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Mustache Ride: Sep 11, 2001

DoomTrainPhD posted:

https://boingboing.net/2022/03/16/hot-dog-linux-for-people-who-really-do-love-their-vintage-desktops.html

*shudders*

# ? Mar 22, 2022 01:29

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# ? May 27, 2024 13:29

Buck Turgidson: Feb 6, 2011; 𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

rather just drop to TTY at that point lol

# ? Mar 22, 2022 03:59

Kamrat: Nov 27, 2012; Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off

I had no idea that gnustep and window maker was still a thing, I guess open source projects never die, are there still distro's out there that defaults to it?

# ? Mar 22, 2022 10:25

Buck Turgidson: Feb 6, 2011; 𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

Probably not. I have puppy linux on a tiny USB I got from work and it uses jwm, which is surprisingly nice to use. it's still developed after like 20 years

# ? Mar 22, 2022 10:46

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

i like xfce and use thunar regularly even when running other wms

xfce is like looking into a parallel universe of what linux desktop software would be like if it wasn't designed to be as obtuse and awful as possible

# ? Mar 22, 2022 13:14

Kamrat: Nov 27, 2012; Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off

Progressive JPEG posted:

i like xfce and use thunar regularly even when running other wms

xfce is like looking into a parallel universe of what linux desktop software would be like if it wasn't designed to be as obtuse and awful as possible

I think you misspelt KDE

# ? Mar 22, 2022 15:49

AlbertFlasher: Feb 14, 2006; Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

Progressive JPEG posted:

i like xfce and use thunar regularly even when running other wms

xfce is like looking into a parallel universe of what linux desktop software would be like if it wasn't designed to be as obtuse and awful as possible

Ya xfce is good.

# ? Mar 22, 2022 15:52

Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

xfce does the needful.

i have written a lot of backend stuff on linux and i still have no idea how any of the desktop stuff is meant to be layered. does that use wayland? does anything?

# ? Mar 22, 2022 15:55

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

Kamrat posted:

I had no idea that gnustep and window maker was still a thing, I guess open source projects never die, are there still distro's out there that defaults to it?

https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace

# ? Mar 22, 2022 17:47

Poopernickel: Oct 28, 2005; electricity bad; Fun Shoe

windowmaker's website is baller as hell: https://www.windowmaker.org/

windowmaker owns, and just looking around on that website sparks long-forgotten joy

Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Mar 22, 2022

# ? Mar 22, 2022 19:03

Kamrat: Nov 27, 2012; Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off

Poopernickel posted:

windowmaker's website is baller as hell: https://www.windowmaker.org/

windowmaker owns, and just looking around on that website sparks long-forgotten joy

It is wonderful, I remember the first time I ever got a nextstep-like enviroment for my windows-computer back in the 90's, think it was litestep or something along those lines, it felt so cool... until it broke like 2 weeks later, those where the days.

But ever since whenever I see a nextstep-like desktop environment I get nostalgic.

hifi posted:

https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace

Cool!

# ? Mar 22, 2022 19:52

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

don�t forget �toil�

# ? Mar 22, 2022 20:05

psiox: Oct 15, 2001; Babylon 5 Street Team

AlbertFlasher posted:

Ya xfce is good.

i also use xfce and it is nice and predictable

# ? Mar 22, 2022 22:01

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

lol, apparently /dev/random and /dev/urandom can't be the same afterall

# ? Mar 22, 2022 22:04

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

psiox posted:

i also use xfce and it is nice and predictable

yeah xfce is v. good and has great performance

# ? Mar 22, 2022 22:15

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

DoomTrainPhD posted:

https://boingboing.net/2022/03/16/hot-dog-linux-for-people-who-really-do-love-their-vintage-desktops.html

*squeals* GEM ST desktop

# ? Mar 23, 2022 00:29

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

the idea of "open source projects that never die" made me think about RISC OS and holy poo poo there's *still* active development on it for ARMv3 machines

# ? Mar 23, 2022 01:21

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

the worst that can happen to an opensource project is that it's cryogenically frozen if it stops receiving maintenance, until someone else picks it up

# ? Mar 23, 2022 02:22

mystes: May 31, 2006

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

the worst that can happen to an opensource project is that it's cryogenically frozen if it stops receiving maintenance, until someone else picks it up

