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Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
i used to read tons of webcomics but I guess they're not popular anymore or maybe they're all korean webtoons nowadays or maybe I just don't know where to look for them

I saw the sinfest guy went insane that was weird

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

questionable content has 4700 comics now

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Bro Dad posted:

disney is shutting down the company that made the ice age franchise because they tried to make a movie with a gay kiss in it

https://www.comicsbeat.com/nimona-cancelled-over-disney-homophobia/

ok but lightyear has a gay kiss in it now that im sure will be every bit as genuinely queer as nimona was and not at all blatantly cynical woke pandering to distract from whatever lovely thing disney most recently did

NotPerfect
Sep 29, 2021

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

this is a super deep cut, but there's a commentary track on one of The Venture Bros. first three seasons' DVDs where Doc and Jackson talk about getting a meeting early on to try and get Venture Bros. toys made and the guy they met with saying something along the lines of "the average child has 13 Batmans"
I was that child.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

this is a super deep cut, but there's a commentary track on one of The Venture Bros. first three seasons' DVDs where Doc and Jackson talk about getting a meeting early on to try and get Venture Bros. toys made and the guy they met with saying something along the lines of "the average child has 13 Batmans"

Well not surprising given 90s toylines were basically 3 villains, maybe a Robin, and 13 Batmans in various bizarrely specific gimmick suits.

The American Dream
Mar 1, 2007
Don't Forget My Balls
Back in the 90s all the stores had like 6 versions of Wolverine and Spider Man. But god forbid there’s more then 1 Rogue or Black Cat in a case of 40 figures. I had a relative randomly buy me an Invisible Woman figure because I mentioned I was annoyed I couldn’t make the Fantastic Four. She remembered when my cousin was a kid there was some female character that was impossible to find that was his favorite.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

galagazombie posted:

A lot of it is the business model more than anything to do with the stories per say. Selling ~24 pages for $5 at a hard to reach specialty shop is one of the worst business models of all time.

And this model had been crazy for years. In my distant youth, we couldn't afford comics and I had to rely on borrowing them from friends and handouts from relatives. And anyway, who works pay that for maybe 20 minutes of entertainment, especially when the creators have such a habit of abandoning series, leaving them in hiatus, pulling hurried and nonsensical resolutions.

I don't believe explanations like "comic companies are idiots" because it doesn't explain anything (Why are they idiots? Don't they want to make money? Why don't shareholders complain?) but it feels like they're entrenched into a business model they can't get out of - catering to an ever aging and ever inflexible group of core fans that just want more of the same.

Jollity Farm
Apr 23, 2010

NotPerfect posted:

I was that child.

Batmans Georg

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.

Farm Frenzy posted:

i very briefly considered becoming a follows comic book guy in my teens and then i read all the comics i wanted to in a week and the thought of having to wait for more poo poo that ill consume in literally minutes at best completely turned me off. what do comic guys even do all day?

they jack off to hentai

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

Some Guy TT posted:

ok but lightyear has a gay kiss in it now that im sure will be every bit as genuinely queer as nimona was and not at all blatantly cynical woke pandering to distract from whatever lovely thing disney most recently did

subtext? in my disney movies?

i like the red superhero he goes pew

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Comic books are expensive. You can fix that.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

wait this is what moonfall was about?

https://compactmag.com/article/the-stupidity-of-nature

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Farm Frenzy posted:

i very briefly considered becoming a follows comic book guy in my teens and then i read all the comics i wanted to in a week and the thought of having to wait for more poo poo that ill consume in literally minutes at best completely turned me off. what do comic guys even do all day?

