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HootTheOwl posted:Nobody plays tribal decks anymore, there's too much Plague Engineer! the only downside of the lurrus ban is that plague engineer is now modern legal again.
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flatluigi posted:shutting down mtgo is maybe the top thing after removing the reserve list that would get people so upset at wotc that they genuinely would never touch the game again Most people I know who play are anti reserve list
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Mar 21, 2022 08:23
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ilmucche posted:Most people I know who play are anti reserve list the reserve list sucks and it's terrible for the state of gameplay that there's a low, finite amount of extremely important game pieces out there. i would also like it to go away that still doesn't stop there being a chunk of people who think it's extremely important those cards keep their value and are ready to sue wotc if they ever move in that direction + it'd generally destabilize that whole card economy even if/when wotc wins the suit things can both be a good idea and a loaded gun at the same time
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Mar 21, 2022 08:32
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There are like half a dozen people who want the reserved list, but they have a lot of money
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Mar 21, 2022 08:41
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Killing the reserved list will inevitably happen and herald the end of MTG. Even though they'll only break the reserved list glass when MTG is about to die anyways.
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Mar 21, 2022 13:40
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HootTheOwl posted:Killing the reserved list will inevitably happen and herald the end of MTG. I immediately thought of how a star burns through its hydrogen and helium then starts burning through heavier elements right before it goes kaboom.
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Mar 21, 2022 14:08
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oh noes my Magic: The Gathering investment portfolio I'M RUINED I WILL SUE YOU FOR THIS
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Mar 21, 2022 14:26
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Reserved list masters paper run when Like what would people even complain about if it was a supplementary set? It'd sell an obscene amount if it wasn't a short print run
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Mar 21, 2022 14:32
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Reynold posted:oh noes my Magic: The Gathering investment portfolio I'M RUINED I WILL SUE YOU FOR THIS YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON FUNGAL BLOOM! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!
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Mar 21, 2022 14:34
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HootTheOwl posted:Nobody plays tribal decks anymore, there's too much Plague Engineer! Fury is the real thing keeping decks like Elves in check I think.
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Mar 21, 2022 14:34
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Also, if nobody plays tribal because plague engineer, then you just have to wait until people stop playing plague engineer because nobody plays tribal! Then you can tribal all over FNM until people sigh and put their plague engineers back in the sideboard. It helps to have a second deck though.
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Mar 21, 2022 14:45
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one of the things that most annoys me about the reserved list is that its not just "no reprints of this card ever" but they dont allow for functional reprints of cards that would be perfectly good to include in standard. Like Desertion https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=416864 or Thunder Spirit https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=159318 like ok you dont want to reprint underground sea but how about giving me my dumb mirage rares
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Mar 21, 2022 16:00
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A Moose posted:Also, if nobody plays tribal because plague engineer, then you just have to wait until people stop playing plague engineer because nobody plays tribal! Then you can tribal all over FNM until people sigh and put their plague engineers back in the sideboard. It helps to have a second deck though. Ah, the dredge cycle.
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Mar 21, 2022 16:04
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The Nastier Nate posted:one of the things that most annoys me about the reserved list is that its not just "no reprints of this card ever" but they dont allow for functional reprints of cards that would be perfectly good to include in standard. At least they're experimenting with ways around that, like Echo of Eons in Modern Horizons.
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Mar 21, 2022 16:06
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If you think WW1 first strike 2/2 flier is relevant in today's limited environment, wizards is doing you a favour by not reprinting it.
