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Boris Galerkin posted:What information can we get from this? Explain to me like I’m dumb. I'm a computer toucher. (Not for the government or the military, all of this is speculation. I have no special info.) The US will reverse engineer the vehicle and all of the electronics within it. Reverse engineering is the process of very carefully examining or disassembling something to see exactly how it works. For example, if you didn't know how clocks worked you could carefully disassemble one and teach yourself exactly how the clock functions, how to build one yourself, and maybe even how to improve on the design or what flaws the design might have. The same idea is going to happen here. The difference is that, unlike an old timey clock which is made mostly of gears, springs, and other small mechanical bits, the electronic warfare devices inside this truck are made of computer components similar to the physical hardware inside the computer you're using to read this post. Those electronic components can be carefully examined and disassembled to see exactly what they are and how they work. Of course, the electronic components also run software. Software can be reverse engineered too. It's not trivial to do, but the US government and specifically intelligence agencies like the NSA have some of the world's best reverse engineers on the payroll. They can carefully examine the software running inside the electronic warfare devices and determine exactly how it works. So why bother? What's the value in doing this? Here's a list of reasons I can come up with right off the dome: 1) The US will know exactly what this machine's capabilities are. For example, exactly how long its range is, how it detects the enemy, how it disrupts the enemy, etc. (FYI I don't know what the device does, these are guesses.) It's easy to understand why it's valuable to know exactly how close you can get to an enemy while still being outside of their range. Knowing how the device detects its enemies means you can build your own devices and train your troops to avoid doing whatever the device is looking for. Knowing how the device disrupts an enemy means you can harden your systems against that kind of disruption. 2) The US will know exactly what the machine's weaknesses are. For example, is it jammable? Exactly how? Maybe the US can equip its own forces with jammers that will cause this machine to be useless in the field. Its even possible that the machine contains flaws the Russians are unaware of, in the same way that everyday computer software can have bugs. Maybe a blind spot, or a certain signal that can cause the computer to crash. Exploitable flaws are obviously valuable to your enemy. 3) The US will know exactly what the machine's strengths are. This means the US can train to avoid those strengths in combat, and also can simply take any great ideas or technologies and incorporate it into US devices. In war, details about your enemy matter a lot, even minutia that you might at first think is a waste of time. This is why military versions of everyday devices are often secret - for example, detailed performance about military jet engines. You may be tempted to think "Oh it's just an airplane engine, every wealthy country on the planet knows how to build one", but it's the very specific little details that matter. If you're building missiles to shoot down plane X, you drat well better make sure the missile goes faster than the airplane! A little detail like the engine's maximum thrust could make-or-break your weapons system! The bottom line is: Knowing exactly, precisely, how enemy equipment works down to the teensiest tiniest little detail can give you huge advantages in combat if you have the time, knowledge, and resources to take advantage of every little flaw. Chimp_On_Stilts fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Alan Smithee posted:im surprised they would trade bodies for POWs Maybe they need the gear. 
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Randarkman posted:Is that a Maxim gun? I am blown away with all the old equipment being deployed. There was a Cold War and the USSR didn't have stockpiles of LMGs?
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Captain Kosmos posted:Can't find an English version of this news, but it looks like some of the anti-russian messages in the Finnish university were coming from real Ukrainian persons. https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12371862 I wouldn't say this is anything to worry about, in the article its mentioned this happened in 2014 as well, and bomb threats are apparently common against embassies whenever something big is happening internationally.
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Randarkman posted:Is that a Maxim gun? Yup. And the dude behind is toting a bolt action rifle (Mosin?) to really complete the mid-WW2 ensemble. I wonder how many of those 15k or whatever tanks the Russians supposedly have in stocks are going to turn out to be T-34s.
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Randarkman posted:Is that a Maxim gun? lol at first glance i just assumed it was a mortar because a mortar trike still makes a bit of sense in 2022, but yeah it appears to be
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dr_rat posted:Same honestly. The Russian government clearly doesn't give even the slightest of a drat about the welfare of it's soldiers. Possibly the deal was struck by someone in the Russian army who actually does at least care to the bare minimum? I can't speak directly to the TYOOL 2022 Russian military, but accounts from both mujahideen and Soviet observers in Afghanistan in the 80s noted that Soviet soldiers--despite underwater morale, appalling physical conditions, and bunker mentality (sound familiar?)--went to extreme lengths in order to recover the bodies of their own. Apparently without a body, the Soviet government wasn't interested in providing for the soldier's family, and the thought that it might happen to yours was a powerful motivator.
