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Burkion posted:Tell cop poo poo to stop being in comic poo poo I don’t think I have the authority you seem to think I do. I’ll try though.
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Burkion posted:Tell cop poo poo to stop being in comic poo poo Yeah, as long as comic book movies mostly means super hero movies, and as long as super hero movies mostly involve conflict between "good guys" and "bad guys," this discussion is going to be relevant.
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Everyone posted:Good luck with that. 95% of supers stuff is "These people are the [insert superhero name]. They have to stop [insert supervillain name] from changing the world or otherwise upsetting the current status quo." Sandwolf posted:I don’t think I have the authority you seem to think I do. I’ll try though. Well I suppose we'll just have to keep talking about cop poo poo in the cape poo poo thread
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Burkion posted:Well I suppose we'll just have to keep talking about cop poo poo in the cape poo poo thread my bad, the world is just such an endless pit of misery and frustration I thought it wasn’t a bad thing to have a thread that wasn’t centered around misery and frustration, carry on
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Sandwolf posted:my bad, the world is just such an endless pit of misery and frustration I thought it wasn’t a bad thing to have a thread that wasn’t centered around misery and frustration, carry on I sympathize
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Schwarzwald posted:Yeah, as long as comic book movies mostly means super hero movies, and as long as super hero movies mostly involve conflict between "good guys" and "bad guys," this discussion is going to be relevant. Sin City 3. No good guys to be found there. But seriously, I'm not sure what you mean. Heroes vs. Villains is the hallmark of most fiction, not just superheroes.
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Srice posted:Yea. There's polling out there that has revealed that yeah, if you ask "What should be done with criminals, put them in prison or nothing at all?" people will overwhelmingly say the former. But if you give them a third option for something that doesn't involve imprisonment (like say, community service) then the responses will be a lot more mixed. Public policy also does not in any way relate to public opinion. Governments don’t bother to get a mandate for lowering high tax brackets or increasing military funding or cutting education budgets etc. Consent is manufactured. What does or doesn’t happen with police policy has nothing to do with popularity in a liberal “democracy”
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Sandwolf posted:my bad, the world is just such an endless pit of misery and frustration I thought it wasn’t a bad thing to have a thread that wasn’t centered around misery and frustration, carry on Welcome to the comic book movie thread! Everyone posted:Even accepting all of that as truth, what do you want to do about it? And bear in mind that any solution you propose has to at least be acceptable to a majority (and likely a large majority) of the American populous. The Abolish the Police movement's plan isn't just going straight from 0 to 100. Certain reformist steps such as demilitarizing the police, punishing officers who abuse the public, enlisting mental health professionals with emergency calls, etc. are also pushed for, but they are just band-aids without a broader goal that accounts for the actual purpose of the police. This is why it's crucial that we do not water down our language, in being afraid of turning people off. Body-cameras don't work. Bias trainings don't work. Well, they work in the sense that they let liberals feel less guilty. That said, the U.S. left is certainly in dire straits, but unremitting cynicism is not the answer; this is after all the milquetoast premise of the superhero films we all know and love. So, as the only valid economic/political structure today continues to drive up economic inequality and has us barrelling headfirst towards climate catastrophe, world-historic possibilities will be opened. Depending on what we do in the meantime will determine whether the result will be fascism or socialism.
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NikkolasKing posted:But seriously, I'm not sure what you mean. Heroes vs. Villains is the hallmark of most fiction, not just superheroes. More precisely, superhero stories tend to have good guy vs bad guy conflicts that either map directly to policing criminality or military enforcement (which is another whole thing). Batman films compare/contrast his character against the Gotham police he exists alongside. Superman politely lowers corrupt property developer Lex Luther into prison before thanking the wardens. Spider-man fights the Vulture, who sells laser guns to the local hooligans. There are super hero stories outside of this framework (and comic book stories outside the super hero framework!) but they are mostly an exception.
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KVeezy3 posted:Welcome to the comic book movie thread! Again, I'm with you. It's not like any of this is going to be changed/fixed in the next week or so. Also, cool, don't water down your language. There might come a time for that, for trying to "turn people on" but I don't think that time is here yet. Probably one thing the Abolish the Police movement needs to do is decide what victory looks like. What does the police (or police-like entities) look like when they're done? Create a goal at which to aim. Honestly create many goals at which to aim to avoid burnout. Ah hey, possibly Putin is getting even worse news: https://twitter.com/i/status/1504200059604320257 I admit it, I just love those Downfall meme parodies. Everyone fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 19, 2022 |
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Everyone posted:Ah hey, possibly Putin is getting even worse news: https://twitter.com/i/status/1504200059604320257 This assumes that Putin gives a poo poo about the rest of the world. Like, not to sour the mood after an epic meme burn, but he is a decade+ away from his bunker moment.
