Warhammer Code 30k: Hope Is The First Step On The Road To Disappointment

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Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Those look surprisingly good

e: lol poo poo snype

# ? Mar 9, 2022 01:43

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# ? May 15, 2024 12:05

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

New alleged leaks. They reference the new tank which has been confirmed to be true, so I put some stock into these:

quote:

New "disintegrator" rifles, pistols, and combi-weapons mostly available to centurions and seeker sgts
Rotor cannons are Assault now with Pinning and Shell Shock (1), apparently causing -1Ld to the subsequent Pinning check
Nemesis Bolter, 72" Heavy 1, Sniper, maybe replacing sniper rifles for Legions
Thunder hammers are now Sunder instead of concussive (HELL yeah)
Dark Angels Warlord trait previously leaked as allowing to select bonuses against certain factions lists "Dark Mechanicum" as one faction
Salamanders no also have -1S to incoming plasma, melta, and volkite. -1" charge/run/sweep is gone, Morale bonus now attached to a legion specific Warlord Trait
Raven Guard split into Hawks/Talons/Falcons that confer different bonuses to different unit types
Iron Hands -1S to incoming shooting now applies to all non-vehicle units (including new MC dreadnoughts), all vehicles get 6+ It Will Not Die and Autosimulacra can increase that to 5+
Iron Hands specific reaction to overwatch at full BS twice with Gets Hot!
Iron Father's get a machinator array instead of a servo arm, have Battle Smith (3+)
Toxiferran flamers are now just Poison and Rending instead of Tainted
Flamestorm cannons are no longer AP3 but have Torrent
Volkite Calivers are Heavy 3
The Kratos is a new heavy tank that has a turret battle cannon/melta cannon/volkite turret with 4 weapons across the turret and sponsons, mostly autocannons, heavy bolters, and volkite culverins
All terminators now have two wounds!
Cataphractii and Tartaros are split into different unit profiles
Primarchs and Fortifications have their own Force Org slot
Primarchs can be taken 1 per primary detachment but count towards LoW points
Allied detachments are larger
Destroyer squads split into "Assault" and "Mortis" units
Despoiler squads return and Scout Squads added to tactical and Recon Squads as troops choices
Termites are now universal DT's like rhinos for most things (oh boy)
Most vehicles are now squadrons, including Deredeo talons, Sikarans, Whirlwinds (including Scorpius), all Sicaran variants, predators (in up to 5), Cerberus, and Typhons
Proteus Land Raider has been split into "Carrier" and "Exploratory" variants (presumably just making a different unit entry for the explorator web upgrade)
Space Wolves are getting a "Grey Hunter" unit
All weapons have been rebalanced to be viable (lets see how that goes)
Weapon S can go above 10, but is capped at S10 for wounding but "true" value is used for armor pen and ID
Twinlinked is more or less being replaced with Gravis ala 40k (double shots)
Autocannons and variants now have Rending
Astartes Shotguns have concussive
Demo cannons are AP3 but have rules to increase them above S10 for ID and armor pen
Heavy Bolters are now Heavy 4
Combi-weapons split into "magna" and "minor" types, and both halves of the weapon can be fired at once. "Magna" are melta, plasma, and disintegrator and are one shot, all other variants are not one shot (prettyuch just a cleanup of what we already knew)
Lascannons have Sunder
Gravis blast weapons just use 5" blast instead of 3" (again phasing out twin linked)
Plasma are AP4 Breach (4+), essentially 4+ Rending
Lascutters now also have an 8" S10 AP1 Armorbane shot as well as the melee attack
Speaking of melee, combat blades, chainswords, bayonets, and chain bayonets all have different profiles
Combat blades are base profile
Bayonets are +1S Two Handed
Chainswords have Shred
Chain Bayonets are +1S Two Handed Shred
(Kinda unnecessary imo but I'm not gonna complain about it)
New Charnable weapons, "tabre and stave"
Force stave and power lance have "Reach", whatever that does
Power swords are AP3 Rending, Power Mauls are +2S AP3, Axes remain unchanged
Lightning Claws have Rending, and pairing them gives +2A instead of +1A

Enjoy

BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 9, 2022

# ? Mar 9, 2022 19:23

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Some of my top level thoughts on this- seems that there is an attempt to make the game less lethal and more dice intensive (IE: you don't know the outcome exactly when you engage one unit with another, because there are more ways to get rending/shred/sunder and experience attrition). AP1 and 2 is now very rare. Personally I don't like this, because I want shorter games. These changes would make much more sense if we had the new AP system imo.

