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indigi posted:drat it really sucks how most of America is forced to depend on cars If the government bails people out the second gas prices go up, there is literally no need to consider fuel economy when you buy a car or what will happen if gas prices go up. Something temporary like this might be okay if it was combined with a long term plan to get people into more fuel efficient cars and out of car dependent suburbs, but that's not what is happening. The government is just saying "don't worry about it; if there's a problem we'll take care of it for you". People will continue to move farther and farther away from work and the government will then have to work harder and harder to make sure that those people are insulated from their bad decisions. This is even worse when we already need to be reducing carbon emissions. Additionally, there are major housing shortages in most cities because of stupid zoning and people in the US have most of their net worth tied up in houses (and the government pursues policies which continue to make that worse). This means that people aren't going to be able to move closer to work which is the best solution in the long term. Just telling people "america is a country of cars so feel free to burn as much gas as you want on us" is incredibly stupid We impose ridiculously excessive restrictions on poor people receiving welfare and other programs, ostensibly we're trying to get them working so they can get off the programs. But when it's richer people with multiple cars we just hand out money like candy with no strings attached without anything to incentivize people to start burning less gas. And oh no, if you criticize that you must be anti poor. What a loving joke. mystes has issued a correction as of 15:04 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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connecticut, arguably one of the states most damaged by car culture, just waived its gas tax lol https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/lawmakers-vote-to-suspend-state-gas-tax/2747024/ quote:The Connecticut General Assembly passed a three-month suspension of the gas tax Wednesday.
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They have to pay for the roads somehow so I guess they'll just have to institute a $20/mile vmt tax for bicycles.
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I feel like DMV fees should be 8-16 times higher for SUV / pickup truck drivers than for beta Honda Civic drivers like me. Since that's how much more their vehicles degrade the roads.
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lol premium in CA is >60 cents more than the next highest state atm, 6.21 in CA, 5.58 in NV I use premium but I think the last time I filled up was three months ago
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WaryWarren posted:I feel like DMV fees should be 8-16 times higher for SUV / pickup truck drivers than for beta Honda Civic drivers like me. Since that's how much more their vehicles degrade the roads. you could probably get the right wing to support this if you did it as a per lb. fee and framed it as an anti-EV thing lol
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distortion park posted:https://twitter.com/emily_hoeven/status/1506733613617848323?t=X-_0BkYuOJHnz1u0g8iFCw&s=19 Seems easier to just send that money to the oil & car companies and ask them to cut us a little break if it's not too inconvenient for them
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this looks dumb but it would actually be great and lead to mass gas shortages + a thriving black market.
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:love too respond to a simultaneous economic and climate crisis by throwing down subsidies to help the first crisis even if they'll make the second one worse that is not the fault of poor workers
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"corporate greed" as an explanation for increased gas prices is always kind of lacking. they weren't less greedy when prices were lower. like sure, it's true in a sense, but if you find yourself falling off a cliff is "gravity" a good explanation for why? it was still there when you were on the top of the cliff, that you jumped off seems like the more powerful explanatory factor.
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WaryWarren posted:I feel like DMV fees should be 8-16 times higher for SUV / pickup truck drivers than for beta Honda Civic drivers like me. Since that's how much more their vehicles degrade the roads. My tiny motorcycle that i could pick up if i wanted to has the same weight fee on the registration as the 4000lb grand marquis that i had for a while
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indigi posted:that is not the fault of poor workers cool let's give "poor workers" money, seems like the more relevant class than "car owners"
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Dog Case posted:My tiny motorcycle that i could pick up if i wanted to has the same weight fee on the registration as the 4000lb grand marquis that i had for a while France has a truly beautiful version of this 
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distortion park posted:cool let's give "poor workers" money, seems like the more relevant class than "car owners" I know you already know this and just want to flex about how much you hate cars but this, too, is not the fault of poor workers, neither are car owners the only recipients of benefits under this bill
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we must accelerate polluting the planet for poor people's sake
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SKULL.GIF posted:we must accelerate polluting the planet for poor people's sake lol
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indigi posted:I know you already know this and just want to flex about how much you hate cars but this, too, is not the fault of poor workers, neither are car owners the only recipients of benefits under this bill I did some maths (read the tweets) and it's more than 3x as much for the car owners. I don't think that being a car (that's how they count, not by person) should be disqualifying to receive support for increased cost of living, only that it shouldn't be the main factor. At least it's a cash grant and not like petrol vouchers or something even dumber.