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Grendels Dad posted:This assumes that Putin gives a poo poo about the rest of the world. Like, not to sour the mood after an epic meme burn, but he is a decade+ away from his bunker moment. I don't know. If Western news really starts making some inroads and his fellow thugs start seeing their profits/influence waning, Putin might end up retiring to his dacha for
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Everyone posted:I don't know. If Western news really starts making some inroads and his fellow thugs start seeing their profits/influence waning, Putin might end up retiring to his dacha for 1. This might finally not be the thread for this particular derail, 2. lol no
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Grendels Dad posted:1. This might finally not be the thread for this particular derail, Possibly not. Although clearly Mad Vlad presents himself as a bit of a super-villain.
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Everyone posted:Possibly not. Although clearly Mad Vlad presents himself as a bit of a super-villain. Please, I’m begging you, the world is fundamentally different than super hero movies, you must see this
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Everyone posted:Possibly not. Although clearly Mad Vlad presents himself as a bit of a super-villain. Jesus Christ NikkolasKing posted:Sin City 3. No good guys to be found there. Who’s the villain in The Dream of the Red Chamber? Parsifal? The Umbrellas of Cherbourg? American Splendor? Heroes vs villains is the central conflict of adventure stories. “Most fiction” is not adventure stories, and not all adventure stories are about enforcing law and order on an unruly other. Superhero stories are especially reactionary, or when they aren’t they’re still about reaction
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Every criminal caught is a circle of reaction ended. The same goes for oligarchs.
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Sandwolf posted:Please, I’m begging you, the world is fundamentally different than super hero movies, you must see this Of course I do. It's a joke and clearly if any thing Vladimir Putin sees himself as the hero of his story just like most people. It's probably not a "comic book movie" but Turning Red is really cute and sweet and streaming on Disney+
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Saying that something merits being discussed in the comic book movies thread because it streams on Disney+ is ice cold.
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Turning Red is not based on a comic book.
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Grendels Dad posted:Saying that something merits being discussed in the comic book movies thread because it streams on Disney+ is ice cold. It wasn't meant to be that so much as "Hey, since I apparently started us down this Hell-thread of police/Putin horror, let's talk about this really sweet, sensitive funny movie for a bit?"
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As a movie, No Way Home is fine "We have Into the Spider-verse at home" entertainment, but goddamn was I a mark for seeing the three generations together. Almost got teary-eyed at how much of a redemption arc it was for Andrew Garfield and his Peter Parker, and how much it worked as a formal "have fun kid" passing of the torch. EDIT: What I absolutely didn't love was how clear it was that the producers saw his death scene in Infinity War and decided to have Tom cry as much as possible The Modern Leper fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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Well good news for the Comic Book Movie Thread, it looks like the Snyderverse is coming back in full swing. We'll likely know more officially come May. Have fun with that
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I wouldn't bet on it, all we really have are a few cryptic tweets.
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Pirate Jet posted:I wouldn't bet on it, all we really have are a few cryptic tweets. Mind if I quote you later
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Burkion posted:Well good news for the Comic Book Movie Thread, it looks like the Snyderverse is coming back in full swing. We'll likely know more officially come May. Is there actual news, a quick Google just shows more of the typical whining and some stuff about how there was at one point going to be a green lantern movie
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Piell posted:Is there actual news, a quick Google just shows more of the typical whining and some stuff about how there was at one point going to be a green lantern movie We already had a Green Lantern movie or is that Ryan Reynolds film classified as one of the Things Which Shall Not Be Named?
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Everyone posted:We already had a Green Lantern movie or is that Ryan Reynolds film classified as one of the Things Which Shall Not Be Named? Speak its name so they may never repeat its mistakes (Deadpool traveling back in time to kill Ryan Reynolds reading the GL script is a great gag)
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Piell posted:Is there actual news, a quick Google just shows more of the typical whining and some stuff about how there was at one point going to be a green lantern movie There is in the same way there was back when Ben Affleck and co were tweeting about the Snydercut...three years ago now? Two? Time is an abyss. To sum it up- Discovery is taking over Warner in April. They just had a final shareholders meeting back on the 11th about this and what exactly is going to go down- much of that isn't privy to us, of course. But it is indicated that a lot of the current studio heads of WB and people who were tangibly involved in that entire mess are going to be moving on from their positions and replaced. That becomes effective during the merger from April 11th to the 18th. Following the last shareholders meeting, more and more behind the scenes folks involved around the Snydercut have been coming forward- including the actor he cast as Green Lantern for Justice League, sharing a screen cap of his deleted scene with the promise of more to come soon. Zack Snyder himself put out a cryptic tweet last night featuring a quote from his treatment for a sequel to Justice League. Running in tandem with this, steam has been picking up on the Ayercut of Suicide Squad, including Will Smith coming out in support of it. It is easy to discount all of this so far, of course, but that was also true of the Snydercut to begin with. Fool me once, shame on you type of situation. I cannot, of course, proclaim that we ARE getting a new Justice League or anything of that ilk- but I can say I think I know where this is going. I believe the Snyderverse will be kept around- as, it's notable, it still isn't actually *gone*, with James Gunn's Suicide Squad explicitly being a sequel to the last. If Snyder himself directs another film or merely takes a creative standing instead, which is what I think is more likely with him assuming Executive Producer status so he can focus on his own films going forward, is irrelevant to what I believe will happen. They will bring these elements back as their own branding, their own corner of the live action DC universe. One thing they must have learned, the new heads from Discovery taking over, is that DC does well at being diverse. The what if films and the movies tied to a specific universe can co-exist. I think they're going to try to exploit that more effectively compared to the combative stance the current heads have had. Too much of this mirrors the build up of what came before and I think we'll see some repeats going forward.
