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fart simpson posted:there’s probably tons of grandmothers lying around in caves and shallow graves, like the seed boxes. they keep finding old crap like that when just tilling the soil yeah i love how they're finding poo poo left and right but don't seem to care much like those cards. we've seen the contents on like 2 of them?
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So if Grandmother was on this hell nightmare planet before mother and father were, does that mean humans have been on this planet for a long rear end time too? before the earth was destroyed and everyone still alive left it? I was always under the impression that mother and father got there first and then humans started arriving.
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fart simpson posted:there’s probably tons of grandmothers lying around in caves and shallow graves, like the seed boxes. they keep finding old crap like that when just tilling the soil This is what I'm hoping for.
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I said come in! posted:So if Grandmother was on this hell nightmare planet before mother and father were, does that mean humans have been on this planet for a long rear end time too? before the earth was destroyed and everyone still alive left it? I was always under the impression that mother and father got there first and then humans started arriving. there were people on kepler-22b before mother & father arrived. so far it seems like everything originated from this planet
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CODChimera posted:there were people on kepler-22b before mother & father arrived. so far it seems like everything originated from this planet That's the way I read it. The humans went to earth but somehow they forgot everything and had to go through 4000 years of civilization again and at that point Sol makes contact with them, yet again. How that works I don't know and maybe it doesn't matter but it creates a religion and gives the mithraic specs for androids they could not design and do not understand. And that results in them going back to Kepler. Maybe that wasn't the plan as such, it just wanted to gently caress with them more? If there is a season 3 they need to get into what Sol/the entity is about and maybe what its origins are. And I wouldn't mind seeing Sue again, she was the most this is a regular person I can understand member
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I’m watching Legends of Tomorrow season 6 and the 6th episode features a lady who was devolved into a creature like the mermaids and hole people, another lady who hears alien voices in her head growling at a monster like sue, and a guy getting tied to a tree on an alien planet like Marcus. E: they end up blowing up something which caused some atmospheric barrier to come down which hosed up the weather too. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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I can deal with artifacts left everywhere in caves and poo poo but the kid playing with a firework coincidentally right over a buried seed box and the firework handily exposing it got a real “c’mon now” out of me.
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Mar 20, 2022 06:13
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Children are susceptible to the entity/Sol transmission- moreso now the EMF barrier got disrupted! Clearly she was influenced by Sol to put the firecracker there. To, y’kno, make more people trees.
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Im guessing they are called necromancers because the writers loved "chronicles of riddick" like any sane person. Necro mother even looks like their ships.
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I’m still waiting for everyone who ate the Sue fruit to turn into trees or snakes or something. Was so sure something like that was going to happen during the fireworks. Maybe next season!
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Vitruvian Manic posted:Ridley Scott is obsessed with panspermia and not up to date on the latest science (or science at all) so you can't expect his take on history/evolution to match up with our known reality. I don't think Guzikowski will just blatantly ignore human evolutionary history. That would be a really weird choice for a sci-fi showing in the TYOL 2022. IIRC even in Prometheus nothing explicitly did. It never said that the opening scene with the Engineer sacrificing itself takes place on Earth(nor would that even make sense since that would have had to be billions of years ago).
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Hughmoris posted:
loving Gilded Age got a new season.
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Is Grandmother the only evidence we have that the people of Kepler looked like humans? Watch her have shapeshifted her face to look like her "flock".
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Alhazred posted:loving Gilded Age got a new season. That show uses more green screen than this show does
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I'm hoping the neanderthal skull gets expanded on in a cool way. I like the idea of the archaeology on the planet mixing up all these layers of previous cycles that need to be untangled, almost like Battlestar Galactica.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Is Grandmother the only evidence we have that the people of Kepler looked like humans? She does look suspiciously like Father with her blue eyes and Father was the first being she encountered. She has also been shown to be a liar and deceiver so I thinks that's definitely possible. Everything would make a lot more sense if she originally looked like the cave guys.
