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The Shortest Path posted:Looks like it'll be the 4c commanders drawn in New Capenna style as a Secret Lair, and the art for them being usable as sleeves in Arena. s o l d
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The 4c commanders aka Atraxa, Breya and the other three fellas.
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This is a bug, right? I copied an attacking Reckoner Bankbuster with Thousand-Faced Shadow on Arena, and got a tapped but NOT attacking copy (it did properly have 3 charge counters on it though) All my Googling says that if you copy a Vehicle while it's a creature, it will ETB as a creature
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precision posted:This is a bug, right? I copied an attacking Reckoner Bankbuster with Thousand-Faced Shadow on Arena, and got a tapped but NOT attacking copy (it did properly have 3 charge counters on it though) "When Thousand-Faced Shadow enters the battlefield from your hand, if it's attacking, create a token that's a copy of another target attacking creature. The token enters the battlefield tapped and attacking." the token is a copy of the vehicle, but the vehicle isn't a creature when it enters so it can't enter attacking. i'm unsure what you googled to get to that search result edit: to be specific, here's that ruling on thousand-faced shadow quote:The token copies exactly what was printed on the original creature and nothing else (unless that permanent is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn't copy whether that creature has any counters on it or Auras and/or Equipment attached to it, or any non-copy effects that changed its power, toughness, types, color, and so on. Notably, it doesn't copy any effects that may have turned a noncreature permanent into a creature. If the token isn't a creature as it enters the battlefield, it won't be attacking.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:07
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Nah, you get a copy of what the card looks like. It's tapped because the copy effect says to put it in tapped. It can be more complicated if you're copying a token made by some other copy effect.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:08
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precision posted:This is a bug, right? I copied an attacking Reckoner Bankbuster with Thousand-Faced Shadow on Arena, and got a tapped but NOT attacking copy (it did properly have 3 charge counters on it though) very curious what googling is producing this answer
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precision posted:All my Googling says that if you copy a Vehicle while it's a creature, it will ETB as a creature All the googling is wrong: quote:707.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied. Basically, a copy enters the battlefield in the default state of the thing it's copying. Vehicles are artifacts by default, they just have an activated ability that allows them to become creatures. So if something enters the battlefield as a copy of a vehicle, it's just an artifact because that ability hasn't been activated.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:11
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I just read on Maro's blog tht the triomes are the only cycling cards in new capenna, because they just wanted to rush the triomes to players. Which means they didn't have to have their stupid new capenna names! You could have just put them in a core set and named them after alara shards! Oh wait you don't do core sets anymore! Ok, how about supplimental? Like Mh2? Pioneer horizons? Even JSH!
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Mar 24, 2022 03:38
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picked up my fat pack today. hmm, these foil lands seem weird... yay, pringles! 
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HootTheOwl posted:I just read on Maro's blog tht the triomes are the only cycling cards in new capenna, because they just wanted to rush the triomes to players. Which means they didn't have to have their stupid new capenna names! i imagine they wanted to put them in the three color set they were planning to do instead of sticking them in a non-three color set? edit: i read maro's post more as 'they didn't want to push the rest of the cycle out into a theoretical future shards set that also had cycling as a main theme' flatluigi fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:picked up my fat pack today. hmm, these foil lands seem weird... That's not weird, that's normal
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HootTheOwl posted:I just read on Maro's blog tht the triomes are the only cycling cards in new capenna, because they just wanted to rush the triomes to players. Which means they didn't have to have their stupid new capenna names! None of those sets are standard legal
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Mar 24, 2022 04:03
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Lone Goat posted:None of those sets are standard legal Who cares? Giving the lands the basic subtyping only matters in formats where you can exploit that. Which isn't standard. There's already three color shard lands that etb tapped if they needed them for the set, or they could have made functional reprints of those. Then they wouldn't be hamfistedly shoving cycling into the set and we wouldn't be collectively using "bant Tyrone Triome" to describe a land that isn't named after either. flatluigi posted:i imagine they wanted to put them in the three color set they were planning to do instead of sticking them in a non-three color set? Same as above: as far as standard goes jund triome is no different than savage lands
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Mar 24, 2022 04:22
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They should have decided a long time ago that in the lore, WBG for example is always called "Abzan" no matter where in the multiverse one is, because no matter what dumb new names they make for 3 color combos, players will always refer to them by their Alara and Tarkir names. It'd also strengthen their branding.