Bitch online about comics.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Zizek fit a review of Don't look up in there


quote:

This is why Moonfall is far inferior to Adam McKay’s Don’t Look Up!, in which we also have to look up to see the threat to our survival. Only, this threat is accepted in its meaningless stupidity, with no conspiracy behind it: A big comet is approaching earth and will soon destroy all life on it. This ultimate apocalypse (life on earth will end in six months, and everybody knows it, even if this knowledge is disavowed) is presented as a political satire—more precisely, as a satire beneath which utter darkness lurks all the time. This choice of satire is correct: When we are dealing with a true catastrophe, we are beyond tragedy, and only a comedy can do the job through its very inadequacy to the actual situation—remember that the best films on concentration camps are comedies

No wonder some critics were displeased by the light tone of Don’t Look Up!, claiming it trivializes the ultimate apocalypse. What really bothered these critics is the exact opposite: The film highlights trivialization that permeates not only the establishment, but even the protesters. The US president (played by Meryl Streep) is obviously modeled on Hillary Clinton, so her reluctance to take the threat seriously doesn’t come from a right-wing populist position. And even the protesters, who later in the film chant “Look up!”, imploring us to take the approaching comet seriously, aren’t proposing any effective measures—they are just performing a big spectacle with pop stars, chanting obvious slogans. Rather than signal cheap attacks on rightist populists, the film targets the two predominant reactions to threats such global warming, from the liberal establishment and from ecological protesters.

More precisely, the lesson of Don’t Look Up! is that conspiracy theorists give body to the unconscious of the “rational” liberal establishment. The truth is exactly the opposite of the usual conspiracist claim that establishment forces cynically invoke false threats of catastrophe to control people. On the contrary, establishment forces know the reality of the danger all too well, but they can’t bring themselves to believe in it intimately—they are the true deniers.

Boris Johnson’s garden parties amid strict lockdowns were revealing: Although the British prime minister knew well the reality of Covid—indeed, he almost died of it—his partying demonstrates that he didn’t really believe in it, that he perceived himself and his inner circle as somehow exempt from the disease. When, in the movie, Streep’s American commander-in-chief worriedly asks, “But will the comet hitting the earth prevent the Super Bowl?”, she perfectly renders this stance, as if the end of all life on earth doesn’t render this question meaningless. That’s why the true target of our critique shouldn’t be the outright deniers, but the false “rationalism” of the establishment itself.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

he's still got it

Cael
Feb 2, 2004

I get this funky high on the yellow sun.

Mr Hootington posted:

Comic books are expensive. You can fix that.

:filez:

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
He is right

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Farm Frenzy posted:

i very briefly considered becoming a follows comic book guy in my teens and then i read all the comics i wanted to in a week and the thought of having to wait for more poo poo that ill consume in literally minutes at best completely turned me off. what do comic guys even do all day?

You debate the heroes OP

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Would batman beat superman? Idk

Would it be socialist? Maybe

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

is warner brothers making all their new productions reference DC superhero stuff
https://twitter.com/kevinthoule/status/1506105255536254987?s=20&t=RAx0bjw-D2lgm4g5ORm5kA
https://twitter.com/eseauto/status/1496515299801276422?s=20&t=RAx0bjw-D2lgm4g5ORm5kA

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

the first one I think is still "DC" related somehow - idk if it's an adaptation or what but it's definitely branded as being their content. The second one... lol you might be onto something.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

the second is more forgivable because elvis was really a lifelong captain marvel fan and styled looks after a character

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

I guess with the Elvis movie I'm wondering if it would have been made without Baz highlighting the Captain Marvel elements.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Crusader posted:

the second is more forgivable because elvis was really a lifelong captain marvel fan and styled looks after a character

Atrocious Joe posted:

I guess with the Elvis movie I'm wondering if it would have been made without Baz highlighting the Captain Marvel elements.

I'd guess then this was probably a case of them finding this out, asking if they were able to use Captain Marvel in the movie, and got an enthusiastic "CAN YOU??? CAN YOU ADVERTISE OUR SUPERHERO FRANCHISE MOVIES IN YOUR BOOMER CATNIP MOVIE??? YEAH I THINK WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT THERE"

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Dmz is a dc comic book from the defunct vertigo imprint.