I can only speculate about balance, but the changes to demo cannons imply worse AP values for battle cannons, artillery, and the like. How they plan to balance factions that rely on this for killing TEQ/MEQ such as militia and solar aux remains to be seen. Finally, if mauls are truly like this, "they will be everywhere" and I don't know why anyone would take a sword.

# ? Mar 9, 2022 19:25

JcDent: May 13, 2013; Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Maybe the maces will.be more expensive? Ofc, overcorrecting is a thing that GW does.

# ? Mar 10, 2022 11:40

ijyt: Apr 10, 2012

BULBASAUR posted:

Some of my top level thoughts on this- seems that there is an attempt to make the game less lethal and more dice intensive (IE: you don't know the outcome exactly when you engage one unit with another, because there are more ways to get rending/shred/sunder and experience attrition). AP1 and 2 is now very rare. Personally I don't like this, because I want shorter games. These changes would make much more sense if we had the new AP system imo.

I can only speculate about balance, but the changes to demo cannons imply worse AP values for battle cannons, artillery, and the like. How they plan to balance factions that rely on this for killing TEQ/MEQ such as militia and solar aux remains to be seen. Finally, if mauls are truly like this, "they will be everywhere" and I don't know why anyone would take a sword.

swords are cool thats why you take one

# ? Mar 10, 2022 12:44

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

First test paint for my WB boys. The red highlighting does look as... Contrasty, in person. But even still I may tone it down on the other models.

# ? Mar 10, 2022 17:58

Lord_Hambrose: Nov 21, 2008; *a foul hooting fills the air*

Count Thrashula posted:

First test paint for my WB boys. The red highlighting does look as... Contrasty, in person. But even still I may tone it down on the other models.

Heck yeah, always good to see more good religious boys itt.

# ? Mar 10, 2022 18:55

JcDent: May 13, 2013; Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Don't forget those green eyes!

# ? Mar 10, 2022 20:33

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

JcDent posted:

Don't forget those green eyes!

Omg how could I forget! I knew something looked off

# ? Mar 10, 2022 21:16

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

I guess swords have rending? Certainly better than nothing, though a mace will probably be better

# ? Mar 11, 2022 08:08

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

BULBASAUR posted:

I guess swords have rending? Certainly better than nothing, though a mace will probably be better

Suddenly my Machine Killer Vet squad with Maces has another reason to exist!

:getin:

# ? Mar 11, 2022 12:18

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

Painting up some IW Saturnine pattern Tyrant Siege Termites because these models are just too ridiculous not to

# ? Mar 14, 2022 02:07

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Count Thrashula posted:

Painting up some IW Saturnine pattern Tyrant Siege Termites because these models are just too ridiculous not to

That looks ridiculous, I love it

# ? Mar 14, 2022 02:14

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Count Thrashula posted:

Painting up some IW Saturnine pattern Tyrant Siege Termites because these models are just too ridiculous not to

holy poo poo

# ? Mar 14, 2022 05:50

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/21/amazing-adepticon-previews-arrive-this-week-heres-when-to-watch/

its_happening.gif

# ? Mar 21, 2022 15:59

Tiny Chalupa: Feb 14, 2012

Whelp good thing I picked up the Warhammer magazine subscription + another Indomitus box. I should be able to use at least some of them for 30k

# ? Mar 21, 2022 16:49

Lord_Hambrose: Nov 21, 2008; *a foul hooting fills the air*

Tiny Chalupa posted:

Whelp good thing I picked up the Warhammer magazine subscription + another Indomitus box. I should be able to use at least some of them for 30k

# ? Mar 21, 2022 17:27

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

The Necrons are certainly period-appropriate.

