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I had a good interview with an internal recruiter, followed by one with the manager, so they gave me an assessment to fill out. One part was a 90 minute timed test, the other part was 3 days to put together a story based on some dummy data. The assessment was put together by the manager. I was told that there would be a second round of 3 interviews and a chance to talk about my work. I submitted my story last Wednesday, and sent a follow up email yesterday, but I haven't heard anything since. Would you write off the position at this point?
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pizzapocketparty posted:Starting to look for jobs again. Used to do campaign management in advertising start-ups and do not want to do that again. Now I'm an admin type at a university, and am ok with sticking with GLAM but would prefer going back to the business world since my job search is primarily motivated by money. IDK what GLAM is. Irvine is a good school. I'd highlight this a bit more by have an education section separated out. Marketing is all about ROI. Your resume provides 0 metrics about this or the effectiveness or outcomes of your marketing efforts. This would cause me to immediately trash a marketing person's resume. I know you don't want to do marketing, but you DO want to show you were competent at it. Program managers in the industries I've worked in (tech, defense) are usually made on the job by adding responsibilities to an ICs job. Most frequently they're engineers but they can also have business backgrounds. I've not met an under 35yo PM or PM-lite without a B.S. degree. So IME, (YMMV) you won't get in to PM without already being PM adjacent in those industries. I have heard of construction industry "PMs" that are essentially admins that track schedule tasks ion MS project or similar and field client calls. I encourage others to chime in if, for example, non-profits have "PMs" that don't have business degrees all the time. 3D printing will usually be looking for engineers, particularly in metallurgy, composites or plastic manufacturing as you probably saw. Potential jobs based on resume: Admin: KB Coordinator is a good one you brought up. Admin w/Tech: "Data Analytics", "Data Analyst", "Data Specialist", or "Business Intelligence". If you teach yourself entry-level SQL with online courses, I see jobs that usually have Analyst or Analytics in the title and something about SQL in the job description. Theres no standard title AFAIK for "SQL data puller and report maker". These tend to pay in the $50-$80k/yr range and the job consists of making SQL queries to provide sales reports and what not. You can spin your marketing background to align with this as well. You'll know its this job by the less than six figgies pay, description that says you provide data to someone else and SQL requirement. Sales: Sales Development Rep, Business Development Rep, Account Manager - These are sales jobs. Sales jobs can pay six figgies but they have the downside of being sales jobs. To see if you'd be interested in the entry level version of this (known as an SDR or BDR) I'd suggest this book: https://www.amazon.com/Sales-Development-Cracking-Code-Outbound/dp/1979107947 PM: IDK anything about the construction industry but I've heard they have "PMs" for residential production builders whose job is basically customer satisfaction and tracking progress/complaints. They're who customers talk to about the job so as not to bother the people doing the work.
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Mar 22, 2022 16:17
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Tibalt posted:I had a good interview with an internal recruiter, followed by one with the manager, so they gave me an assessment to fill out. One part was a 90 minute timed test, the other part was 3 days to put together a story based on some dummy data. The assessment was put together by the manager. I was told that there would be a second round of 3 interviews and a chance to talk about my work. Less than a week isn't that long. You already sent your follow up, so at this point just carry on like it's a dead letter. Because there's nothing else for you to do.
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Mar 22, 2022 16:45
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Tibalt posted:I had a good interview with an internal recruiter, followed by one with the manager, so they gave me an assessment to fill out. One part was a 90 minute timed test, the other part was 3 days to put together a story based on some dummy data. The assessment was put together by the manager. I was told that there would be a second round of 3 interviews and a chance to talk about my work. Assume the answer is yes and move on with your job search. They very well might come back to you sometime later but if you end up with competing offers that's the best thing that could happen.
