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I forgot to mention this, but for the goon who plays doom, make sure there's an updated version of GZDoom/dsdadoom/whatever other source ports you'd like before you swap. I know GZDoom was out of support on MacOS for awhile, and idk if Eternity has a MacOS build (so you'd miss out on Heartland), or DSDADoom for MBF21 maps, etc etc.
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Splinter posted:Has me leaning towards going with a Mac Studio right now (saving ~$1.2k + cost of a quality TB dock compared to how I'd configure a 16") and then waiting to see how the redesigned laptop lineup plays out. once I spec out an M1 Mac Mini the way I want it I may as well spend the extra $300-500 to get a Studio lol Makes me wonder what the take rate on a hypothetical M2 Pro Mini to replace the still-for-sale space grey Intel Mini would be Ultimate Mango posted:I need to whinge that 4tb of storage on a Sudio costs like $1,000. I have basically filled my 3tb fusion drive on my 2015 27” iMac and I just don’t want to get an external raid array to store my files and apps. FWIW the 4 and 8TB models are supposed to be noticeably faster than the ones with smaller storage
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Well, I just pulled the trigger on the base model Macbook Pro 14", picking it up on Monday! I'll be upgrading from a 2009 Macbook Pro 13", bought new that year. Hoping to get another decade out of the new one!
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Ultimate Mango posted:I need to whinge that 4tb of storage on a Sudio costs like $1,000. I have basically filled my 3tb fusion drive on my 2015 27” iMac and I just don’t want to get an external raid array to store my files and apps. One of the benefits of the Studio IMO is that since it's not meant to be portable, you can configure less storage and just add much cheaper external SSDs that are still very fast. I get that only having one drive to manage is nice, but IMO it's hard to justify the price premium just for that. Unless you truly need Apple SSD speeds for all your storage (most people don't), I'd plan on using externals. I'd even consider dropping to 1 TB instead of 2 TB if you can. For reference, 2TB Samsung T7s are only ~$200 a pop for 1000 MB/s speeds.
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ATP which is live right now is taking a chain saw to this thread (the conversations about 5K/versus cheaper options) about the monitors and I'm here for it. LOL.
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LionArcher posted:ATP which is live right now is taking a chain saw to this thread (the conversations about 5K/versus cheaper options) about the monitors and I'm here for it. imagine giving a single flying gently caress what John Siracusa thinks  or Marco Arment lmao
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Where would the 15” MacBook Air fit into the lineup price wise? Somewhere between the 13” and 14” Pro? Replacement for the 13” instead?
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FCKGW posted:Where would the 15” MacBook Air fit into the lineup price wise? Somewhere between the 13” and 14” Pro? Replacement for the 13” instead? 13, and 15 airs. 14 and 16 pros. One weird mid tier 13 inch MacBook also I guess?
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Arivia posted:I forgot to mention this, but for the goon who plays doom, make sure there's an updated version of GZDoom/dsdadoom/whatever other source ports you'd like before you swap. I know GZDoom was out of support on MacOS for awhile, and idk if Eternity has a MacOS build (so you'd miss out on Heartland), or DSDADoom for MBF21 maps, etc etc. Thank you for the heads up! GZDoom’s supported, at least in a “we’re still working on it but it’ll work, probably” capacity. It looks like DSDA Doom’s supported on multiple platforms, but I don’t know how explicitly wedded it is to x86. If it leans on a lot of libraries the biggest challenge could be ensuring all of those are available (or compile-able) beforehand. We are at least at the point where raw hardware grunt can make up for a lack of assembly optimizations a lot of the time, and commenting those out doesn’t usually break stuff.. it just moves to a fallback path instead. If the Power9 machine I ordered last year ever gets here I’ll get to experience all the fun and magic of aarch64 with ppc64le, and then plenty to spare.