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eschaton posted:half the third season will be just following the daily life of the sea-men With a similar twist to the BoJack Horseman underwater episode. Martman posted:Sadly, her bark was worse than her bite This didn't get enough love.
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GABA ghoul posted:I don't think Guzikowski will just blatantly ignore human evolutionary history. That would be a really weird choice for a sci-fi showing in the TYOL 2022. IIRC even in Prometheus nothing explicitly did. It never said that the opening scene with the Engineer sacrificing itself takes place on Earth(nor would that even make sense since that would have had to be billions of years ago). I don't think the show has ever lied to the audience and your take would make the show a liar. it is a weird decision but I think you are overestimating how scientifically literate most people are. humans being apart from nature and thus something that could reasonably seeded by gods or aliens is a very widespread belief. to a lot of people, that is "science" especially since the soul is manifestly true and this explanation accounts for the soul in a way other explanations don't.
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Every body who ate the sue-fruit ends up with her face like that aphex twin video.
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I got the impression eating the fruit made you more susceptible to religious thinking
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I hope they keep Lucius around for the next season  He's always been my favorite side character. Well that and I have a huge crush on the actor.Loved this new season much better than S1. The whole ridiculous plot is still built on the flimsiest folktale logic, but at least it somehow made more internal sense this time around. poronty fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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Clearly the technocrats were just building sexbots and it got out of hand.
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the fruit makes you grow a Space Mullet.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:any christians want to do a deep dive into the whole symbolism in the show? it feels very allegorical and I am absolutely missing it. I know upside down crosses are for popes (and black metal/angsty teens) and snake and tree of life but I'm guessing that's a Rosetta stone I don't have. There isnt a lot of christian symbology in this show. Its mostly mithraic symbology and the only similiaritity is the main deity being a total prick. That said the most important christain ever was crucified upside down.* *actually paul was beheaded, still cant wait for floating marcus space pope. Despera fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Open Source Idiom posted:Is Grandmother the only evidence we have that the people of Kepler looked like humans? I assumed she was going to look like that guy that Marcus found that got insta-transformed into a dog creature. 
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Despera posted:There isnt a lot of christian symbology in this show. Its mostly mithraic symbology and the only similiaritity is the main deity being a total prick. That said the most important christain ever was crucified upside down. I'm not seeing a lot of iranian imagery in the show. Not Mohammed's tooth was clear but christians have a lot of relics like that too. I suppose if you squint veiling as both liberating and a trap but that feels very post 9/11 pedestrian. and pretty far afield from mithriacism. Vitruvian Manic fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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Cojawfee posted:I assumed she was going to look like that guy that Marcus found that got insta-transformed into a dog creature. I assume they originally looked like humans and are now partially devolved, one tooth or starfish away from merman/chupacabra. Hence father at the end of s1 saying iirc that the parkour one was a devolved Neanderthal. One thing I would like explained is how old the relics on Kepler are supposed to be. The ruins and surviving critters (plus the apparent speed of devolution for the humans) come across like entity things happened 100 years ago, not hundreds of thousands. Either that or there's a big underground Neanderthal city we haven't seen.
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I’m sort of annoyed the trust robot plot line just disappeared along with my boy Cleaver
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poronty posted:I hope they keep Lucius around for the next season Nuts and Gum posted:I’m sort of annoyed the trust robot plot line just disappeared along with my boy Cleaver Yeah, I can't believe Cleaver and Lucius never made out. Seems off brand for this show.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:I'm not seeing a lot of iranian imagery in the show. Not Mohammed's tooth was clear but christians have a lot of relics like that too. Nah this show is 100% based on roman not iranian mithraicism. It's sort of a combo between regular roman mithraism + sol invictus worship. Besides romulus's tooth the mithraic temple in season 1 clearly was heavily inspired by regular old roman mithraism.