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Randarkman posted:Is that a Maxim gun? Hilaire Belloc posted:Whatver happens we have got
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Budzilla posted:It looks like it. afaik like 99% of the really, really old equipment we're seeing is coming from the separatists who were forcibly enlisting literally everyone and whom Russia has, for reasons beyond my understanding, been preventing from getting supplies so they're giving people literally whatever they can scrounge up. the other 1% are ukrainians literally taking weapons out of WW2 museum exhibits which has popped up several times now
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dr_rat posted:Same honestly. The Russian government clearly doesn't give even the slightest of a drat about the welfare of it's soldiers. Possibly the deal was struck by someone in the Russian army who actually does at least care to the bare minimum? Yeah probably. Wartime poo poo gets weird and it's entirely possible that some absolute nobody with zero rank had a couple of POWs waiting proccesing or whatever and made the trade to get a buddies body back.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:afaik like 99% of the really, really old equipment we're seeing is coming from the separatists who were forcibly enlisting literally everyone and whom Russia has, for reasons beyond my understanding, been preventing from getting supplies so they're giving people literally whatever they can scrounge up. As far as I've read the Russian SOP is to use a lot of militias as sorta "mini buffer states" to soak up enemy bullets/artillery and function as an early warning system. I guess if they're already having huge supply issues there's no priority for giving better weapons to the human decoys, since they're just there to hold ground, do low intensity war crimes and keep pressure off the RU artillery which is doing the bulk of the damage (and large scale war crimes)
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CommieGIR posted:And assuming the Russian troops are well equipped (lol), they are wearing steeltoes and basic socks. If you do not remove your boots/socks often in the field, its easy to get some nasty stuff on your feet. And steeltoes/composite toe shoes tend to keep your toes colder than normal in cold weather. Why would Russian troops be wearing steel toe or even composite toe boots? Is this required in the US army? There is no reason an infantryman would need to wear those unless he is working on a construction site or wants his toes to stay intact when any arty shell drops on him. In regards to the cold weather injuries, it is quite easy even with modern/good equipment to get frostbite and/or other cold weather injuries at the temps Ukraine has been in at night. Unfortunately for the Russians it comes down to training and good officers/NCOs guiding their men to prevent this.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1506644669362540548 I mean all’s fair in warfare but Jesus that’s loving ruthless. Imaging hearing your son was dead from the people that killed him.
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Does Russia have an NCO corps in the same way Western militaries do? IIRC this was one of the pecularities that never went away with the Soviet military, NCOs were not professional and not trained or expected to assume leadership positions, they were mostly technical specialists. Instead junior officers often performed tasks that would have been assigned to NCOs in Western miliaries, though I'm pretty sure there weren't as many junior officers (proportionally) in the Soviet military as you had professional NCOs in for instance the US.
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dr_rat posted:Same honestly. The Russian government clearly doesn't give even the slightest of a drat about the welfare of it's soldiers. Possibly the deal was struck by someone in the Russian army who actually does at least care to the bare minimum? The various generals, soldiers, ministers, bureaucrats, etc. in Russia are all human beings capable of feelings of empathy and comraderie just like yourself. They aren't just mindless monsters who are eager to trample on the backs of their own dead for an opportunity to mutilate their enemy.
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SpiritOfLenin posted:I wouldn't say this is anything to worry about, in the article its mentioned this happened in 2014 as well, and bomb threats are apparently common against embassies whenever something big is happening internationally. Random Integer posted:Yup. And the dude behind is toting a bolt action rifle (Mosin?) to really complete the mid-WW2 ensemble. I wonder how many of those 15k or whatever tanks the Russians supposedly have in stocks are going to turn out to be T-34s. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1223335416226557952 Maxim https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1502174862537752580?s=20&t=XNaVkuWjSm454PYTV6NLPA DP-27  PPSh-41  PPS-43 and Kar98K In 2015 the separatist forces fired up on IS-3 from some museums collection.  Let's just wait for Russians to start to send stuff from Kubinka, there should be some WWI tanks and german prototypes. Let's see how Maus handles in Ukrainian mud. edit: IS-2 to 3 upgrade. Captain Kosmos fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Have any S-400/S-500 AA systems been captured? That’s kind of Russia’s flagship defense product right now, like F 35 is for the US. Would be a big deal if one fell into enemy hands.
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looking forward to the maus vs t-54 duel history was cheated of the first time around
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KitConstantine posted:Looks like the US did get the fancy e-warfare box shipped over here to get torn apart. I hope the Ukrainians made us pay through the nose They wont get anything outa that! Its based on technology that was accidentally capured when pvt john winger crossed into czecheslovkia with a prototype in 1981. The EM-50 urban assault vehicle was ahead of its time. Jokes aide, i hope its capture benefits ukraine greatly.
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Captain Kosmos posted:In 2015 the separatist forces fired up on IS-2 from some museums collection. From the turret profile and wheels, looks like it's the IS-3.
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Reiterpallasch posted:looking forward to the maus vs t-54 duel history was cheated of the first time around Flagellum posted:From the turret profile and wheels, looks like it's the IS-3. Yeah, it's IS-3. Remembered that I was IS-2, checked to make sure, but forgot to change it. Not sure if that's even the tank, it was just in the news picture.
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Fill Baptismal posted:I mean all’s fair in warfare but Jesus that’s loving ruthless. Imaging hearing your son was dead from the people that killed him. There's undoubtedly a motive of sowing dissent against the Russian government involved, but as long as the Ukrainians aren't being dicks about it in the call, I don't see this as a bad thing to do to the family when seemingly their only alternative is having absolutely no idea at all and possibly never getting any closure.