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Mar 24, 2022 04:42
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HootTheOwl posted:Who cares? let's look at the counterexample: people have been wanting the triome cycle finished for a while, and inexplicably this shard set has a set of reprints of worse cards instead of finishing the cycle that people want. why is that an improvement?
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Mar 24, 2022 04:52
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Lone Goat posted:That's not weird, that's normal that sucks, I thought the foils were better recently? whats the best way to uncurl them?
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Mar 24, 2022 05:33
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dragon enthusiast posted:that sucks, I thought the foils were better recently? whats the best way to uncurl them? usually it means your environment is dryer than the printer's, people had good results with humidity packs or similar, and then double sleeving so the card is airtight
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Mar 24, 2022 08:17
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flatluigi posted:let's look at the counterexample: people have been wanting the triome cycle finished for a while, and inexplicably this shard set has a set of reprints of worse cards instead of finishing the cycle that people want. why is that an improvement? It would be an improvement because they first don't have to have a cycling of cyclers in a set without cycling, lowering its complexity. Second they get to call it Grixis triome. Be honest: It's been two years now do you know all five of the existent triomes? I know 1 and am Iffy on 2. But also there's sets in between where they could put the triomes. Like there could have been a land called "Shire Crossroads" or whatever in LOTR that could have been Bant Triome and they could have used the name Bant Triome (like sort of a reverse of the stranger things cards). So right now we have a full cycle of 10, five of which are called triome (a nonsense word I disliked at the time, but it's the name and it stuck) and five of which are whatever.
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Mar 24, 2022 12:39
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HootTheOwl posted:It would be an improvement because they first don't have to have a cycling of cyclers in a set without cycling, lowering its complexity. Second they get to call it Grixis triome. Be honest: It's been two years now do you know all five of the existent triomes? I know 1 and am Iffy on 2. But also there's sets in between where they could put the triomes. Like there could have been a land called "Shire Crossroads" or whatever in LOTR that could have been Bant Triome and they could have used the name Bant Triome (like sort of a reverse of the stranger things cards). So right now we have a full cycle of 10, five of which are called triome (a nonsense word I disliked at the time, but it's the name and it stuck) and five of which are whatever. Okay
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HootTheOwl posted:It would be an improvement because they first don't have to have a cycling of cyclers in a set without cycling, lowering its complexity. Second they get to call it Grixis triome. Be honest: It's been two years now do you know all five of the existent triomes? I know 1 and am Iffy on 2. But also there's sets in between where they could put the triomes. Like there could have been a land called "Shire Crossroads" or whatever in LOTR that could have been Bant Triome and they could have used the name Bant Triome (like sort of a reverse of the stranger things cards). So right now we have a full cycle of 10, five of which are called triome (a nonsense word I disliked at the time, but it's the name and it stuck) and five of which are whatever. Who cares about complexity? Wizards sure doesn't. Every card has a thousand words on it, there's been three vanilla creatures printed in the last year, and is one of the least complicated mechanics of all time. Names don't natter either since everyone is going to call it Grixis triome just like they call the other one Jeskai Triome. I couldn't tell you the name of a single one of the mid or vow duals, because they don't matter.
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It's like the shocklands; I think I can name 3? Steam Vents and Hallowed Fountain? Stomping Grounds maybe? I've seen those lands hundreds of times and I'll just call them the simic shockland or whatever
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Lone Goat posted:Who cares about complexity? Wizards sure doesn't. Every card has a thousand words on it, there's been three vanilla creatures printed in the last year, and is one of the least complicated mechanics of all time. Wizards does, actually, and that's why only some mechanics are considered evergreen. If names don't matter why are you replying at all to the guy saying "I want these cards named differently?" It shouldn't matter, right?