Elvis has been addressed.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

I'd guess then this was probably a case of them finding this out, asking if they were able to use Captain Marvel in the movie, and got an enthusiastic "CAN YOU??? CAN YOU ADVERTISE OUR SUPERHERO FRANCHISE MOVIES IN YOUR BOOMER CATNIP MOVIE??? YEAH I THINK WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT THERE"

That Captain marvel is a DC character.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

if you haven't watched dmz, don't. I know they got wrecked by covid and had to salvage whatever they could for the four episodes that came out but it's awful. just watch the warriors or escape from new york

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mr Hootington posted:

That Captain marvel is a DC character.

yeah i know but even in the case that they're owned by the same parent company, they're probably not gonna just put Captain Marvel in there without one lawyer calling another lawyer

e: they filmed like a dozen takes of Viggo Mortensen finding different cans of cola in The Road before Coca-Cola was like "yeah why exactly would you think we'd have a problem with our soda being depicted as a rare treasure??"

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


nonathlon posted:

I don't believe explanations like "comic companies are idiots" because it doesn't explain anything (Why are they idiots? Don't they want to make money? Why don't shareholders complain?) but it feels like they're entrenched into a business model they can't get out of - catering to an ever aging and ever inflexible group of core fans that just want more of the same.

it's a lot easier to snag a few hardcore whales (especially now with renewal of speculative collecting) than to retool your business in hopes of expanding your audience

See also: the anime industry

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


Also Marvel tbf did try to change all their lineup a few years ago and their hardcore manchild fan base revolted about all the new wokeness

so instead they appointed a guy who pretended to be japanese for years as editor in chief and brought back all the characters they retired, so now steve rogers and the falcon are both captain americas and don't even get me started on all the spidermans

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Bro Dad posted:

it's a lot easier to snag a few hardcore whales (especially now with renewal of speculative collecting) than to retool your business in hopes of expanding your audience

See also: the anime industry

Are there any finical numbers out there on how many whales there are, and how much they spend per-month / per-year?

mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 19:28 on Mar 22, 2022

Durf
Aug 16, 2017




growing up my friends were huge into comics but it was mostly because they fell for the 90s era 'investment' scam. baseball cards too.

recently when we hosted christmas we usually included comics in our friend's stockings. it was fun to go to the local shop and find weird/entertaining titles I hadn't heard of that our friends could enjoy

I found this one King of Spies with really cool dynamic art and crazy action that seems to be about a dying Bond-type realizing all the evil poo poo he's done for empire, and then going after his masters. but its written by Mark Millar so it probably turns into an edgy mess.


Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

i cant tell whats goin on in the second half



also i watched che part 1 last night it was really good why did the cia let it get made

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Durf posted:

but its written by Mark Millar so it probably turns into an edgy mess.

You're gonna get like 5/8 of a pretty cool sounding story before it starts going to poo poo at least

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ben_rosen/status/1506312534650892289

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Stairmaster posted:

i cant tell whats goin on in the second half



also i watched che part 1 last night it was really good why did the cia let it get made

it's loving great! they showed it in havana and people loved it. should warn you though, the second one is slightly sadder. really liked how they filmed them differently to reflect the difference in how his diaries were written about the two conflicts.
apparently they wanted to make a middle movie about che going to africa, haven't heard much about it since then though.

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


mazzi Chart Czar posted:

Are there any finical numbers out there on how many whales there are, and how much they spend per-month / per-year?

Idk all I know is that like four new comic book stores opened around me in the last year

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1506222455748132868

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Stairmaster posted:

i cant tell whats goin on in the second half



also i watched che part 1 last night it was really good why did the cia let it get made

pt 1 owns, and part 2 is pretty great too but (like his actual experience) a bit of a slog. really helps to show how incredible and insane it was that after getting nearly wiped out on their landing they managed to regroup and pull off the rev

soderbergh + benicio the goats

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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

I watched it as a teenager immediately after finishing that Jon Lee Anderson biography and from what I recall it was pretty accurate to real life. Finding out that the "evil massmurdering tyrant" was actually cool and good was one of the first crack ping moments in my life.

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