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I know it's bad form to harp on posting but Everyone is a bog standard lib in their 40s who buys whatever the DNC is selling, you're not going to convince them of anything. Believe me when I say that if someone gets to their middle age and hasn't seen the flaws in the system or quotes Churchill (the best of the worst, basically) they're done, it's part of them now and they aren't going to convert on the road to Damascus (in fact St Paul was 30 when he converted, lol)
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Burkion posted:Mind if I quote you later Go ahead. If I'm wrong, it'll be the tastiest crow I've ever eaten.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I know it's bad form to harp on posting but I bet you're about to. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:but Everyone is a bog standard lib in their 40s Actually Everyone is in their 50s. 53 last August. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:who buys whatever the DNC is selling, you're not going to convince them of anything. I'll own at least part of that. Yes, I mostly go along with the DNC because in our Coke/Pepsi political system, what the RNC sells is usually a far more noxious brew. That said, your "never trust anyone over 30" BS does you no favors. You do grasp that if you really want to change the system on a truly systemic level, you will need the affirmation of plenty of people in their 40s/50s/etc. But you are correct that there are plenty of people who are stuck in the idea that not only can't the system be change but that it shouldn't be changed. But that was also true of slavery and women's right to vote and reproductive freedom (though that's still in peril) and gay marriage. In my lifetime I've seen a Black president, Black female vice-president and gay marriage become the law of the land. I never expected to see any of those. I was wrong and am glad that I was.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Angelina Jolie has said there will be a sequel, but nothing official yet. I'm sure they will get a second movie and even if they don't, then they will work them in to other movies. I'd be content having Eternals be a multiverse story from a different dimension, because I've never been a fan of stories that retcon the entire planet. It's weird to introduce that concept so late in the MCU. I get that it's in the comics, but it just seems bizarre that we've been watching 14 years of all kinds of epic superheroes defending Earth only to suddenly find out it's actually a space egg and we're all just food. You'd think that a complete change in everything we know about history and all of human existence would have a bigger impact on the MCU, but nope!
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sticklefifer posted:I'd be content having Eternals be a multiverse story from a different dimension, because I've never been a fan of stories that retcon the entire planet. It's weird to introduce that concept so late in the MCU. I get that it's in the comics, but it just seems bizarre that we've been watching 14 years of all kinds of epic superheroes defending Earth only to suddenly find out it's actually a space egg and we're all just food. You'd think that a complete change in everything we know about history and all of human existence would have a bigger impact on the MCU, but nope! It is but it's not like this story invalidates anything else that's happened in the mainline MCU. If the MCU learns in Moon Knight that the Moon is really a spaceship (and, in fact, the third Imperial Death Star) it doesn't really change anything else except in terms of going forward. Half the fun of something like the MCU is "discovering" all the "But this really was..." stuff.
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NikkolasKing posted:But seriously, I'm not sure what you mean. Heroes vs. Villains is the hallmark of most fiction, not just superheroes. Heroes vs villains isn’t the hallmark of most fiction unless you exclusively read genre fiction.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Heroes vs villains isn’t the hallmark of most fiction unless you exclusively read genre fiction. Uhh the bible? Greek tragedies? Opera? Knights of old?
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Uhh the bible? Greek tragedies? Opera? Knights of old? That not most fiction. That’s well known fiction. And even then the hero in a Greek tragedy isn’t a hero in the modern superhero sense. Oedipus is a dick who kills his own father over an insult. It’s not a story of cops and bad guys. Neither is the story of Arthur and the Knights or Macbeth or even most of the books in the Bible unless you think collecting a mountain of the foreskins of your slain enemies is basically like Superman. This is exactly what people mean when they say that modern conceptions of heroes just means “a crimefighter, a cop.” Ancient heroes in the past were mythic characters and often if there was a ethical dimension to the story it was generally complicated and the hero often ran afoul of it. They weren’t superpowered police. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Uhh the bible? Greek tragedies? Opera? Knights of old? who are the hero and villain of the bible?
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