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Cardiac posted:Eh, also an actual professor. Collapsing Farts posted:so many people didnt give the slightest gently caress about the pandemic in sweden V. Illych L. posted:because we move a lot between polities with independent pandemic response levels and all it takes is for the goddamn dutch to slip up for a couple of weeks to lock all of europe down again evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Mar 17, 2022 09:29
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Collapsing Farts posted:so many people didnt give the slightest gently caress about the pandemic in sweden It's over, don't you know? Perhaps it never even was...
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Mar 17, 2022 11:28
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Collapsing Farts posted:so many people didnt give the slightest gently caress about the pandemic in sweden The government really didn't inspire people to be careful and I'm sure that didn't help. For example, Lövfen telling people not to go out xmas-shopping the was they used to and a couple of days later when he was caught xmas-shopping in a busy store was a really bad look.
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Mar 17, 2022 11:42
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Just met up with an otherwise healthy, fully vaccinated 27-year-old friend who had her lungs so badly mangled by a bout of covid that she is now functionally asthmatic. Just like sometimes happens when you get the flu, y'know? Really sucks that there is absolutely no way to prevent this from happening.
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Mar 17, 2022 13:34
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Just met up with an otherwise healthy, fully vaccinated 27-year-old friend who had her lungs so badly mangled by a bout of covid that she is now functionally asthmatic. Just like sometimes happens when you get the flu, y'know? Better than that 26-year-old pregnant woman who died because she listened to Sundhedsstyrelsen about the vaccines, even though other countries had been recommending it for months, and then the hospital forgot to notify the family, I guess.
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Mar 17, 2022 13:55
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SplitSoul posted:Sundhedsstyrelsen I thought that was like Strålskyddsstiftelsen, but for vaccines
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Mar 17, 2022 15:31
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Migrationsverket was taken by suprprise by the number of refugee's they have to take care of https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/11-000-flyktingar-registrerade-hittills-extraordinart-lage It's amazing how this always happens Kamrat fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 17, 2022 |
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Mar 17, 2022 21:10
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They're cutting 2 billion in aid to Africa to finance Ukrainian refugees, because of course they are.
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Mar 18, 2022 03:46
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SplitSoul posted:They're cutting 2 billion in aid to Africa to finance Ukrainian refugees, because of course they are. Helping more when the need increases? Are you insane?! We can not afford that! Look here in The Budget, a thing that can never be amended (except when giving money to försvaret, car owners, house owners and corporations).
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Mar 18, 2022 07:24
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Also, it's only possible to cut expenses, increasing revenue is impossible. This is especially infuriating when property taxes have been hollowed out for years because they've been locked at 2001 property levels or so. And now they're gonna update the values but keep the total revenue the same as last year by lowering the tax rate.
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Mar 18, 2022 07:36
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Why do refugees go to Sweden when Norway is right there
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Mar 18, 2022 08:41
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Collapsing Farts posted:Why do refugees go to Sweden when Norway is right there Sweden is easier to get to, it's like a wall between Norway and the rest of Europe, you can take a boat directly to Sweden from Poland. But I agree with you, If I had a choice I'd rather go to Norway than Sweden.
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Mar 18, 2022 09:03
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lol that svt is trying to be the bbc wrt the trans debate
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Mar 18, 2022 09:20
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endocriminologist posted:lol that svt is trying to be the bbc wrt the trans debate It's really depressing to witness how terfism grows stronger in Scandinavia. People are seriously arguing about trans people in bathrooms here.
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Mar 18, 2022 11:37
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In Sweden there's an attempt by certain parts of the media to make trans exclusion (feminist or not) an issue but it doesn't really seem to be getting any traction. The actual TERFs are limited to organisations like Gardet who are an absolute shitshow of internal drama and have no cachet outside of their own tiny bubble
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I don’t want to diminish a threat like transphobia in Sweden, is by comparison to US/UK brainworms, but yes, from my experience, terfs here seem more messy in a childish way. Other types of transphobes, however - Still don’t like SVT entangling themselves with them. teen witch fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Mar 18, 2022 11:56
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Beeswax posted:The actual TERFs are limited to organisations like Gardet who are an absolute shitshow of internal drama and have no cachet outside of their own tiny bubble In Norway the terfs are associated with WDI and it's maddening that everyone is too polite to point out how batshit insane that organisation is. Like, one of their core beliefs is that porn hypnotize people into being trans and they're still taken seriously by the media.
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Mar 18, 2022 16:18
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Lol@Littorin letting the mask slip all the way revealing a good ol racist.
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Mar 18, 2022 16:26
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https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/m-kommer-ansoka-om-natomedlemskap If Moderaterna (and their lapdogs) wins a majority they will force us all to join NATO, like there wasn't reason enough not to vote for them.
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Mar 18, 2022 19:09
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Kamrat posted:https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/m-kommer-ansoka-om-natomedlemskap Like you were ever considering that in any case. You ( and this thread) are not their target demographic. Also, at this point we are basically one step away from S always being in favor of NATO instead of always opposed. As always in Swedish politics, when there is a major course direction in Swedish politics, things can go quite fast.
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Mar 18, 2022 19:17
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Cardiac posted:Like you were ever considering that in any case. But does all M-voters want to join NATO? I think this will have a chance of splitting the party, I don't know if it's enough to make a dent however. Edit: Not splitting as in breaking, I meant people voting for someone else and a lot of internal debates
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Even SD seem to be in favor of joining now so where are those voters going to go?
