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mystes posted:Saying "cars aren't a replacement for 90% of people" is a dumb response even if you're car brained because (due to the way traffic works) even if you can only get 10% to bike that would massively reduce traffic for people who do drive. "I don't WANT to replace the car. The car sucks. It is wasteful. I want something BETTER than the car."
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I demand complete comfort at all times, and gently caress you for saying that's bad.
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Most people are 100% unable to handle what they perceive as even the slightest criticism. When liberals hear a sentence like "when possible, people should attempt to drive less" or "when possible, people should attempt to eat less meat" they go bonkers because they've built their identity around living "the correct lifestyle." And it doesn't help that every hero built up by the media reinforces this mindset. you won't see obama, stephen colbert, or even any fictional characters in television or film telling people that they should earnestly attempt to move away from cars when possible
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Mar 23, 2022 16:36
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Oh yeah?? What about [edge case that doesn't describe 95% of trips]?! Like, I gripe about cars constantly but I still own and drive one, because yeah it's a reality in most of America. I also try to drive it as little as possible. The two are not incompatible.
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Mar 23, 2022 17:53
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mystes posted:Saying "cars aren't a replacement for 90% of people" is a dumb response even if you're car brained because (due to the way traffic works) even if you can only get 10% to bike that massively reduces traffic for people who do drive. also this is in DC, a compact city where bikes are absolutely a good option for way more than ten percent of people. something like a quarter of district households don't even own a car. this 90% poo poo is the last defense of the car-brained suburbanite unwilling to accept that there are already a lot of people far less car-dependent than they are
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Mar 23, 2022 18:43
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The people whining about bikes are probably commuting from Maryland or Virginia though
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Mar 23, 2022 18:47
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Oh yeah?? What about [edge case that doesn't describe 95% of trips]?! No but you see what if I had to tow a horse float 1000 km?? What about when I'm buying an enormous TV and have to get it home??
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Mar 23, 2022 19:20
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Blackhawk posted:No but you see what if I had to tow a horse float 1000 km?? What about when I'm buying an enormous TV and have to get it home?? "Why not rent the same vehicle, which would roughly cost one monthly payment of buying it if not much less?"
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Mar 23, 2022 19:26
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NAH I'D RATHER HAVE IT BETTER TO HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT THAN NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT HAHA
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Mar 23, 2022 19:26
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:"Why not rent the same vehicle, which would roughly cost one monthly payment of buying it if not much less?" What I love as well is that delivery infrastructure is so prevalent. I got my TV delivered and mounted like… 3 days after purchasing it on Thanksgiving weekend. There’s not much that’s a popular consumer electronic that won’t be on your doorstep within 3-5 days from purchase.
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Mar 23, 2022 19:28
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Boywhiz88 posted:What I love as well is that delivery infrastructure is so prevalent. I got my TV delivered and mounted like… 3 days after purchasing it on Thanksgiving weekend. There’s not much that’s a popular consumer electronic that won’t be on your doorstep within 3-5 days from purchase. Yeah, my local lumber place has gotten me out of the habit of buying (overpriced) wood from Home Depot. I can get any size order, from a box of nails to like enough wood to build a house, for $60 flat. it rules and has eliminated any need for "hauling" in my life
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Mar 23, 2022 19:30
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my favorite is the car-brains that will tell you that, yeah biking is great but once you get to <arbitrary threshold of adultness> you'll NEED a bike. I have one kid and will soon have a second and still do a big chunk of my groceries via bike and still don't own a car. the local car share has been fine for me. yeah it's a pain to get the child seat in and out when I need to but oh well. We've also been taking her on the bus since she was 2 weeks old. plus a shitload of trips are just hauling my solitary rear end to appointments or things like that.
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Mar 23, 2022 19:40
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mystes posted:The people whining about bikes are probably commuting from Maryland or Virginia though yeah i keep seeing people say that they're coming in from ten or fifteen miles away and it's like drat, good thing we built a bunch of metro lines so that suburbanites could get downtown from distances that are impractical by bike. maybe they need some more metro lines out there to reach more suburbs; i don't really know or care about the specifics of their complaints other than to say that it would be a real shame if we demolished the bridges to VA and the highways to MD so that it became a lot harder for these guys to drive in using massive SUVs and then start complaining about bikes
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my favorite carbrain argument is the one that basically comes down to "we don't have enough public transit infrastructure, which is why we shouldn't build more public transit infrastructure"
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https://twitter.com/laternapoiss/status/1506434414900875268?t=dr8m_ANompbLWtW11mzo_Q&s=19
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leftist heap posted:my favorite is the car-brains that will tell you that, yeah biking is great but once you get to <arbitrary threshold of adultness> you'll NEED a bike. I have one kid and will soon have a second and still do a big chunk of my groceries via bike and still don't own a car. the local car share has been fine for me. yeah it's a pain to get the child seat in and out when I need to but oh well. We've also been taking her on the bus since she was 2 weeks old. Not directly related to your point, but I've had to use a car share occasionally and the last couple of times the cars have been in rough shape. The most recent attempt had the car vibrating in proportion to its speed which made for a very short attempt to take it on the highway. Guessing the car share company had to make a choice between maintaining the cars or earning more money. Not saying much here beyond cars are terrible and it's my fault for trying to use one.
