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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1507360792500449300 Putin isn't even the biggest obstacle to that - there's no way Ukraine will go for it. I'm sure Putin will wish he can end the war as unilaterally as he started it but if he stops at Mariupol then withdraws his troops it'll be a complete defeat.
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Chalks posted:Putin isn't even the biggest obstacle to that - there's no way Ukraine will go for it. I'm sure Putin will wish he can end the war as unilaterally as he started it but if he stops at Mariupol then withdraws his troops it'll be a complete defeat. I'm assuming that Putin thinks they can dig in and defend, which....best of luck to them.
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Hand Row posted:That’s not the the Snake Island guys, those are other people there. Oh drat, says unconfirmed if those guys are amongst them. I got overexcited. Sorry!
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CommieGIR posted:I'm assuming that Putin thinks they can dig in and defend, which....best of luck to them. Yeah, feels like the fundamental issue remains that they will need to send multiple tens of thousands of troops to reinforce these positions they've taken if they hope to hold them indefinitely.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, again, Ukraine is gonna go "Oh that's nice, you've stopped fighting. We haven't" exactly, this cover for when poo poo implodes the Russian forces will just leave/retreat.
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If Putin genuinely believes what he spouts about gender etc, I wonder if he ever will be explained how he misunderstood it and realizes that he could have been an economic superpower just by playing it better. If it's just propaganda to get conservative Russians to side with his imperialistic ambitions, then it doesn't matter anyway.
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CommieGIR posted:I'm assuming that Putin thinks they can dig in and defend, which....best of luck to them. Just have Putin do the GW Bush "mission accomplished" thing on an aircraft carrier only the carrier gets hit by a MLRS barrage half way through the speech
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1507317719091318786?s=20&t=BNhV4RyWicHS5Usuxb4o5g This is really clever but probably not clever enough to keep that editor from getting arrested.
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Mariupol was ALWAYS the objective. It's a city that can prop up a Novo Russia with it's huge industrial centers and sea access. They will probably end up land bridging. But hopefully the ukrainians encirclement of the Nazi menace in west Kyiv destroys a ton of Russian combat effectiveness.
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eke out posted:Yeah, feels like the fundamental issue remains that they will need to send multiple tens of thousands of troops to reinforce these positions they've taken if they hope to hold them indefinitely. They also have to support and supply those troops. In addition to the dumb bombs here's an indication of the state of the military medical supply stores: https://twitter.com/CombatAir/status/1507305453755277314?s=20&t=WOSqY87-qlFle2eYNx-q2Q Which likely means Russia is losing functionally irreplaceable troops to what would, in any other modern military, be treatable wounds.
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KillHour posted:This is really clever but probably not clever enough to keep that editor from getting arrested. Its either someone with a broken irony meter or a call for help.
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Chalks posted:Just have Putin do the GW Bush "mission accomplished" thing on an aircraft carrier only the carrier gets hit by a MLRS barrage half way through the speech
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KillHour posted:This is really clever but probably not clever enough to keep that editor from getting arrested. Russian journalism seems to contain some of the bravest people on earth along with the usual array of craven toadies
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KitConstantine posted:They also have to support and supply those troops. In addition to the dumb bombs here's an indication of the state of the military medical supply stores: Legs and arms getting chopped instead of dressed. Wow putins war machine is just so good
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^^^^^ Except they seem to have blown up a bunch of AzovStal stuff? Chalks posted:Just have Putin do the GW Bush "mission accomplished" thing on an aircraft carrier only the carrier gets hit by a MLRS barrage half way through the speech I think all the smoke makes Admiral Kuznetov a bad spot for photo-ops.
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Chalks posted:Just have Putin do the GW Bush "mission accomplished" thing on an aircraft carrier only the carrier gets hit by a MLRS barrage half way through the speech You don't need to shoot at the Kuznetsov to make it sink - it longs to be one with the sea, even when at a drydock.
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This account has been dropping some hard sarcastic about celebrating the implementation of the Z-operation. Google Translate seems to capture it well, Russian speakers please clarify if it doesn't. https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1507368276732620828 https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1507367396989939738 https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1507020849605328899
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CommieGIR posted:Its either someone with a broken irony meter or a call for help. Maybe I give people too much credit but that reads as completely intentional to me. It's not just a headline - the entire page is blank. It's literally saying "there is no news don't bother buying a newspaper" which is not something you say if you genuinely want people to believe things are normal.
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Yeah, that front page is clearly a protest against censorship and being told what to print. It's drawing attention to how ridiculous the official line they're being told to parrot is.
