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Sagebrush posted:SawStops are pretty expensive saws in the first place. They are really nice ones, though, just in general. And blades wear out naturally and have to be replaced periodically. If you're running a shop, the cost of an extra blade and a new brake cartridge once in a blue moon because some dummy screwed up is a drop in the bucket. I'm not sure if I'm more impressed that they were able to make a system that can accurately tell the difference between meat and a hand, or that they can stop the blade that quickly without the blade exploding everywhere.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:That reminds me of the Royal Tenenbaums. 
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Cat Hatter posted:I'm not sure if I'm more impressed that they were able to make a system that can accurately tell the difference between meat and a hand, or that they can stop the blade that quickly without the blade exploding everywhere. I think in another video I saw, they show that you have to wear a special electrode wrist strap so that it can tell where the right meat stops and the wrong meat begins. Presumably that wouldn't be a problem if you were only cutting wood. I also am impressed that the blade just stops and doesn't go SPOING out the top of the machine. If they've found a way to stop it dead without breaking it, to me that's the most interesting part of the system.
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:It's pretty awful. Ellen was standing under the lamp to light it when it exploded, covering her in burning oil. In true OSHA fashion, this happened at her place of employment. You're not wrong - it's downright fascinating. The section that starts at page 531 covers what was apparently an entire cottage industry of frauds that added whatever cheap additives they had at hand to straight gasoline and claimed it was now non-explosive and could safely be used in lamps. The Danforth's oil seems to have been basically straight light gasoline, which definitely produces explosive vapors even below room temperature.
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When Sawstop first started out, they would serve as expert witnesses against their competition in wrongful harm suits. this wasn't because they wanted safer saws though, since Bosch made a similar saw and got lawsuited until they stopped selling it. The guy who invented it is a patent attorney of course. but  I guess.
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Sagebrush posted:I think in another video I saw, they show that you have to wear a special electrode wrist strap so that it can tell where the right meat stops and the wrong meat begins. Presumably that wouldn't be a problem if you were only cutting wood. I tried looking up the mechanism and couldn't find it, but according to their brochure it's also got a quick reset and doesn't require a blade change, so however it works it's apparently non-destructive.
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Vlaphor posted:https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/man-dies-during-sex-extreme-orgasm-determined-as-the-cause-of-death-3349703.html The sex worker now has a waiting list four months long.
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This one needs sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMlTVATETo
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Computer viking posted:You're not wrong - it's downright fascinating. The section that starts at page 531 covers what was apparently an entire cottage industry of frauds that added whatever cheap additives they had at hand to straight gasoline and claimed it was now non-explosive and could safely be used in lamps. The Danforth's oil seems to have been basically straight light gasoline, which definitely produces explosive vapors even below room temperature. This book is wild. The language is amazing. The phrasing! The vocabulary! The personality! Random samples: quote:
There are all sorts of charts and graphs and maps in here, little anecdotes ("ignorant and unskillful operators" going around offering to circumcise Jewish babies for cheap, so the health department asked some influential Jewish doctors and rabbis to warn to their communities), lists of causes of death (splinter in foot, crushed by barrel of apples,fell into privy, suicide by ingestion of a toxic pigment called Paris green)... so much information! It just goes on and on. Here's a drainage map:
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iirc paris green is the one made with arsenic and there are some books printed with it that have to be kept in locked cases
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Khizan posted:I tried looking up the mechanism and couldn't find it, but according to their brochure it's also got a quick reset and doesn't require a blade change, so however it works it's apparently non-destructive. in a table saw, most of the rotating mass in the system is the blade itself. for a bandsaw, it runs on big wheels that are also turning, but are much heavier(thus have most of the energy) the blade itself is very light. after the saw stops in the video, you can hear the machine still spinning down in the background. retract the wheel that's keeping tension on the blade, then it's got very little mass to grab and stop, and the bigger wheels can coast down. the patent describes a blade clamping mechanism; US 20080245200 A1 https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/ seems like it just pinches the blade to stop it. HarmB fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Captain Hygiene posted:So are metal woodworker gauntlets a thing? Could I invent those, undercut SawStop with those, and corner the tabletop saw fingat safety market? Cat Hatter posted:Possibly . The evidence anyone was conscious at all past the explosion was inconclusive.
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Jonny Nox posted:When Sawstop first started out, they would serve as expert witnesses against their competition in wrongful harm suits. Hmm, a patent attorney that actually does some good in the world....