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Mar 23, 2022 19:57
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leftist heap posted:my favorite is the car-brains that will tell you that, yeah biking is great but once you get to <arbitrary threshold of adultness> you'll NEED a car. also to the extent that this is true - to the extent that there are a lot of places where people move once they have kids that basically enforce complete car dependency - i don't think they understand that this is exactly what we're pointing at and calling a major problem. the whole point is that most people shouldn't need one or more piece of heavy equipment per family in order to buy a gallon of milk/drop the kid off at school/go to the gym, and spending a few generations building absolutely everything to force lots of people into having to do just that leaves us with a lot of serious problems.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:23
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yeah but have you taken the bus? it sucks! it comes so infrequently and it gets stuck in traffic and there aren't enough busses so i can't get to where i want to go. and you want more of that? pfeh!
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actionjackson posted:do you mean that due to the noise, pollution..? The hot-spun microplastics produced by wearing vulcanized rubber on a hard surface are the size and type most associated with the 40% decline in phytoplankton population seen in the past century. Or: Cars are ending oxygen-breathing life
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Nocturtle posted:Not directly related to your point, but I've had to use a car share occasionally and the last couple of times the cars have been in rough shape. The most recent attempt had the car vibrating in proportion to its speed which made for a very short attempt to take it on the highway. Guessing the car share company had to make a choice between maintaining the cars or earning more money. car share poo poo is absolutely abysmal and once the 3 month honeymoon period when they were brand new and cheap was over, it all immediately dumpstered. like okay yeah cars are absolute dogshit yet there’s enough americans who can get away carfree 98% of the year but can’t break that 2% for various reasons and carshare sucks so bad it can’t even do that one function Freddie’s experience with zip car is about norm now: https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/zipcar-sucks-and-so-does-app-world?s=r
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Car Hater posted:The hot-spun microplastics produced by wearing vulcanized rubber on a hard surface are the size and type most associated with the 40% decline in phytoplankton population seen in the past century. Oh so now you DON'T want all life to end? FLIP FLOPPER
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https://twitter.com/emily_hoeven/status/1506733613617848323?t=X-_0BkYuOJHnz1u0g8iFCw&s=19 lol. not far off letting cars vote
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Let's just pay people to buy gas and burn it in their backyards while we're at it
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distortion park posted:https://twitter.com/emily_hoeven/status/1506733613617848323?t=X-_0BkYuOJHnz1u0g8iFCw&s=19 i hate cars
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$20,000 subsidy for every WFH person who starts commuting to the office by car again for at least 6 months Zero gas tax as long as you buy leaded gasoline Every time a drunk driver who has lost their license runs over a cyclist, it's automatically reinstated for a month Zero interest government home loans to buy a new home at least 100 miles away from your place of work $100,000 to municipalities for every mile of sidewalk they remove mystes has issued a correction as of 22:41 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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I have started taking up horseback riding as part of a project to be able to comparatively analyze all the qualities of all modes of transportation. Turns out cars are the worst!
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So as a bus rider I get $270 worth of bus and people with cars get $400-800 for gas, lol?
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TheMopeSquad posted:So as a bus rider I get $270 worth of bus and people with cars get $400-800 for gas, lol?
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mystes posted:Think of it as a reverse carbon tax Thanks, now I'm even angrier!
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mystes posted:Let's just pay people to buy gas and burn it in their backyards while we're at it Believe the science
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God forbid all the assholes who spend all day rattling my windows when they drive past in their 1,000 horsepower Challengers or M3s should have to cut back a bit on their driving time
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zero knowledge posted:God forbid all the assholes who spend all day rattling my windows when they drive past in their 1,000 horsepower Challengers or M3s should have to cut back a bit on their driving time God actually does forbid that.
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Man I really need to build a new velomobile. Rode my wobbly plastic pedal car to work today and it was fine on the way in but dangerous coming home in winds gusting up to 60 kph. One second you're good and the next you've blown 1m to the side and the body shell is rubbing on the wheels and hitting my feet while I'm trying to pedal.
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drat it really sucks how most of America is forced to depend on cars *government does something to help people during an economic crisis* wow all these poors need to be bulldozed into the centralia fire
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indigi posted:drat it really sucks how most of America is forced to depend on cars love too respond to a simultaneous economic and climate crisis by throwing down subsidies to help the first crisis even if they'll make the second one worse, that's just good politics baby. seriously, it's good politics, and that's why dogshit democratic party figures from biden to newsom are looking at making fossil fuels cheaper you could make this better by pairing it with a far greater effort to build dense housing and public transit, ban sprawl and impose far greater costs on gas guzzlers, but the dems aren't going to do that. we're just gonna do the one where we pay people to drive their cars, and we'll all pay the tab for it later
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$400/car is the funniest loving thing. Why not pay people more the farther they live from work? Or the lower your MPG? How about a bonus payout if you don't carpool.
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indigi posted:drat it really sucks how most of America is forced to depend on cars You could just give everyone the cash. why does car ownership result in extra allocation or resources from society? it's hard enough not being able to afford or not using a car in most places in america - don't then take a poo poo on those people in favour of the (on average wealthier) car users
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Fitzy Fitz posted:$400/car is the funniest loving thing. Why not pay people more the farther they live from work? Or the lower your MPG? How about a bonus payout if you don't carpool. poor people taking the bus pretty much everywhere in the country and paying full fare while sunrise movement pushes to make gasoline cheaper- 'thank god the government is doing something to help people during an economic crisis'
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