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Feliday Melody posted:I once saw a flowchart of the whole Swedish military. And the Home guard companies made it look like someone was playing solitaire in the corner because numbers wise the home guard is so huge compared to the rest of the military. But I can't find that chart online. Found it. 
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jeebus bob posted:Even SD seem to be in favor of joining now so where are those voters going to go? Well, L needs votes to stay in the game, maybe if they came out strongly against the idea or something. Not that I believe that will happen mind you.
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Kamrat posted:But does all M-voters want to join NATO? I think this will have a chance of splitting the party, I don't know if it's enough to make a dent however. It’ll probably pick up a lot of S voters who want to join NATO so it’ll likely be a net positive for M
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Has anyone talked about doing more to stop the spread of disinformation such as banning pro-Putin extreme left-wing parties in solidarity with Ukraine yet? I'm an old school lefty from way back but Europe and our liberal democratic values are under attack and we should be united against Putin. Unfortunately Putin has hijacked certain talking points that are popular in extremist left-wing circles so I think it makes sense to temporarily, as a precaution, to restrict certain political activity for a few potentially pro-Putin parties until the authorities can figure out which left-wing parties are actively spreading Russian disinformation and stop it. It doesn't have to be a big deal. The authorities should just make sure that they aren't aiding or abetting "the enemy" so to speak. No one wants this less than me, I'm a Marxist but until the invasion by a fascist imperial power has been repelled and the attacks stop I think it would be a reasonable proactive thing to do considering the situation in Europe right now. Sweden created a new Psychological Defense Agency to protect Sweden from foreign dis- and misinformation attacks but right now I feel like they and other government agencies are losing the battle. The agencies can only do so much when they have to cover so much space on the internet with so few people. Just look at what happened in the United States. We should be doing and we have a duty to do more to combat fake news and foreign interference.
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ted hitler hunter posted:Has anyone talked about doing more to stop the spread of disinformation such as banning pro-Putin extreme left-wing parties in solidarity with Ukraine yet?
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ted hitler hunter posted:Has anyone talked about doing more to stop the spread of disinformation such as banning pro-Putin extreme left-wing parties in solidarity with Ukraine yet? If this isn't actually a bit or SYQ, I'm personally a thousands times more worried about people like you than anybody parroting Putin speeches. Unfortunately, something similar is already law in Denmark and punishable by up to 12 years in prison. https://danskelove.dk/straffeloven/108
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No worries, I’m sure all leftists will still be there after the war and not, let’s say, purged https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1505250554141986817?s=21
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NATO being problematic should be basically uncontroversial, even if it's a talking point that Putin very much encourages. It's just complicated because both Russia and NATO are bad at the same time, even if they are opposed.
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I am suspicious as hell of Pro-Russia leftists. Even if you're a die hard tankie, you would still consider Putin as a usurper that pretty much dismantled all traces of socialism in Russia.
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Feliday Melody posted:I am suspicious as hell of Pro-Russia leftists. I honestly believe it's a conflation of anti imperialism and anti Americanism. Opposing American cultural hegemony is a good cause, but you can't just assume that anyone who shares that goal is an ally. Especially if it's a literal fascist state like Russia (or China).
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The take I really don't understand is the "by defending their country, the Ukrainians are only prolonging the suffering". It's literally an autocratic imperialist nation invading another sovereign nation, it's a textbook example of a justified defensive war.
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KozmoNaut posted:The take I really don't understand is the "by defending their country, the Ukrainians are only prolonging the suffering". Inversely, I don't understand the "By funneling small arms into an unwinnable war, we're allowing Ukraine to obtain a better position in peace negations" take. The opposite could just as easily be true, they may have to surrender on worse terms once the dust of their cities settle, Bellingcat-sourced mega hi-scores notwithstanding. Similarly, having been at least somewhat politically conscious during the conclusion of Chechnya, the assumption that Russia will be sent slinking back to its own territory if you take out some tanks—it's a different kind of fight, sure, but hardly immaterial in terms of capability or how far they're willing to go. Whether it's justified has no bearing on how it will realistically progress and for my part, I'd just like to see fewer dead Ukrainian civilians. But perhaps we are straying too far from the subject of crushing dissent, Putin style, in Scandinavia.
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SplitSoul posted:Inversely, I don't understand the "By funneling small arms into an unwinnable war, we're allowing Ukraine to obtain a better position in peace negations" take.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:We've already established that not everyone accepts the premise of the war being unwinnable. I do understand that position, though, I just find it hilariously divorced from reality and unworthy of serious engagement.
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Mar 20, 2022 21:19
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As long as the people doing the fighting believes as much it is reality.
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People should to be able to defend their homeland against imperialist aggression, to the very best of their ability and with all the help they can get. The Ukrainians have shown again and again that they intend to fight hard to protect their sovereignty. Considering the very likely consequences if Putin gets his way, I understand why. The longer they hold out against Putin, the worse his position is, because he's overextending the Russian forces and (hopefully) causing widespread dissent due to the generally worsening conditions in Russia. E: And what's the alternative? Rolling over and giving up? KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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MiddleOne posted:As long as the people doing the fighting believes as much it is reality. If they really believe it in their hearts, they can win? KozmoNaut posted:People should to be able to defend their homeland against imperialist aggression, to the very best of their ability and with all the help they can get. The Ukrainians have shown again and again that they intend to fight hard to protect their sovereignty. I don't disagree, but having the right and having the capability are two entirely different things. I've never contested the first one. Do you see widespread popular dissent toppling Putin forthcoming? How much time do you figure it will require compared to a military victory? Conceding entails some form of giving up, but I think the question is how much rolling is involved.
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