OpenOffice proves that, no, that isn't the worst that can happen

# ? Mar 23, 2022 04:14

dioxazine: Oct 14, 2004

openoffice proves a lot of things, really. it seems to exist as an example to everyone else

# ? Mar 23, 2022 04:27

mystes: May 31, 2006

OpenOffice is like Schrodinger's cat except you're locked in the box with the cat and it's using you as a scratching post

# ? Mar 23, 2022 04:35

Raluek: Nov 3, 2006; WUT.

psiox posted:

i also use xfce and it is nice and predictable

i like xfce, but my main two gripes with it is that some things just arent possible with its control panel (gotta load some gnome shitpile to twiddle a setting), and the file manager is unpredictable.

here is an example screenshot that i took from my then-work computer. sometimes when opening a folder i would get one type of window, and sometimes i would get the other. (filenames redacted cause work stuff)

it was mystifying for as long as i worked there (which wasnt very long; this was an internship)

maybe there was some reliable way to get one or the other, but in the course of just like normal working i would have some random assortment of both

# ? Mar 23, 2022 06:59

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Kazinsal posted:

the idea of "open source projects that never die" made me think about RISC OS and holy poo poo there's *still* active development on it for ARMv3 machines

well yeah why wouldn�t there be

people are also still improving FreeTOS and MINT

# ? Mar 23, 2022 08:18

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

hell even MINIX is still getting work done (just not 1.5)

also MPE has an interesting and small set of syscalls (which it calls �intrinsics�), someone could totally reimplement it in C from first principles

# ? Mar 23, 2022 08:22

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

what do you mean "even minix"? most of yospos runs minix every day, more than use linux for sure.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 08:35

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

imagine if unix had a sort/merge system this awesome

and could be accessed directly via syscalls rather than have to route poo poo through pipelines

# ? Mar 23, 2022 08:40

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

then again the OS has a real database built in

actually more than one because there are also TurboIMAGE and ALLBASE/SQL available in ways that basically add them to MPE rather than layer them strictly on top of it

# ? Mar 23, 2022 08:47

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

that reminds me of the periodic idea that seems to crop up pretty regularily, where people think they're the first to invent the idea of using a database instead of a filesystem

# ? Mar 23, 2022 12:32

Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

That seems like a distinction without a difference to me.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 13:45

fresh_cheese: Jul 2, 2014; MY KPI IS HOW MANY VP NUTS I SUCK IN A FISCAL YEAR AND MY LAST THREE OFFICE CHAIRS COMMITTED SUICIDE

bah.

implement a key based record search with arbitrary block sizes in the disk hardware itself if youre really serious about that sort of thing.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 15:36

A Bad King: Jul 17, 2009; Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?

No one will pull me away from GNOME unless they offered me GNOME-but-with-faster-file-manager. Also apt is inferior to pacman.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:10

yummycheese: Mar 28, 2004

fresh_cheese posted:

bah.

implement a key based record search with arbitrary block sizes in the disk hardware itself if youre really serious about that sort of thing.

you jest but i imagine this type of discussion comes up frequently at the CEPH project.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 18:16

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

i came back to my arch desktop after about 6 months unused and it displays the following issues, randomly. every reboot picks 1-3 issues off the list. this is not a request for assistance because i know better than to try to fix linux. im just complaining

not recognize usb microphone
no sound in firefox but everything else is fine
low fps in rimworld
flashing black screen in rimworld
takes two minutes to shut down
steam can't connect but firefox can

cool my linux is full of ghosts

# ? Mar 23, 2022 18:51

Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Have you tried not using a toy distro?

# ? Mar 23, 2022 18:58

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

Antigravitas posted:

Have you tried not using a toy operating system?

install windows if you want to play games, op

# ? Mar 23, 2022 19:04

fresh_cheese: Jul 2, 2014; MY KPI IS HOW MANY VP NUTS I SUCK IN A FISCAL YEAR AND MY LAST THREE OFFICE CHAIRS COMMITTED SUICIDE

yummycheese posted:

you jest but i imagine this type of discussion comes up frequently at the CEPH project.

not a jest, s/360 did it in �64 with the Count Key Data disk io architecture

ref: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_key_data

its literally �select all data records with key=<zipcode> � implemented in the disk hardware/firmware

its still there today in z/OS VSAM with any modern ECKD dasd. DB2 on Z is basically just a lock manager and sql parser on top of vsam data in eckd disk.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 19:14