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Mar 21, 2022 16:26
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hey, thunder sprit is probably a solid c level common in a modern core set
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Mar 21, 2022 16:36
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kalel posted:hey, thunder sprit is probably a solid c level common in a modern core set Vanilla Wind Drake has been less and less relevant every set that goes by, making one harder to cast for first strike puts it at like D+
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Mar 21, 2022 16:45
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A Moose posted:Also, if nobody plays tribal because plague engineer, then you just have to wait until people stop playing plague engineer because nobody plays tribal! People will never stop to play tribal, even with plague engineer around. It's like Jund or UW control, there will always be people trying to play these strategies, even when they are terrible decks. YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Mar 21, 2022 17:03
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Lone Goat posted:If you think WW1 first strike 2/2 flier is relevant in today's limited environment, wizards is doing you a favour by not reprinting it. First strike is pretty big game though, especially on defence. Like Wind Drake (and it's counterpart Phantom Monster) are both pretty medium, but it doesn't take a whole lot to make them good. Think Pegasus Courser in M19
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Mar 21, 2022 17:04
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Fury is the real thing keeping decks like Elves in check I think. Nah. A good tribal deck should have An Out to a wrath (which is fury's ceiling). But also Elves just doesn't have an answer to Engineer or Fury, or anything really. I'd say of the five tribal decks in Modern it's the bottom. It's not as versitile as Zombies, it can't grind like Goblins, It can't control like Humans, and it can't tempo like Fish. Also, all of those easily beat a Fury.
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Mar 21, 2022 17:11
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I mean, did Aerial Responder see any play outside maybe Limited?
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The Nastier Nate posted:one of the things that most annoys me about the reserved list is that its not just "no reprints of this card ever" but they dont allow for functional reprints of cards that would be perfectly good to include in standard. Good news about Desertion!
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Mar 21, 2022 17:14
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I mean, did Aerial Responder see any play outside maybe Limited? It has like five printing though so even if it's not a constructed bomb WOTC likes the design space.
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Mar 21, 2022 17:15
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HootTheOwl posted:Nah. A good tribal deck should have An Out to a wrath (which is fury's ceiling). But also Elves just doesn't have an answer to Engineer or Fury, or anything really. I'd say of the five tribal decks in Modern it's the bottom. You're right, print glimpse of nature into modern WotC you cowards!! Elves is definitely the worst of them, but it's also hilariously fun to play so I'll never fully get rid of it. Though, I'm also not buying caverns either
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Mar 21, 2022 17:34
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jfc just had a Limited game where my opponent had FIVE Intercessor's Arrests Nobody's beating that poo poo
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Mar 21, 2022 17:34
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MikeCrotch posted:First strike is pretty big game though, especially on defence. Like Wind Drake (and it's counterpart Phantom Monster) are both pretty medium, but it doesn't take a whole lot to make them good. Think Pegasus Courser in M19 It's the WW1 casting cost that kills it because that is a premium casting cost for a card that sucks rear end. If you're putting this card in your deck it's forces you to heavily slant your mana base towards plains to be able to cast it at a relevant time. Look at the mana costs in the last few sets and tell me how often you see double of the same colour on a common, it's less frequent than you think. I'm glad you brought up Pegasus Courser because it's the nearest comparison and it's very medium. Ask yourself when the last time you were excited to play it, and if then how you'd feel if it was harder to cast for a second toughness. For a real comparison look at Ardenvale Tactician and laugh at how bad Thunder Spirit is. Now that I'm thinking about it I'm lowering the grade from D+ to D. I dunno if the reserve list prevents them from making 2/2 first strike flier for WW (two mana) but that would be a printable uncommon ad no more egregious than some of the wild stuff we see these days.
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Pegasus Courser was good though? In M19 at least, where white was very aggressive and so welcomed the ability to make other stuff flying (especially Star Crowned Stag) Obviously it depends on context, like the Wind Drake + Frost Lynx in Strixhaven (forgot the name) which everyone assumed would be amazing. I could definitely imagine a set where 1WW for a 2/2 first flyer is fine to good, especially since it's not too bad late since it tangles well and is very very good to put auras and counters on if those are good in the set. OTOH if being base white is bad, white is not particularly aggressive, there are lots of removal spells that hit 2 toughness creatures or flying 3+ toughness creatures abound it might not be great. Comparing to Ardenvale Tactician is a bit disingenuous I think since that's one of the best white limited commons ever so, yeah it's going to be worse by comparison. But there's a lot of room for maneuver between "first pickable common" and "D" imo. Having said that, I would imagine that it would be overdrafted and so not something you'd play as much as the community at large - people *love* their Wind Drake's and Phantom Monsters because a ton of people still follow BREAD religiously when drafting.