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LionArcher posted:ATP which is live right now is taking a chain saw to this thread (the conversations about 5K/versus cheaper options) about the monitors and I'm here for it. Siracusa owns, and the other 2 guys are good I'll take their opinions any day over gooooooons edit: wait, is Siracusa a goon? reveal yourself knave 
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Siracusa owns, and the other 2 guys are good He would never put up with our grammar, and there would be way more talk in here about destiny. Also, he’s significantly smarter than anyone I’ve seen in this thread (I’m including myself in this burn).
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zachol posted:Is it actually the gooncensus that 8gb of ram is barely sufficient for "basic tasks"? 32Gb ride or die. I think 16 on the new architecture is interesting but would still swap too much for the amount of
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zachol posted:Is it actually the gooncensus that 8gb of ram is barely sufficient for "basic tasks"? 8 GB is fine for a machine that just does basic web browsing with a decent handful of tabs and otherwise light tasks (media playback, etc). I'd recommend 16 GB as an entry point to at least give you a bit of leg room in the future or if you plan on using it for gaming at all. 32 GB for professional use, minimum. Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Siracusa owns, and the other 2 guys are good While I can't comment on his opinions on Apple products, I used to work with Siracusa in the past and frankly some professional advice he gave me way back when really helped me in my career now so I can't fault the guy too much.
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zachol posted:Is it actually the gooncensus that 8gb of ram is barely sufficient for "basic tasks"? the amount of ram you should buy is as much as you can afford right now "basic tasks" involve running a dozen copies of chrome thanks to electron, and there aren't going to be a sudden influx of developers who care about making efficient software any time soon
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Ironically, Chrome on macOS can probably make 8GB of RAM cripple to its knees if you open up too many tabs that aren’t just straight text and static images.
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LODGE NORTH posted:Ironically, Chrome on macOS can probably make 8GB of RAM cripple to its knees if you open up too many tabs that aren’t just straight text and static images. For my old job regular chrome use fully taxed a 2019 MBP’s 16Gb of ram. Granted it was like 30 tabs for my regular work and not just text but yeah. My new work is giving me the mid spec “standard” 16 MBP. It arrives tomorrow. I can’t wait.
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That seems really weird. I'd expect 8gb to handle one significant program (Photoshop, modest video editing, a game), a couple streams of video, and maybe 20-30 active tabs without noticing even a hint of issues. Plus like also Discord and something else open at the same time, Atom or VS Code or whatever. One of my PCs was running with only 8gb until a few months ago and it was able to do that?  Like obviously on a new computer today 16gb is the floor for me personally but a normal person should be able to, like, be learning video editing, with that program active, while also watching a tutorial and keeping other webpages open and not run into issues. Or is that what people mean by "basic tasks"?
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hatty posted:Chrome is bad and should be avoided on any OS imo  Including Electron
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zachol posted:That seems really weird. I'd expect 8gb to handle one significant program (Photoshop, modest video editing, a game), a couple streams of video, and maybe 20-30 active tabs without noticing even a hint of issues. Plus like also Discord and something else open at the same time, Atom or VS Code or whatever. you totally can. 8gb is fine for a majority of users despite what people think. a bunch of web apps is probably pushing it. if you afford it tho obv 16gb is freeing. i’d hit memory limits regularly in photoshop at 8 but i was working with large files. 32+ is nice if you work with large datasets (my so has and uses 128 in their imac). anyway gently caress chrome
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Ok Comboomer posted:once I spec out an M1 Mac Mini the way I want it I may as well spend the extra $300-500 to get a Studio lol I probably would have bought a pro mini instead of a max studio if such a thing had existed.
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The Lord Bude posted:I probably would have bought a pro mini instead of a max studio if such a thing had existed. supposedly coming in 2023
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mediaphage posted:supposedly coming in 2023 Yeah but I couldn't wait that long, my PC died a week ago, I'm basically confined to an iphone and an ipad air 2 until my Mac Studio ships.