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Mar 22, 2022 17:06
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Tibalt posted:I had a good interview with an internal recruiter, followed by one with the manager, so they gave me an assessment to fill out. One part was a 90 minute timed test, the other part was 3 days to put together a story based on some dummy data. The assessment was put together by the manager. I was told that there would be a second round of 3 interviews and a chance to talk about my work. Everybody just got back the same report that says inflation + fed hike means you should be careful on new investments right now. The job might be gone, they might be holding. Eric the Mauve posted:Assume the answer is yes and move on with your job search. They very well might come back to you sometime later but if you end up with competing offers that's the best thing that could happen. This is p.much the universal answer though
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Mar 22, 2022 18:39
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Eric the Mauve posted:Assume the answer is yes and move on with your job search. They very well might come back to you sometime later but if you end up with competing offers that's the best thing that could happen. I needed to hear this too, so thanks. Had a great 2nd interview Friday, they said I'd hear back Monday or Tuesday. It's Wednesday and I'm chewing my arm off even though that would have been a stupidly fast turnaround for a big and slow organisation
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Mar 23, 2022 02:26
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A few weeks back, y'all were generous enough to help me help my coworker with his resume. Having taken some time off to do some searching, I've finally got my poo poo together enough to find a job posting for a position I actually kind of want! It requires a resume, references, and a cover letter, all up front. This link should contain the job description, my cover letter, my resume, and my reference sheet. Any insight would be much appreciated. The job description speaks for itself. The low end of the pay scale is a slight drop from my current pay, but the upper end is like 50% more than what I make now, so if I could make a strong case for myself, it would truly be life-changing. The resume I feel sort-of-okay-ish about. I wish our records were more complete and that I was able to give more hard numbers, but I think it hits most of the things they're looking for. I made a few decisions that are a bit iffy (my first position as a tutor being listed, for example, as well as including summa cum laude on the Education section), so if any of those things should be removed, I'm more than happy to do it. I also feel bad about the skills section. On the one hand, it's almost empty and one of the skills is "knows how to use basic computer programs like every literate person." On the other hand, they don't ask for much and trying to pad it out with a bunch of soft skills seems to be a bad idea, since those are better handled in the experience section. I guess the reference sheet should also speak for itself. I just copied the format on Indeed and kept the descriptions as short as possible. Where I feel truly hosed is on the cover letter. I tried to emphasize my communication skills and customer service experience, since that's what was most strongly in the job offering, but (ironically) I think I pretty much failed. I feel like I'm elaborating on what's in my resume in a less concise form. It's also a little weird to go in chronological (rather than reverse-chronological) order, but doing it in reverse-chronological order felt basically impossible to do in any way that made logical sense. From what I've seen in tutorials and in other posts upthread, it looks like you want to list a few positions and then an anecdote from each. That seems good in theory, but given how long I've held my positions and how much the duties of each position shifted over time, I feel like it's almost impossible to condense anything down enough to be both elucidating and concise. It's really frustrating, since the job seems tailor-made for me. I spent years dealing exclusively with the most hostile, panicky, and angry people to call our office, and I did a great job in mollifying them while maintaining our institutional integrity. I just have no idea how to relate all that in a cover letter. The thing about being an alumnus is also a bit cringe to me. It's all true and it shows why I would be genuinely interested, but I fear its overlong and much too corny.
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Mar 23, 2022 02:41
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Thank you all so much for taking the time to write these out, these are WAY helpful. My friends gave supportive feedback (which was appreciated), but not so much on the constructive side. I'm vaguely familiar with SQL, I've dipped my toe into online programming tutorials and I used SQL commands in my GIS certificate classes. Maybe I should dig into that more and weasel it in there. (GLAM stands for "galleries, libraries, archives, and museums", I work with the middle two. Although I assumed the A stood for "academia" until I googled it.)
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Mar 23, 2022 03:21
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Jumpsuit posted:I needed to hear this too, so thanks. Had a great 2nd interview Friday, they said I'd hear back Monday or Tuesday. It's Wednesday and I'm chewing my arm off even though that would have been a stupidly fast turnaround for a big and slow organisation I’m in a similar position except for a final interview. Had the final, in-person interview on Wednesday the 9th. When Friday the 18th came around, I followed up with the recruiter and asked when a decision is expected. He said “I should have an answer for you on Monday at the latest”. Still waiting. Should I try following up again, or would that be too pushy? To be clear, this is either I got the job or I didn’t.
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Mar 23, 2022 14:16
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Jesus loving Christ, TWO more recruiters this week who want to talk on the phone before they send me a loving JD. And they have the making GBS threads temerity to get upset at me when I tell them to stop loving wasting my time. I'm literally starting to wonder if they're trying to check something discriminatory like listening to hear if I had an accent or something. It is essentially inconceivable to me otherwise.
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Mar 23, 2022 14:26
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Mst3kmann posted:I’m in a similar position except for a final interview. Had the final, in-person interview on Wednesday the 9th. When Friday the 18th came around, I followed up with the recruiter and asked when a decision is expected. He said “I should have an answer for you on Monday at the latest”. Still waiting. At this point no action you take can possibly advance their timeline or improve/hurt your candidacy. I guess you could hurt your candidacy by sending a really loving annoying email, or a series of annoying emails, but I'm going to assume you won't. One day late is basically on time in hiring. You can follow up if you think it'll make you feel better, but it won't.
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Mar 23, 2022 14:32
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Magnetic North posted:Jesus loving Christ, TWO more recruiters this week who want to talk on the phone before they send me a loving JD. And they have the making GBS threads temerity to get upset at me when I tell them to stop loving wasting my time. recruiters want to get you on the phone because it's an escalatory step in the relationship and starts to build rapport. you're in tech, they aren't listening for an accent. if people screened tech roles for accents there wouldn't be tech.