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Drewjitsu posted:It worked for kamigawa. We were joking in the discord that were going to get a wild west homelands set now too. "There ain't enough room in this bottle for the two of us, Cattle Baron Sengir!  
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The Regeneration of Eron Relentless by the coward Baron Sengir
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HootTheOwl posted:Wizards does, actually, and that's why only some mechanics are considered evergreen. They demonstrably don't care about complexity, if they did, why are most of the recent standard sets breaking word count records? Phasing out is vastly more complex than cycling, and has appeared in multiple sets in current standard. Hell, first strike is a more complicated than cycling. Also big fat lmao to the second part. You're the one that's saying these cards shouldn't exist, despite many people wanting them.
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HootTheOwl posted:The Regeneration of Eron Relentless by the coward Baron Sengir
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I'm generally in favor of cards having flavorful names and printing 'Bant Triome' is very much not flavorful, especially if you're putting it in a set where Bant doesn't even exist also again even if you don't give a poo poo about standard they clearly wanted the cards in a standard set, not tacked into the LOTR set or whatever (that's not even out)
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so i'm putting together a pauper cube ("the" pauper cube in fact. it looks well composed and i like that the community have taken it over and are constantly rotating new cards from new sets into it. very cool). when i used to maintain a cube years ago, i almost always played winchester draft and typically played with 2 players. very very occasionally i'd have 4-6 players and we'd just do a straight draft, it worked okay with 6 but the card selection was noticeably worse with 4. i'm coming back to reading about different formats to use with less than 8 players, and there are a dizzying array of them. i now have a reasonably good chance to have a regular 6 at least, and will probably be able to occasionally put together 8. but i may still find myself playing with 2-7, and i was wondering if the thread has some favourite formats at different player counts? there's a lot of good discussion out there, usually from people who understand the statistics of card distribution (and those usually come with methods of assembling booster packs that adhere to the "not-true-randomness" of typical real boosters to help the draft) but also loads of dumbass takes, usually from people who pile and overhand shuffle their decks what's your favourite way to play with 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 players (probably different formats for different player counts)?
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Lone Goat posted:They demonstrably don't care about complexity, if they did, why are most of the recent standard sets breaking word count records? The demonstrable do care or Consider would have Surveil. No, I'm the one saying they shouldn't exist in this perticular set when there's a hundred other ways to achieve the goals while giving them better names.
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flatluigi posted:I'm generally in favor of cards having flavorful names and printing 'Bant Triome' is very much not flavorful, especially if you're putting it in a set where Bant doesn't even exist have they ever reprinted rare dual lands in different plane sets (besides core sets) besides the one time it happened in ixlan? who cares about reprinting them in other sets given they don't ever do that anyway?
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HootTheOwl posted:The demonstrable do care or Consider would have Surveil. Counterpoint: Does it really matter.
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evilweasel posted:have they ever reprinted rare dual lands in different plane sets (besides core sets) besides the one time it happened in ixlan? who cares about reprinting them in other sets given they don't ever do that anyway? Enemy colour of that same cycle were in Innistrad classic and Dominaria.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Counterpoint: Does it really matter. To me it does 
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Counterpoint: Does it really matter. I for one don't need a set to have a themed mechanic. I just want cool cards to play with.
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Sickening posted:I for one don't need a set to have a themed mechanic. I just want cool cards to play with. "I don't need x, I just want it to be fun" is the classic armchair dev trap
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Sickening posted:I for one don't need a set to have a themed mechanic. I just want cool cards to play with. the last non-core set i am aware of that did not have a themed mechanic was homelands i recall trying to make homelands cards fun to play with. i did not succeed.
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Gonna go on a limb and say Capenna will likely have a named mechanic other than cycling, possibly even 5 of them!
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Lone Goat posted:Gonna go on a limb and say Capenna will likely have a named mechanic other than cycling, possibly even 5 of them!  at least one of them will be "kicker, but"
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But doctor... I am kicker
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