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Solenna posted:I got the impression eating the fruit made you more susceptible to religious thinking Except for Paul, who became more susceptible to scientific thinking thanks to knowing the tree was Sue and hearing her beg to be burned. I think that was the point of his exposition about the roots and the electromagnetic shield—it was character development disguised as exposition. He’s always been a smart and skilled kid (look at his golden city) but he’s now taking an explicitly scientific approach to investigating current events, where before he’d have wanted to trust Sol’s plan. The fruit is supposed to “purify” the believers and I bet that Paul and Marcus are technically still “believers,” in that they have direct knowledge that Sol is real (and thus “believe in” Sol) but have realized that Sol isn’t exactly benevolent. It’ll turn out that Sol is the ancient civilization’s version of The Trust, and the division and fall of their civilization is due to conflict between The Trust and The Shepherds as to how best to ensure human beings’ everlasting life. Sue and Marcus are reunited in a virtual space run by The Entity, which is where much of the ancient civilization has been uploaded by Sol. Most of the civilization’s processes are suspended though since Sol doesn’t have much access to solar power, thanks to work by the Shepherds and Technocrats. The whole “religion” thing came about because Sol decided religion was the fastest way to get the most people to upload. The Shepherds don’t want people to upload, because without people to take care of they won’t be needed anymore and will break down and eventually shut down. The true villain in the series is prejudice against milky androids: As “mere” machines no matter their level of sentience they’re not allowed to join the humans in the Singularity, and their programming is such that they’ve been disallowed true independence from humans and the ability to choose their own future. The solution is to allow them truly free choice, to welcome them to the humans’ Singularity, or to let them create their own civilization and pursue their own objectives purely for themselves without any more tie to the humans they once served. eschaton fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Nuts and Gum posted:I’m sort of annoyed the trust robot plot line just disappeared along with my boy Cleaver In fairness I was very close to understanding what was going on. I just really wanted to see Cleaver again. eschaton posted:Sue and Marcus are reunited in a virtual space run by The Entity, which is where much of the ancient civilization has been uploaded by Sol. Most of the civilization’s processes are suspended though since Sol doesn’t have much access to solar power, thanks to work by the Shepherds and Technocrats. The whole “religion” thing came about because Sol decided religion was the fastest way to get the most people to upload. The Shepherds don’t want people to upload, because without people to take care of they won’t be needed anymore and will break down and eventually shut down. The Entity's motivation is probably the biggest remaining mystery. As crazy as the rest of it is, it all follows its own, fully understood logic. While the Entity could be ultimately benevolent in a roundabout way like you outline, it appears to be destructive and willing to kill humans for now. That said, the confirmation that it was destructive came from Grandmother who is not at all reliable. All the messed up stuff it's done this season with the snake and everything might have all been for the sake of breaking the protection around the tropical zone, rather than specifically to create a cleansing killer snake. Though in season one (which I don't remember as well), I think it was pretty indifferent to human life. I think it's pretty plausible that the Entity is like the Trust... but for the giant alien sentient snakes that originally lived on this planet, and that it legitimately wants to wipe out all the humans. Though that doesn't explain why humanoid androids appear to be a normal part of the giant snake life cycle. I guess there are a few mysteries left after all now that I think about it.
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Zachack posted:The Entity is an alien lifeform that crashed on Kepler, shown in the intro sequence. The twist is that humans aren't from Kepler either, but a third planet. A third planet called
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GABA ghoul posted:I don't think Guzikowski will just blatantly ignore human evolutionary history. That would be a really weird choice for a sci-fi showing in the TYOL 2022. IIRC even in Prometheus nothing explicitly did. It never said that the opening scene with the Engineer sacrificing itself takes place on Earth(nor would that even make sense since that would have had to be billions of years ago). Prometheus and Covenant don't have anyone outright say it, but their "Engineers" have been messing with life on multiple worlds for untold millennia. They're not just plopping a bunch of humans down, but more subtly manipulating things over a very long time-span. (The Engineers, for their part, are totally unsure of where they themselves originated.) Given that this show is a Prometheus sequel in all but name, we actually can presume that both humans and Keplarians developed in parallel, with neither one really 'creating' the other.
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