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A.o.D. posted:lol how the gently caress did he survive that Stalin had had so many high ranking officers killed he didn't really have any to spare at that point. Rokossovsky was even yanked out of prison (where he had been tortured for three years) and made a colonel because they needed someone competent to go fight in Bessarabia. The military of the Soviet Union was all kinds of F'd up in 1940.
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The one time they hit what they were aiming for. Christ.
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FrozenVent posted:The one time they hit what they were aiming for. Christ. Hey, they could have been aiming for the church, or the residential blocks, or the shops.
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Mar 19, 2022 21:39
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Looking at that, and burned out apartment blocks, and all the usual Russian atrocities I keep thinking that Putin had changed the Ukrainian relationship with Russia from "yeah, the Russians are our redneck cousins that start bar fights sometimes" to a mortal enemy that will cause two generations to spit whenever Russia is mentioned. Just such a stupid, pointless loving move.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Stalin had had so many high ranking officers killed he didn't really have any to spare at that point. Rokossovsky was even yanked out of prison (where he had been tortured for three years) and made a colonel because they needed someone competent to go fight in Bessarabia. Didn't zhukov get purged too or am I thinking of rokossovsky
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Milo and POTUS posted:Didn't zhukov get purged too or am I thinking of rokossovsky
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A.o.D. posted:Updated theater photo. Top right watermark, it's from Maxar, civilan satellite photography. Them and Planet Labs are good at their job
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stealie72 posted:Looking at that, and burned out apartment blocks, and all the usual Russian atrocities I keep thinking that Putin had changed the Ukrainian relationship with Russia from "yeah, the Russians are our redneck cousins that start bar fights sometimes" to a mortal enemy that will cause two generations to spit whenever Russia is mentioned. I mean you have both idiot alt-righters and leftists claiming literally right now that Russia was forced to do this. The disinformation on Russia's behalf seems to only be gaining. Hell my local Nextdoor was full of people claiming that Ukraine forced Russia into this.
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A.o.D. posted:Zhukov got sidelined after the war because his success made him too popular. He managed to avoid getting purged and was a player in the post-Stalin power grab, and had personal reasons to participate in Beria's takedown. He did eventually get purged, but into a forced retirement rather than an unmarked grave. Zhukov was always the one guy who could say or do whatever, like I don’t think anyone else in the top Soviet circles could just openly tell Stalin off which he did when Stalin wanted him to meet him at some long table weird shaped chair dictator’s office setup.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:I might misreamember, but I recall reading somewhere that logistics tended to be one of the few strong points of near east Arabic militaries, because it was a dead end from a promotion perspective. lol i would have picked Semyon Budyonny as the biggest sack of poo poo
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ISW is declaring the Russian offensive a failure and says they can either dig in and regroup, or be forced to rule over a smoldering pile of rubble if they have the endurance for a war of attrition. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-19 quote:Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war. That campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine. That campaign has culminated. Russian forces continue to make limited advances in some parts of the theater but are very unlikely to be able to seize their objectives in this way. The doctrinally sound Russian response to this situation would be to end this campaign, accept a possibly lengthy operational pause, develop the plan for a new campaign, build up resources for that new campaign, and launch it when the resources and other conditions are ready. The Russian military has not yet adopted this approach. It is instead continuing to feed small collections of reinforcements into an ongoing effort to keep the current campaign alive. We assess that that effort will fail. psydude fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Mar 19, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1505326739131613184?s=20&t=LOAv3aA3U-lWBTbKX0jGAQ Always a good sign when you're fielding random one off prototypes
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:
Didn't the Russians kind of do this when they bounced from Afghanistan? If I remember correctly (what I was told) they were just dropping any mines they had, experimental, still in research, anything and everything.
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Wrong Theory posted:Didn't the Russians kind of do this when they bounced from Afghanistan? If I remember correctly (what I was told) they were just dropping any mines they had, experimental, still in research, anything and everything. I swear at this point they’re probably gonna throw out that one T 14 and it’s gonna get nailed by a javelin or just get over turned on a bridge.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I swear at this point they’re probably gonna throw out that one T 14 and it’s gonna get nailed by a javelin or just get over turned on a bridge. My money's on "just randomly catches on fire because some mud gets in the turbine air intake."
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psydude posted:ISW is declaring the Russian offensive a failure and says they can either dig in and regroup, or be forced to rule over a smoldering pile of rubble if they have the endurance for a war of attrition. That's a pretty big deal. These aren't Twitter randos saying this. They can obviously still be wrong, but it's a pretty bad sign for Putin.
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EasilyConfused posted:That's a pretty big deal. These aren't Twitter randos saying this. They can obviously still be wrong, but it's a pretty bad sign for Putin. Their sources, though, are primarily the Ukraine Ministry of Defense, which is a biased source. I think they're right, though, that Russia hasn't been able to achieve their initial goals and that if Russia does eventually win the war of attrition (they likely will unless they stop themselves) they'll rule over a pile a rubble.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Their sources, though, are primarily the Ukraine Ministry of Defense, which is a biased source. They very well may consider that a feature rather than a bug.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I swear at this point they’re probably gonna throw out that one T 14 and it’s gonna get nailed by a javelin or just get over turned on a bridge. I'm beginning to think that the Russian method of bridging involves filling the channel with sunk armor.