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if the vast majority of funding isn't going towards getting us off car dependence, it's a bad bill
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distortion park posted:I did some maths (read the tweets) and it's more than 3x as much for the car owners. I don't think that being a car (that's how they count, not by person) should be disqualifying to receive support for increased cost of living, only that it shouldn't be the main factor. I fully agree with this. they probably should just take the money and add a bunch of bus lines and make public and inter-city bus/rail transit free (ideally forever)
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gotta get cars off the road if we're gonna alleviate these problems for anyone, cheaper gas doesn't matter if all the cars are stuck in a traffic jam.
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indigi posted:that is not the fault of poor workers no poo poo dude. it is the fault of our deep national addiction to cars, and for every dime that's going towards addressing it there's another dollar going towards deepening that addiction Electro-Boogie Jack has issued a correction as of 19:08 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:gotta get cars off the road if we're gonna alleviate these problems for anyone, cheaper gas doesn't matter if all the cars are stuck in a traffic jam. It's a good thing California is offering an extra $400 rebate on your new second car
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Doing it per car is just about the stupidest possible way it could have been done.
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leftist heap posted:Doing it per car is just about the stupidest possible way it could have been done. If a car can't get a rebate that's discrimination
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just saw someone on Twitter describe it as universal basic income for cars
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banks and cars were bailed out before the worker 
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Fitzy Fitz posted:$400/car is the funniest loving thing. Why not pay people more the farther they live from work? Or the lower your MPG? How about a bonus payout if you don't carpool. WaryWarren posted:I feel like DMV fees should be 8-16 times higher for SUV / pickup truck drivers than for beta Honda Civic drivers like me. Since that's how much more their vehicles degrade the roads. wow can’t believe the support for means testing inside this thread 
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Fuel efficient at any size
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withak posted:One car, one vote
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Yeah it sucks that people with low income have to drive because our infra sucks rear end and they can't afford gas and everything is getting extremely expensive, sooooooooooooooooo why not just money instead of gas vouchers??? Give us agency to make our own decisions??? 4real I'd be just fine with giving gas vouchers to car owners under a certain income level IF there was a concrete plan in place to improve public and mass transportation, put large cities on road diets, increase density, fix zoning, plant some goddamn plants and trees instead of concrete and manicured lawns, improve cycling infrastructure, etc etc etc. but there's not, so gently caress gas vouchers. We are literally killing ourselves with cars and not just because of the environmental problems. Something's gotta give. otherwise all we're doing is straight up guzzling the cum of the board members of corps like General Motors and Exxon, and letting it drip slowly down and lapping it right back up of the dirty floor like the animals we are.
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indigi posted:drat it really sucks how most of America is forced to depend on cars 
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a_pineapple posted:Yeah it sucks that people with low income have to drive because our infra sucks rear end and they can't afford gas and everything is getting extremely expensive, sooooooooooooooooo why not just money instead of gas vouchers??? Give us agency to make our own decisions??? same reason landlords got rent relief during covid
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ArmZ posted:same reason landlords got rent relief during covid They were so concerned with the poors mishandling and touching relief money that there were massive scams from middle managers on up to ensure the poors weren’t fiscally irresponsible god forbid
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Magic Hate Ball posted:yeah but have you taken the bus? it sucks! it comes so infrequently and it gets stuck in traffic and there aren't enough busses so i can't get to where i want to go. and you want more of that? pfeh! Yo, gently caress busses. If it's not on rails, it's a car-brained excuse for public transit without creating capital improvements. Those busses that use the overhead lines are ok, I guess, but just build rails and close roads.
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indigi posted:drat it really sucks how most of America is forced to depend on cars Agreed.
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leftist heap posted:Doing it per car is just about the stupidest possible way it could have been done. why do you hate poor people!?
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lmao just handing out money because people own cars is a pretty appalling level of hell world
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:lmao just handing out money because people own cars is a pretty appalling level of hell world providing cheap oil to the masses is the modern divine right of kings to rule. we've already subsidizied frakking which has lost like $600 billion dollars and only made to happen through financial wizardry backed by the Fed. we're going to start printing money to pay people to buy gas, directly pay exxon and bp, and open up every last natural preserve we have.
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Xaris posted:it’s completely true Yep my car share highway deathmobile was a zip car. They're definitely not checked or maintained at all until a customer calls support and refuses to drive one due to safety reasons. Sharing cars to avoid unnecessary vehicle ownership is not a terrible idea in itself, but the profit motive results in a fleet of permanently under-maintained borderline dangerous cars. Moreso than most of the other cars on the road.
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