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Snowy posted:My dad needs to get a new iMac, his is nine years old and failing. He’s in his 80s and doesn’t do much more than internet, Netflix, and email but he does take a decent amount of photos and videos that end up on his computer. You could buy an external drive with tons of room and spend 10 seconds configuring Photos to get its data there. Maaaaaybe get the 16 GB if you fear that one day he'll buy PhotoShop Elements or something with more oomph. A couple of years ago I had to pick out an iMac for my mom and six months in she noticed I only splurged for 8 GB, she had friends over and one of them said 'Why 8 GB' (a loving bakery chef of all people) and I had to arrange selling it to another brother for his kids and getting a new one with 16 GB for mom, so I might just add that 16 GB is better if your dad has nosey Parker friends or if you think he'll tag you for not going for the next better option for your own fam
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I have a 2020 MBP M1 with 8 gigs of RAM and I've done some fairly heavy compositing and editing on this and haven't seen any issues.
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Did anyone in this thread actually pony up $1600 for the Studio Display? Edit: when I used the phrase "actually pony up" I meant "did you trade money for goods" as opposed to "did you think about it" anothergod fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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anothergod posted:Did anyone in this thread actually pony up $1600 for the Studio Display? I've more or less decided I'm going to. My Mac doesn't arrive till early may though so I'm going to pick one up closer to then. Just one last check I have to make is if it has any of the response time/smearing issues that the macbook pro display has - I'm guessing not because they didn't try and cram all those crazy specs in but I want to check first.
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Pingiivi posted:I have a 2020 MBP M1 with 8 gigs of RAM and I've done some fairly heavy compositing and editing on this and haven't seen any issues. I just can't believe you've done heavy editing and compositing on 8 gigs of RAM. I think you may have a different definition of what "heavy" is.
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BonoMan posted:I just can't believe you've done heavy editing and compositing on 8 gigs of RAM. I think you may have a different definition of what "heavy" is. I would say making a 30 minute animation in AE with around 200 comps is fairly heavy. I've also done post production for ~15 years so maybe I have a good workflow.
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Pingiivi posted:I would say making a 30 minute animation in AE with around 200 comps is fairly heavy. I've also done post production for ~15 years so maybe I have a good workflow. we’ve also been working on computers that are not powerful enough for that kind of work for so long, there’s no expectations of good performance especially if you’ve worked for a long time. I remember rotoscoping using AE on a computer with 2gb memory in 2005.
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You can do very heavy editing on any machine using ProRes Proxy media... it's possible. I wouldn't want to do it on a machine with 8GB of RAM, but it's possible.
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Astro7x posted:You can do very heavy editing on any machine using ProRes Proxy media... it's possible. I wouldn't want to do it on a machine with 8GB of RAM, but it's possible. "Possible" and "doing it without any issues" are two totally different things. Editing is one thing, but comping a 30 minute animation in After Effects with 200 comps. There's no way 8 gigs is enough to do that smoothly unless the comps are just super simple text layers or there's some way that Mac handles this that I'm completely alien too. Pingiivi posted:I would say making a 30 minute animation in AE with around 200 comps is fairly heavy. I've also done post production for ~15 years so maybe I have a good workflow. I've been in the VFX/Motion Graphics industry for 15 years as well and 8 gigs of RAM would never cut it to work smoothly no matter the workflow. Unless I'm totally just missing something. Edit: I see you're on the M1 (I missed that the first time) - I wonder if that is a factor. Just launching AE and doing a simple RAM cache would eat 8 gigs of RAM in literally seconds on any normal computer. Does the M1 handle AE wildly differently? BonoMan fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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BonoMan posted:Does the M1 handle AE wildly differently? Unlikely. The current release of AE isn't even native to Apple Silicon yet. It still runs through Rosetta.
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people talking like there weren’t tons of people doing this kind of work for school or business or personal reasons on loving iMacs and dual-core MBPs, and just struggling through it, killing hours of time if need be.
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after careful consideration, i have decided to return the m1 mac mini in exchange for a spec'd out refurb 5k imac. shoutout to the SA mac hardware thread monitor discussion for showing me the way.
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