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Mar 23, 2022 14:35
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:recruiters want to get you on the phone because it's an escalatory step in the relationship and starts to build rapport. lol, so true. Recruiters are amateur salespeople and most of the poo poo they do makes sense when you understand that.
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Mar 23, 2022 16:00
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If we're discussing the behaviour of recruiters, it's happened many times where they're all extremely friendly and overbearing in all of their calls, ask you to immediately call them as soon as your interview is over, and then when you do exactly that, they always seem very put out and dismissive. I guess they're always terrified that you're going to go into business for yourself in the interview or something, but is it just that you've called them instead of them calling you and it seems to totally throw their act?
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Mar 23, 2022 16:24
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It's that when you called them they didn't have time to get themselves psyched up into Sales Mode before calling you, so you're catching them at their default "god, I hate my job" personality.
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Mar 23, 2022 16:30
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's that when you called them they didn't have time to get themselves psyched up into Sales Mode before calling you, so you're catching them at their default "god, I hate my job" personality. im in this picture and i don't like it no client guy i dont wanna talk to you right now
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Mar 23, 2022 16:33
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's that when you called them they didn't have time to get themselves psyched up into Sales Mode before calling you, so you're catching them at their default "god, I hate my job" personality.
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Mar 23, 2022 16:49
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Some people say to reach out to recruiters. Does this mean before applying for jobs on LinkedIn, I should try and connect with the person who posted the job? That seems a bit.. intrusive.
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Mar 24, 2022 15:21
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Trickortreat posted:Some people say to reach out to recruiters. Does this mean before applying for jobs on LinkedIn, I should try and connect with the person who posted the job? That seems a bit.. intrusive. It's not. That's why they are posting. I don't think it's strictly necessary but especially if you know the person it's a good way to get your application at the top of the pile.
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Mar 24, 2022 15:33
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Lockback posted:It's not. That's why they are posting.
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Mar 25, 2022 16:30
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Eric the Mauve posted:Assume the answer is yes and move on with your job search. They very well might come back to you sometime later but if you end up with competing offers that's the best thing that could happen. Luckily I took this advice and I have another two interviews lined up, so there's that. I'm really not a fan of the hiring process, the whole job application and interviewing process takes forever and stresses me out.
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Mar 25, 2022 16:55
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Tibalt posted:I'm really not a fan of the hiring process, the whole job application and interviewing process takes forever and stresses me out. So in other words it's exactly like having a corporate job except you don't get paid? 
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Mar 25, 2022 17:01
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Jumpsuit posted:High five! I also had a marketing interview today so your question came at the perfect time. Well the interview went well (45 min!) and I sent thank you notes to both participants (it's something I just do, people seem to like it). They went with someone else but the facility director called me in today to let me know and talk about future stuff. Said there might be some opportunities down the road. Good news!
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Mar 25, 2022 19:50
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Sounds like we had the same experience. I lost out after making it to the final two, but they must have been somewhat impressed as they shopped my CV round the rest of the organisation and I've had two managers reach out about upcoming roles.
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Mar 28, 2022 08:53
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:One day late is basically on time in hiring. How about a more than a week? God, I hate this.
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Mar 29, 2022 20:41
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Mst3kmann posted:How about a more than a week? You used your one follow-up right? Assume it's a no and move on. Maybe they'll surprise you. Fyi, a lot of companies just got some rocky outlooks very recently, especially if they have revenue coming from the EU. Lots of places are delaying hiring for a few weeks.
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Mar 29, 2022 22:14
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Tell me about EEO questions. It doesn't take long to fill out, but do companies get some kind of notification or have some way of knowing if I haven't filled it out? Kinda tempted to skip them if I can get away with it.
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Mar 29, 2022 22:37
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Trickortreat posted:Tell me about EEO questions. It doesn't take long to fill out, but do companies get some kind of notification or have some way of knowing if I haven't filled it out? Kinda tempted to skip them if I can get away with it. Will they know if you didnt fill out a part of the form they made? Yea. Duh. Does it matter? Depends on the employer, its one of those arbitrary things. Use an automatic form filler tho, if you arent. Also its been a couple months, are you getting a >15% phone screen/1st interview rate from your applications?
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Mar 29, 2022 23:13
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CarForumPoster posted:Will they know if you didnt fill out a part of the form they made? Yea. Duh. Does it matter? Depends on the employer, its one of those arbitrary things. I started applying on Feb 16th, and I've had 9 interviews. One got to the final round, but they did not make an offer. I just got certified as a customer success manager today through a certification program, so I hope that will help me get more of an interest.
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Mar 29, 2022 23:38
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When y'all get LinkedIn recruiters who include a ridiculously low salary in their initial prospecting message, do you even respond just to tell them how ridiculously low it is? Or ignore? I've done both, but i just got a whopper
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Mar 29, 2022 23:58
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I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos, and some of the advice they give out is really interesting. Is it a good idea to ask the recruiter if they noticed any red flags about my resume, or anything that gave them pause? I get the reason people ask that question, but I am wary of bringing up any kind of negativity in the initial interview.
