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kiimo posted:throw in some whale fur from lynch dune I'm in The Voice is just hooting
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My brain went here I enjoyed this series but it was decades ago and I'm not sure how it holds up.
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Mar 22, 2022 23:49
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Hyperion is amazing. More literary than Dune but probably equally good world building. Also centred (but not entirely set) on a single world, much like dune is.
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Mar 23, 2022 00:12
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Hyperion sequels suck, unlike Dune First book doesn't have an ending
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The second Hyperion book is the conclusion to the first book, they’re supposed to be read as a pair. I enjoyed the Endymion sequels but I was young and dumb and agree they should probably be skipped. Hyperion is a tour through various styles and genres of SF (space opera, cyberpunk, some Lem, some Vance, etc) told in the style of Canterbury Tales. It’s good. I think about things from it (farcasters, the fatline, the technocore) all the time.
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Simmons’ book “The Terror” is alright but the first season of the TV show based on it is amazing. 2nd season was pretty much unrelated and just bad. Jared Harris is the king of prestige TV miniseries!
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still pissed they didn't get him back for the expanse
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StashAugustine posted:still pissed they didn't get him back for the expanse  , had to just kill him off off camera  He sold the hell out of the Belter creole too, actually sounded good coming from him.
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Grei Skuring posted:That's it! Thanks to all of you for your tips, regardless. Both sound good (or readable, anyways). Book of the New Sun is insanely superior to Dune
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I haven’t read it, can you give a sales pitch?
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Jewmanji posted:I haven’t read it, can you give a sales pitch? Failed professional torturer lies/kills/eats his way to planetary hegemony
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Jewmanji posted:I haven’t read it, can you give a sales pitch? Young man who claims he remembers every single moment of his life is an apprentice for The Order of the Seekers for Truth and Penitence, and is faced with a moral dilemma that will change his life. He is sent on a quest. Along the way, he will meet interesting people, and destroy most of their lives. He is also, seemingly telling you this story, and omitting things, changing things around, jumping around the narrative with seemingly no reason. What is he hiding? What doesn't he remember? And why do these myths he says sound so weirdly familiar?
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That sounds dope, thank you
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Ugh I've been meaning to read book of the new sun for ages. It sounds really good it was billed to me as "the Dark Souls of science fiction" in the sense that you have to read between the lines and figure out what's really going on, and for better or worse I'm legally bound to consume any content described as the "dark souls of x"
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Don't read any synopsis or anything. Just start raw, scratch your head when you need to, but keep trucking. Re-read, if necessary. That's good advice for any Gene Wolfe book.
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kiimo posted:throw in some whale fur from lynch dune I'm in There seems a theme with Dune adaptations of using the sandworms as an obvious fashion motif for at least one character and I am really all for it. Actually in both cases, the character who does so is a direct ancestor of Leto II...
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Fiction needs more cavernous holes
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ElGroucho posted:Fiction needs more cavernous holes You're just consuming the wrong media
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If anyone is interested, mellonbread is doing a write up of the very fun Dune board game in the Fatal & Friends thread. (It's the revised Gale Force 9 version, which I haven't played, not the original Avalon Hill version, but I understand the changes were pretty minimal and for the better.) Not sure how to link to a post in "someone's posts in a thread" list, so scroll to near the bottom of this and you'll find the posts: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3898332&userid=222188&perpage=40&pagenumber=7
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kalel posted:Ugh I've been meaning to read book of the new sun for ages. It sounds really good it's one of the better 'the dark souls of' comparisons, lots of implication, rich texture, sudden unexplained weirdness that sort of makes sense if you think about it. personally i really fell off wolfe's stuff he wrote after 1990 or so, but i dont' think that's a common opinion.
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Ulf posted:The second Hyperion book is the conclusion to the first book, they’re supposed to be read as a pair. I enjoyed the Endymion sequels but I was young and dumb and agree they should probably be skipped. Pretty much agree with all of this. The first Hyperion is amazing and a great piece of art. The second is a nice ending to a big sci-fi epic. After that just skip the next two, they're kind of 'meh', but if you really want to read them go ahead. The Illiad books are..... not my kind of book. Honestly, I think they're just awful. There's a bunch of weird poo poo that you can tell is Simmons id seeping into the books and it's hard to believe that this is the same guy who wrote Hyperion because the writing is so much worse. Also, Simmons is one of those people whose brain broke after September 11th so there's that too.
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Admiralty Flag posted:If anyone is interested, mellonbread is doing a write up of the very fun Dune board game in the Fatal & Friends thread. (It's the revised Gale Force 9 version, which I haven't played, not the original Avalon Hill version, but I understand the changes were pretty minimal and for the better.) they most certainly WERE NOT 
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sebmojo posted:personally i really fell off wolfe's stuff he wrote after 1990 or so, but i dont' think that's a common opinion. I agree. Sometime around the "Soldier of" series my enjoyment of his works fell off a cliff but even a decade after I first read it I'll sometimes get an urge to go through Book of the New Sun again.