:ironicat:

# ? Mar 21, 2022 17:29

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Bait

# ? Mar 21, 2022 18:04

Beerdeer: Apr 25, 2006; Frank Herbert's Dude

My copy of Dominion has me set for Dark Angels

# ? Mar 21, 2022 18:13

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

WE HAVE COME FOR YOU

(Praetor with jump pack)

I really need a better photo setup

# ? Mar 21, 2022 19:05

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

quote this when there's no heresy news at adepticon

# ? Mar 21, 2022 21:19

Major Spag: Nov 4, 2012

BULBASAUR posted:

quote this when there's no heresy news at adepticon

# ? Mar 21, 2022 23:45

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Count Thrashula posted:

WE HAVE COME FOR YOU

(Praetor with jump pack)

I really need a better photo setup

On one hand, nice model my friend

BUT ON THE OTHER, NICE BALL MOUSE :pcgaming:

# ? Mar 22, 2022 00:20

working mom: Jul 8, 2015

BULBASAUR posted:

quote this when there's no heresy news at adepticon

Or it's just another imperial fist special character

# ? Mar 22, 2022 02:16

long-ass nips Diane: Dec 13, 2010; Breathe.

working mom posted:

Or it's just another imperial fist special character

What's wrong with the best legion getting special characters

# ? Mar 22, 2022 02:45

ijyt: Apr 10, 2012

working mom posted:

Or it's just another imperial fist special character

we should be so lucky

# ? Mar 22, 2022 02:45

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

long-rear end nips Diane posted:

What's wrong with the best legion getting special characters

That Remus Ventanus model was pretty good wasn't it

# ? Mar 22, 2022 03:17

Beerdeer: Apr 25, 2006; Frank Herbert's Dude

Endman posted:

That Remus Ventanus model was pretty good wasn't it

# ? Mar 23, 2022 16:30

Ghazk: May 11, 2007; I can see EVERYTHING

I'm unreasonably happy about rending autocannons.

6 and a half hour warning!

Ghazk fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 23, 2022

# ? Mar 23, 2022 20:28

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

holy poo poo Holy poo poo HOLY poo poo

edit-- new HH box coming from GW, new logo, "next evolution" of HH or something to that effect. pictures of Mk VI and Sons of Horus Praetor teased (all plastic). I'm sure pictures will be posted on WarCom later.

edit2- "...and when this new edition lands with this boxed game..." there it is!!

edit3-- here we go:

Count Thrashula fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Mar 24, 2022

# ? Mar 24, 2022 03:51

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

Okay now that my HH2.0 excitement has wanted, here's a Konrad Curze I finished up while watching the Adepticon reveals

# ? Mar 24, 2022 04:23

Stephenls: Feb 21, 2013; [REDACTED]

# ? Mar 24, 2022 04:57

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

you must draw line of sight from each stud

e: new mold tech?

BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Mar 24, 2022

# ? Mar 24, 2022 05:17

Stephenls: Feb 21, 2013; [REDACTED]

BULBASAUR posted:

you must draw line of sight from each stud

e: new mold tech?

More likely the bonding stud pauldrons are split down the middle like on the Dominion Zephon model. Like so:

# ? Mar 24, 2022 06:28

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Some B&C dude posted:

Okay, so... Let me preface this by saying that I am in no way an photoshop expert. These are some very rough comparisons I was able to whip up once I realized that the mk vi marine has one of the skulls from the Box o' skulls pack. I tried to just do a real quick and dirty size comparison as best I can. I know it's not perfect and someone will assuredly make better comparisons soon The comparison are, in order, 1. A primaris reiver, 2. a plastic mk iv tactical, 3. a chaos space marine, 4. a Tortuga Bay Miniatures mk iii torso. I put the same skull on every base in roughly the same place to help try and get the size down right.

# ? Mar 24, 2022 07:56

Tiny Chalupa: Feb 14, 2012

They literally managed to gently caress up the scale for a game they already produced with MK III and MK IV sets for???
Jesus Christ GW.......I was joking about the indomitus thing but maybe I was right.
Guess they gotta get current players to rebuy the entire armies they have already

# ? Mar 24, 2022 12:52

working mom: Jul 8, 2015

Or just ignore it, unless you want to mix armours in a squad itll be hard to tell at a distance

# ? Mar 24, 2022 13:04

ijyt: Apr 10, 2012

Tiny Chalupa posted:

They literally managed to gently caress up the scale for a game they already produced with MK III and MK IV sets for???
Jesus Christ GW.......I was joking about the indomitus thing but maybe I was right.
Guess they gotta get current players to rebuy the entire armies they have already

It will be perfectly fine on table, no doubt. I don't really see too much of an issue but I'm planning on starting a new legion with 2.0 anyway :shrug:

# ? Mar 24, 2022 14:13

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# ? May 15, 2024 12:05

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

I doubt we're going to see too much complaining about slightly bigger marines from a community that has been begging for a real release for almost 2 years now.

# ? Mar 24, 2022 16:22

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