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Mar 31, 2022 15:22
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Good god no don't ever do that
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Mar 31, 2022 15:30
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Trickortreat posted:I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos, and some of the advice they give out is really interesting. Is it a good idea to ask the recruiter if they noticed any red flags about my resume, or anything that gave them pause? I don't think this is a great question in an interview. I don't think your going to get a very honest answer (I tend to be pretty vague) and I am not sure you want to focus on negatives. Plus, once an interviewer vocalizes something they probably won't change their mind and getting into an argument ("You don't think I know enough about CICD? Nuh-uh!") is a bad look. There is some value in getting the interviewer to talk through their thought process but that always comes off as kind of clumsy.
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Mar 31, 2022 15:32
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Trickortreat posted:I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos, and some of the advice they give out is really interesting. Is it a good idea to ask the recruiter if they noticed any red flags about my resume, or anything that gave them pause? I get asked this question for my hourly jobs frequently. I try to answer honestly, when I can. Many won't. Still, may be worth asking because you get so little feedback when interviewing. Note that sometimes I can't. For example someone applied for a job that required very high attention to detail with a good resume. When I spoke with them, they gave disorganized answers, showed little knowledge of the job and were quickly heading toward no in the first 5 min. Clearly a bad fit. Just as I was about to end the interview early, they brought up having a TBI injury resulting from military service, two things that are red flags for a discrimination lawsuit. If they asked this question I'd give them a B.S. answer: "Nothing that gives me pause, we're pretty far in the hiring process for a candidate already so if this req gets filled we're growing quickly and I'd encourage you to apply again."
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Mar 31, 2022 15:38
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Right, your only prayer in hell of ever getting an answer to that question is if you're a straight white male below age 40 with nothing even faintly resembling a disability. Even then chances are slim because as it happens that's the precise demographic most likely to want to pick an argument over it and nobody wants that or has time for it. More fundamentally the interviewer's there to fill the open role, not to help you find a job. Having to say "no" to dozens of people, some or many of them adequately qualified, for something of life-changing importance to each one of them is a really unpleasant part of making hiring decisions. Most likely every person you sit down to talk with about a job is a person you're going to have to bitterly disappoint and unless you're a sociopath you're always aware of that in the back of your mind. Even if there weren't liability dangers resulting in a gag order from Legal, there isn't nearly time in the day to help each candidate you reject find a job somewhere else, and the only really functional way to keep yourself out of doing that is a blanket policy of "What's Wrong With My Resume?": Not Even Once. tl;dr significant risk of damaging their evaluation of you, almost no chance of gaining anything meaningful from it.
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Mar 31, 2022 15:46
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That makes sense. Even if the hiring manager saw red flags, they might have reservations about sharing insider information. The way the question was framed made it sound like an opportunity to address a shortcoming, but I best leave this one out. I must confess I did ask just that this morning, and immediately felt like I had made a mistake. Thankfully it was just an initial phone screen, and everything else went pretty well. On a related note, these one-way video interviews are going to be the death of me. I did one the other day where they only allowed 3 takes, and I absolutely butchered the first question. At least I didn't talk about any potential red flags from my work history.
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Mar 31, 2022 16:18
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Whenever I'm asked that question, I just say no and move on.
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Mar 31, 2022 16:22
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There is something to be said in a phone screen but be very casual about it. Something like "Is there anything specific you're looking for this role, maybe something outside what you typically see in a resume?" might help give you clues, but keep it general. Again, you want to highlight your strengths, not argue about your weaknesses.
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The main points I try to convey during my phone screen are 1. I am committed to the career pivot and that I won't be returning to clinical practice. 2. I have done the research on your company (Glassdoor, G2, etc etc etc) and there is a specific reason I applied for your company. 3. I am comfortable talking on the phone with strangers. As a recruiter, when you ask the candidates if they have questions, what are you looking to get out of that exchange?
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As a career coach, I agree with the posters who have recommended against asking to discuss red flags on their resume in an interview (or talking with a recruiter for a specific position). The goal of the interview in general is to demonstrate goodness of fit and establishing a connection between you and the position, and such a question does nothing but put distance between you and the opportunity. As an interviewer, the first thing I think of when someone asks if I see red flags is "hm, maybe there ARE some red flags I need to double-check for ..." Because why else would someone ask that question unless they thought there were some issues with their candidacy? Like other folks have said, it's not the interviewer's job to help you get a job, their role is to get their open position filled. Asking professional peers or a career coach is a better venue for getting an honest answer for whether there are red flags on your resume, professional narrative, or answers to interview questions.
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