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Arrath posted:I'm beginning to think that the Russian method of bridging involves filling the channel with sunk armor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I swear at this point they’re probably gonna throw out that one T 14 and it’s gonna get nailed by a javelin or just get over turned on a bridge. gonna wind up on cinderblocks and graffitied
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Mr. Nice! posted:Their sources, though, are primarily the Ukraine Ministry of Defense, which is a biased source. Sure, but it's not like they're taking it uncritically. It's just that there isn't much in terms of official statements on battlefield details coming out from the other side.
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mlmp08 posted:This twitter account routinely posts bullshit. that account, nexta, and euromaidanpr all have zero standards about what they'll put out. That's obviously not to say they're always wrong, but anything from them in particular needs a massive flashing 'disregard until confirmed elsewhere' banner.
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also ilia in particular seems to mostly get stuff pushed through him that kiev independent doesn't want their name on because of presumably some remaining editorial standards
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Russians bridging with armor wrecks is nothing new; t-34 had ”bridging” variants which Were exactly this- drive it into the river and build the bridge on top.
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EasilyConfused posted:Sure, but it's not like they're taking it uncritically. It's just that there isn't much in terms of official statements on battlefield details coming out from the other side. Apparently they also reference the releases from the DPR and LPR, but I'm not sure how frequent or detailed those are
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Mr. Nice! posted:Their sources, though, are primarily the Ukraine Ministry of Defense, which is a biased source. Reiterating the previous posts to keep in mind sources of information and possible bias. That said, there was a paragraph in that blog post that was a little unsettling (and also not unexpected): The Russian military is increasing its aerial, missile, and artillery bombardment of populated Ukrainian areas as its conventional mechanized advances culminate.[6] Russia announced the use of its Kinzhal hypersonic missile to strike an ammunition depot in Ivano-Frankivsk on March 18.[7] The use of such an expensive, rare, and high-end system to hit an ammunition depot was likely signaling and demonstrating intent and capability to escalate rather than seeking to achieve a concrete military objective. The Kinzhal is a dual-use missile that can carry a nuclear payload, although the one used in Ukraine bore a conventional high-explosive payload.[8] Its use likely signaled Moscow’s willingness to consider using low-yield nuclear weapons in addition to demonstrating the capability to use hypersonic weapons. Additional update: There's some speculation that Russia's claim of its use of the Kinzhal missile isnt all its cracked up to be. ArmyGroup303 fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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Valtonen posted:Russians bridging with armor wrecks is nothing new; t-34 had ”bridging” variants which Were exactly this- drive it into the river and build the bridge on top. ...did, did they get to leave?
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Anyone else start watching Servant of the People yet? It’s back on Netflix.
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Alan Smithee posted:im curious how well the humor translates Some of it translates very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89VI_4KRqKk
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OK he’s just been told he’s President and they’re showing reactions from other leaders around the world including people still in power(dubbing over stock footage) and it’s really meta and weird, and of course entirely unintentional.
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Valtonen posted:Russians bridging with armor wrecks is nothing new; t-34 had ”bridging” variants which Were exactly this- drive it into the river and build the bridge on top. Oh wow
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Valtonen posted:Russians bridging with armor wrecks is nothing new; t-34 had ”bridging” variants which Were exactly this- drive it into the river and build the bridge on top. That's not a Russia thing that's a total war, fully mobilized economy and churning out as much materiel as you need thing. Attached US training video on using Sherman tanks as bridge props refers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yu5FBMLXkk&t=1004s for period training video.
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Reading Arc Light based on either this, or the GiP news thread’s recommendations. You know, this book is really loving terrifying. I just can’t get some of those descriptions of being at ground zero of nuclear hellfire out of my head. One night I couldn’t sleep.. because of a book! At least the threat of nuclear war isn’t as high now as it used to be in the 80s.
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Apart from the obvious high-profile pieces of vaporware that have yet to show up (Su-57, T-14), I'm assuming there's plenty of Russian gear we'd love to get our hands on and tear down for intel, right? Or is most of this poo poo we've already bought through intermediaries?
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Blind Rasputin posted:Reading Arc Light based on either this, or the GiP news thread’s recommendations. You know, this book is really loving terrifying. I just can’t get some of those descriptions of being at ground zero of nuclear hellfire out of my head. One night I couldn’t sleep.. because of a book! At least the threat of nuclear war isn’t as high now as it used to be in the 80s. Don't watch the movie 'threads'. Just...don't.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Reading Arc Light based on either this, or the GiP news thread’s recommendations. You know, this book is really loving terrifying. I just can’t get some of those descriptions of being at ground zero of nuclear hellfire out of my head. One night I couldn’t sleep.. because of a book! At least the threat of nuclear war isn’t as high now as it used to be in the 80s. Yeah, the research Harry did for the book was really well done. Invasion is like he wrote it on coke. Trashy and silly fun.
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Not to derail so last thing I’ll say about the book, but yeah the author obviously did a ton of research. I, however, don’t imagine generals, when talking, would list off like fifty bases to a person when asked what was damaged. That keeps feeling kind of forced just to show the level of research.
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