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Mar 21, 2022 17:52
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If a storm spirit got functionally reprinted with a creature type that was very relevant in a particular draft format it would probably be decent as a 20-23rd spot in your deck.
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Mar 21, 2022 18:02
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Elvis_Maximus posted:You're right, print glimpse of nature into modern WotC you cowards!! The monkey's paw already curled on this one.
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Mar 21, 2022 18:02
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HootTheOwl posted:The monkey's paw already curled on this one. Oh dang, I forgot that it actually WAS a modern legal card Well in that case unban it 
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Mar 21, 2022 18:05
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Oh dang, I forgot that it actually WAS a modern legal card It's not banned, it isn't modern legal because it was only reprinted in supplemental sets since 6th edition, which was pre modern. EDIT: Whoops i somehow got the wires crossed on two different convos and thought this was about Desertion Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Mar 21, 2022 18:19
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Froghammer posted:jfc just had a Limited game where my opponent had FIVE Intercessor's Arrests
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MikeCrotch posted:Pegasus Courser was good though? In M19 at least, where white was very aggressive and so welcomed the ability to make other stuff flying (especially Star Crowned Stag) The bread eaters are the ones that most need thunder spirit to not exist so that they don't ruin their decks by playing it! Look at a single deck you've played in the past three years and tell me if there's a single one that wants this slop. The Shortest Path posted:If a storm spirit got functionally reprinted with a creature type that was very relevant in a particular draft format it would probably be decent as a 20-23rd spot in your deck. Filler I don't give a poo poo about is the definition of a D. Draft these days is filled with playables and if I'm putting so called "20-23rd" cards in my deck, that means my deck is bad.
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Mar 21, 2022 18:21
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The Shortest Path posted:It's not banned, it isn't modern legal because it was only reprinted in supplemental sets since 6th edition, which was pre modern. Glimpse of Nature was in Champions of Kamigawa and is in fact, Banned in Modern
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Mar 21, 2022 18:22
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Froghammer posted:jfc just had a Limited game where my opponent had FIVE Intercessor's Arrests instant speed enchantment removal on arrest is a savage beating if you have it Lone Goat posted:If you think WW1 first strike 2/2 flier is relevant in today's limited environment, wizards is doing you a favour by not reprinting it. i will draft thunder spirits all day everyday in most drafts ok maybe not all day but i'd be very happy to pick it up like 5th or 6th pick in a booster The Nastier Nate fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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Mar 21, 2022 18:23
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Cactrot posted:Glimpse of Nature was in Champions of Kamigawa and is in fact, Banned in Modern Yeah I mixed up two posts and thought they were talking about Desertion lol
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Glimpse apparently was on the initial ban list I guess In legacy I don't think it's played anywhere other than elves right? The deck is obviously a lot stronger when all your elves draw you cards, but without GSZ and gaia's cradle I wonder if it's actually too good for modern anymore. You never hear about elves destroying no ban list events Especially considering how much more powerful the format is, in addition to plague engineer and such being effective at keeping it in check
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I think glimpse is a perfectly safe unban in modern however I would also unban hypergenesis so I can't be trusted with these decisions.
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A Moose posted:Also, if nobody plays tribal because plague engineer, then you just have to wait until people stop playing plague engineer because nobody plays tribal! Then you can tribal all over FNM until people sigh and put their plague engineers back in the sideboard. It helps to have a second deck though. Great news, no one plays plague engineer!
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Paul Zuvella posted:Great news, no one plays plague engineer! Prior to the Larrus ban sure but I can definitely see it getting sideboarded again now.
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