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Seen video of this place many times over the years, and they still haven't just widened the hole.
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Sagebrush posted:I wanna get one of these bandsaws for the shop, too, but it's not clear if they make ones that are suitable for a wood shop. Seems to be targeted only at meat processing. There probably wouldn't be much of a market for a Sawstop bandsaw. Obviously you can hurt yourself with a bandsaw, but a bandsaws hunger for flesh is infinitely less than a table saw. There's no kickback, the blade is stationary, the blade themselves are much less lethal than tablesaw blade, etc etc. Where a tablesaw can actively harm you even if you're paying attention and think you're following all safety rules, you'd mostly have to go out of your way to get injured by a bandsaw. The ones they make for the meat industry are there mostly because you're not using a fencer or miter, and you're working at a very fast pace with odd cut sizes for hours at a time which increases the risk of injury. Speaking of Sawstop though, was just watching a woodworker on youtube and he tripped his sawstop while cutting styrofoam. It was insulation styrofoam, and he didn't clue in that the foil backing might cause issues. He must've touched the work surface of the table-saw, which completed the circuit from there, into the foil on the styrofoam, and then into the blade which tripped the system. 
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Playing hide and go brrrrr
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GWBBQ posted:... Yeah, I remember reading about that but, as someone who doesn't analyze crash debris for a living, I'd bet the forces involved during the explosion, partial breakup, and hitting the water at terminal velocity could find new and exciting ways to put valves and switches into other positions.
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Cat Hatter posted:Yeah, I remember reading about that but, as someone who doesn't analyze crash debris for a living, I'd bet the forces involved during the explosion, partial breakup, and hitting the water at terminal velocity could find new and exciting ways to put valves and switches into other positions. I've worked aircraft crashes before and they put a lot of consideration into that sort of thing. One technique among others is to look for dents in the housings of the switches or valve bodies that show a position at impact. It's pretty certain that they operated those switches.
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Cat Hatter posted:as someone who doesn't analyze crash debris for a living, I'd bet 
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:suicide by ingestion of a toxic pigment called Paris green Wiki tells me that "Paris green may be prepared by combining copper(II) acetate and arsenic trioxid." Yum
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More toxic than Tom Green.
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Paris green killed Napoleon Bonaparte.
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Platystemon posted:Paris green killed Napoleon Bonaparte. The Perfidious Britisher poisoned L'Empereur.
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That sounds like a mnemonic for something?
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Putting the Skid in Skid Steer
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One of the black boxes from the China plane crash has been recovered, but it's heavily damaged.
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Mozi posted:One of the black boxes from the China plane crash has been recovered, but it's heavily damaged. I wonder if they'll find that the pilot was letting his kid fly the plane.
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Sagebrush posted:Impossible. There is no technology on the planet that can stop a blade like that dead in microseconds without damaging or destroying some part of the system. It's like saying "maybe someday they'll invent an airbag that can just be deflated and reused instead of having to be totally replaced." That's not how the engineering works. Bosch has had this for years now, called the Reaxx, Sawstop sued them and won though. Granted it doesn't stop the blade and doesn't ruin it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luo5t2S-pvw
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His Divine Shadow posted:Bosch has had this for years now, called the Reaxx, Sawstop sued them and won though. Granted it doesn't stop the blade and doesn't ruin it. why test it with a penis though? hosed up.
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Teabag the saw, it's the only true test
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RandomBlue posted:why test it with a penis though? hosed up. To accurately simulate user behavior
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withak posted:The sex worker now has a waiting list four months long. Yeah, but they're all for assisted suicide patients.
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:I wonder if they'll find that the pilot was letting his kid fly the plane. If this is a Michael Crichton (Airframe) reference,  vvv edit: holy poo poo vvv mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:If this is a Michael Crichton (Airframe) reference, More likely an Aeroflot flight 593 reference.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Bosch has had this for years now, called the Reaxx, Sawstop sued them and won though. Granted it doesn't stop the blade and doesn't ruin it. How did they successfully sue them and win when the function is clearly different? Is it the detection system that was similar?
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The Tr... The Truck... The Fuc... https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_r8r7egM0631w5pr9j.mp4
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NoneMoreNegative posted:The Tr... The Truck... The Fuc... IT DID IT! IT DID THE THING!
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