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Admiralty Flag posted:If anyone is interested, mellonbread is doing a write up of the very fun Dune board game in the Fatal & Friends thread. (It's the revised Gale Force 9 version, which I haven't played, not the original Avalon Hill version, but I understand the changes were pretty minimal and for the better.) https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3898332&pagenumber=457&perpage=40&userid=0#post522323271 This link might work better for mobile app users
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Admiralty Flag posted:If anyone is interested, mellonbread is doing a write up of the very fun Dune board game in the Fatal & Friends thread. (It's the revised Gale Force 9 version, which I haven't played, not the original Avalon Hill version, but I understand the changes were pretty minimal and for the better.) "favorite board game and a masterpiece of asymmetrical design" is quite high praise indeed. I really haven't liked any asymmetrical board game I've played
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/movies/dune-denis-villeneuve-sound.html Article on DUNC's sound design.
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Jewmanji posted:I haven’t read it, can you give a sales pitch? Imagine a book written a bunch of hidden gems like this that go unrecognized by the narrator: quote:The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in a desolate landscape. It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing a strange, stiff banner. The visor of this figure's helmet was entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection, and nothing more. This warrior of a dead world affected me deeply, though I could not say why or even just what emotion it was I felt Try to imagine that scene before clicking on the spoiler. What did you picture? 
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There's not enough beefswellings and AHHHHH-H-H-H-HHHH-H-H in Book of the New Sun.
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Yadoppsi posted:Imagine a book written a bunch of hidden gems like this that go unrecognized by the narrator:
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Maybe the narrator didn't remeber it exaclty right. 
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Ithle01 posted:Pretty much agree with all of this. The first Hyperion is amazing and a great piece of art. The second is a nice ending to a big sci-fi epic. After that just skip the next two, they're kind of 'meh', but if you really want to read them go ahead. The Illiad books are..... not my kind of book. Honestly, I think they're just awful. There's a bunch of weird poo poo that you can tell is Simmons id seeping into the books and it's hard to believe that this is the same guy who wrote Hyperion because the writing is so much worse. Also, Simmons is one of those people whose brain broke after September 11th so there's that too. The Endymion's approach to high-speed space travel sure was unique though 
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Ithle01 posted:Pretty much agree with all of this. The first Hyperion is amazing and a great piece of art. The second is a nice ending to a big sci-fi epic. After that just skip the next two, they're kind of 'meh', but if you really want to read them go ahead. The Illiad books are..... not my kind of book. Honestly, I think they're just awful. There's a bunch of weird poo poo that you can tell is Simmons id seeping into the books and it's hard to believe that this is the same guy who wrote Hyperion because the writing is so much worse. Also, Simmons is one of those people whose brain broke after September 11th so there's that too. I have a hard time getting into Hyperion, because I saw a YT video about 'the Shrike' and it sounded like the worst kind of edgelord bullshit. 'Oooh, it's got spikes on it's spikes, and even more spikes, and burning red eyes and just grabs you for no reason to put you on a fantasy tree of pain forever'. How does that play out in the books?
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Cheap Trick posted:The Endymion's approach to high-speed space travel sure was unique though Simmons had some really cool ideas for sure. The priest's story is probably my least favorite from Hyperion, but it does seem like it sets up a lot of the future.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:There's not enough beefswellings and AHHHHH-H-H-H-HHHH-H-H in Book of the New Sun. i just finished rereading Shadow and there is a lot of beefswelling
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Martman posted:He's not holding a staff, that's cheating Hmmmm, weird that he didn't remember that correctly *wink wink* Or did he 🤔
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kalel posted:"favorite board game and a masterpiece of asymmetrical design" is quite high praise indeed. I really haven't liked any asymmetrical board game I've played Dune isn't my favorite board game; Cosmic Encounter is.* But Dune was created by some of the same guys, and CE is a game where asymmetry is built into the game experience at a fundamental level -- each player gets a power (or more, possibly hidden until used, both depending on how crazy you're getting) that literally breaks the rules of the game. Some powers are subtle, some overwhelming, but all can be useful. The creators of Dune took their lessons from creating CE forward when they built Dune. It's really breathtaking how tight gameplay is and how well-balanced the factions are once you figure them out. (Aside from the old rulebook: "There's nothing so pitiful as a Harkonnen on CHOAM charity.") It's been at least a decade since I've played but I remember the Bene Gesserit being the only underpowered faction, and that because their special win condition require real- life prescience. (* Cosmic Encounter, especially when played in its wilder variants, is a much worse boardgame but is a top-notch experience generator. I can barely remember playing many better games but there are many rounds of CE I'll never forget because of the drama and the reversals of fortune -- or outright sneaky play -- that went along with them. But it's not a fair and balanced boardgame like Dune.) BeanpolePeckerwood posted:they most certainly WERE NOT Admiralty Flag fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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thoughts and prayers posted:I have a hard time getting into Hyperion, because I saw a YT video about 'the Shrike' and it sounded like the worst kind of edgelord bullshit. The shrike was one of the least compelling parts for me, but at the same time it's largely a background presence. It's worth pressing through for the rest of the stories as many of them are quite unrelated.
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Actually wrt New Sun and Dune its kinda funny that the two movie directors I associate with the style of New Sun are Lynch and Villenueve
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Short answer, AH benefits from a history of people who've discussed the nunaces of complex rules and their possible intersections in Q&A format for clarity. GF9 adds some house rules that were already on the table as options in the Advanced Ruleset, but with relatively little clarification on the details in general and a few glaring fanfic style changes that don't stand up to scrutiny (thopter hijacking lol) 15 -> 10 turns was already how I played with the AH version, I don't see it as some big innovation. Tournament rules is still the way. I'm glad more people have access to the game now, but GF9 took significant liberties imo, and their art is ugly as sin.
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