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Fill Baptismal posted:I mean all’s fair in warfare but Jesus that’s loving ruthless. Imaging hearing your son was dead from the people that killed him. There's the Ukrainian phone number where you can call to ask if they have killed or captured your son. Think calling there. Uh...  maybe? pictures of POWs https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/02/27/ukraine-launches-hotline-site-for-families-of-russian-killed-captured-soldiers/
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I don't think these pics have been posted to the thread yet. https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1506900585739698177
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Herstory Begins Now posted:afaik like 99% of the really, really old equipment we're seeing is coming from the separatists who were forcibly enlisting literally everyone and whom Russia has, for reasons beyond my understanding, been preventing from getting supplies so they're giving people literally whatever they can scrounge up. Can't let your disposable puppets get to well equiped. They might start getting... Ideas Plus that money was not doubt being skimmed.
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Alan Smithee posted:im surprised they would trade bodies for POWs Fresh recruits for the army of Z! 
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Ikasuhito posted:Can't let your disposable puppets get to well equiped. They might start getting... Ideas
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Fill Baptismal posted:I mean all’s fair in warfare but Jesus that’s loving ruthless. Imaging hearing your son was dead from the people that killed him. Still better than the alternative of never hearing from your family member again and your govt just shrugs and goes "idk".
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a podcast for cats posted:There were tweets and maybe an article a few days ago that claimed that in some areas Russian bodies were exchanged for Ukrainian POWs.
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Telsa Cola posted:Yeah probably. "and now you get 3 POWs" "we only had 2?" "yes, 2 Ukrainian soldiers and MEEEEEEEE
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ShadowHawk posted:Were the POWs wounded? I imagine the Russian calculus is to gently caress them up enough that they're not going to be back in combat anytime soon. Maybe I'm wrong and they're scrupulously obeying the Geneva conventions, but I doubt ir
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Can someone explain the state of French-Russian relations to me? The number - and length! - of talks between Putin and Macron has caught me by surprise.
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PerilPastry posted:Can someone explain the state of French-Russian relations to me? The number - and length! - of talks between Putin and Macron has caught me by surprise. Macron drew the short straw and has been the designated Putin whisperer for the EU countries during this crisis. He seems to have the best rapport with him. I don't think there is much more to it. Someone has to act as the voice of the European Council.
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PerilPastry posted:Can someone explain the state of French-Russian relations to me? The number - and length! - of talks between Putin and Macron has caught me by surprise. Naively -- maybe very naively -- it feels like mostly ego on Macron's part. He seemed to have been positioning himself as the post-Merkel defender of the western order; he spent a lot of time and effort being publicly visible mediating the tensions before the war, while Biden was releasing intelligence info publicly. When Russia actually invaded, it exposed most of Putin's pre-war statements as overt lies, often to Macron's face. The guy got pantsed on the global scale. I admit my position is influenced by the truly, truly pathetic post-invasion photos of Macron trying to dress casually and look like he's a Leader At Work in elaborately staged photos because pollsters told him Zelensky was polling well wearing camo. I've always felt that Macron got a bit of a bum rep as a stuffed suit but it feels to me like the last few months have exposed that as true in a very palpable way, so, mea culpa for expecting otherwise.
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PerilPastry posted:Can someone explain the state of French-Russian relations to me? The number - and length! - of talks between Putin and Macron has caught me by surprise. Pre-empting a surrender to keep with history.
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Man Plan Canal posted:I admit my position is influenced by the truly, truly pathetic post-invasion photos of Macron trying to dress casually and look like he's a Leader At Work in elaborately staged photos because pollsters told him Zelensky was polling well wearing camo. https://twitter.com/ElHuffPost/status/1500741812310482949?s=20&t=uDYCHzki4hS3P13Tb533og
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Man Plan Canal posted:Naively -- maybe very naively -- it feels like mostly ego on Macron's part. He seemed to have been positioning himself as the post-Merkel defender of the western order; he spent a lot of time and effort being publicly visible mediating the tensions before the war, while Biden was releasing intelligence info publicly. When Russia actually invaded, it exposed most of Putin's pre-war statements as overt lies, often to Macron's face. The guy got pantsed on the global scale. I admit my position is influenced by the truly, truly pathetic post-invasion photos of Macron trying to dress casually and look like he's a Leader At Work in elaborately staged photos because pollsters told him Zelensky was polling well wearing camo.  https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1503489529721901061?s=20&t=SItYbRUTaiEzoEbj7jz5MA This is the guy who spend 26.000€ in makeup. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/25/emmanuel-macron-under-fire-26000-euros-makeup-bill
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Randarkman posted:Is that a Maxim gun? It is, but the PM M1910 variant the soviets made some ~170k of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_M1910 It is at least 70 years old yes, pretty much stolen from some antiques shop in Russia, but at least it fires the same round as Mosin-Nagant the militia seems to be using, not .303 British which would be another nightmare of a logistics to sort out. Those are also watercooled (that jacket around the barrel) so unless the operators actually understand how to operate it, the only thing they can do is ruin the thing by overheating and warping the barrel.
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fuctifino posted:I don't think these pics have been posted to the thread yet. Niiiice, gently caress you russians ship
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