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Chalks posted:Putin isn't even the biggest obstacle to that - there's no way Ukraine will go for it. I'm sure Putin will wish he can end the war as unilaterally as he started it but if he stops at Mariupol then withdraws his troops it'll be a complete defeat. its because he has no good way out. if he some how manages to take ukraine, it will be a super insurgency and he will be bled to death, if he bombs it to dust or WORSE, then he risks super isolation and active western fighters coming in not to mention all the fun escalations. if he retreats, he shows his belly to everyone and is hosed domestically. in all options his soft power is gone and his hard power is crippled for decades. he is hosed.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Mariupol was ALWAYS the objective. It's a city that can prop up a Novo Russia with it's huge industrial centers and sea access.  Kherson, in the left, is actively under attack by Ukrainian forces. Mariupol is not only further from Crimea, but it doesn't even complete the land bridge, and Ukraine being close to Kherson means they could easily eventually directly threaten any roads to/from Crimea. Mariupol isn't going to do anything for Russia and is only being captured because its so deep behind Russia lines and so close to DNR/LNR to make it easy to siege. Wasting so many resources on a city that is mostly shelled to dust gains them nothing industrially, and doesn't secure anything for them, and pins down forces that need to actually be nearer to Melitopol if they want to secure a land bridge.
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Ola posted:This account has been dropping some hard sarcastic about celebrating the implementation of the Z-operation. Google Translate seems to capture it well, Russian speakers please clarify if it doesn't. wasnt girkin behind all the donbas poo poo. i wouldnt be shocked if he isnt happy that putin hosed it all up.
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eke out posted:Yeah, feels like the fundamental issue remains that they will need to send multiple tens of thousands of troops to reinforce these positions they've taken if they hope to hold them indefinitely. Yeah that is their biggest issue. Let's say they are able to actually take Mariupol which will likely be long and bloody to actually clear it they would have to invest a ton of man and material to hold it lest you have either insurgents or the Ukrainian Army to swoop in and retake it without much fuss. If they invest all the resources to defend Mariupol it takes away from all the other fronts they have ongoing. Even if Russia ends up taking Mariupol they lose. Much like the rest of their end of the campaign there is no path to victory at this point. They are just wasting blood and treasure to prolong the inevitable. Everything they use is something that they can not easily replace any time in the future.
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CommieGIR posted:
also like... Odesa is obviously the cultural capitol Russia wanted and would've been a literal symbol of their return to empire, a burnt down Mariupol is not some industrial powerhouse and it's not a hugely important Black Sea port like Odesa. eke out fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Gort posted:Yeah, that front page is clearly a protest against censorship and being told what to print. It's drawing attention to how ridiculous the official line they're being told to parrot is. yeah there's literally zero chance that isn't absolutely, completely deliberate
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Gort posted:Yeah, that front page is clearly a protest against censorship and being told what to print. How does censorship in Russia work anyway? I don't suppose there are state censors looking over the shoulders of every editor before anything goes to print so I guess it's more a case of getting arrested/shut down after the fact if you don't toe the line?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Mariupol was ALWAYS the objective. It's a city that can prop up a Novo Russia with it's huge industrial centers and sea access. Well, it certainly was a city. Not sure what's going to be left once they're done. The infrastructure damage looks pretty immense, and that's before getting into the killed/fled/deported population.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wasnt girkin behind all the donbas poo poo. i wouldnt be shocked if he isnt happy that putin hosed it all up.
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Gort posted:What's in it? Dead blurred civilians, very crusty granma, 8yo boy in coma shrapnel in neck, dies later, destroyed buildings. Fun realized that my oldest boy is 8yo.
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 I suppose this is one way to conceal an imminent invasion. Be too incompetent at running one that observers think it can only be a bluff.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, again, Ukraine is gonna go "Oh that's nice, you've stopped fighting. We haven't" Strong Minitrue vibes 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wasnt girkin behind all the donbas poo poo. i wouldnt be shocked if he isnt happy that putin hosed it all up.
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FishMcCool posted:Well, it certainly was a city. Not sure what's going to be left once they're done. The infrastructure damage looks pretty immense, and that's before getting into the killed/fled/deported population. Worth noting as well: Industry is useless without the experience operators/workers to handle it. A lot of that knowledge is almost down to individual people. That industry is going to be useless for months, if not years.
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CommieGIR posted:
yeah sounds about right. Mariupol is only wanted because they couldn't get it the last time, hence the Stalingrad fight. but they didnt really gain poo poo. except lose a gently caress ton of people that could have been used elsewhere. Dwesa posted:it's not real Igor Girkin, just someone's parody account ty.
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A few boat updates The two smaller ships potentially damaged in the Berdyansk explosion are headed back to Sevastopol. https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1507356001531572225?s=20&t=WOSqY87-qlFle2eYNx-q2Q There's also a ship with some big guns lingering just off Odesa and some other Russian ships around Snake island https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1507341628008288305?s=20&t=WOSqY87-qlFle2eYNx-q2Q The US is* working on arranging shipment of anti-ship missiles so things could get a little more spicy on the Black sea for Russia *Edit for correction KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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PerilPastry posted:How does censorship in Russia work anyway? I don't suppose there are state censors looking over the shoulders of every editor before anything goes to print so I guess it's more a case of getting arrested/shut down after the fact if you don't toe the line? Primarily through any major media being controlled by Putin people. (Gazprom takeover of NTV is a huge factor; Meduza exists because when lenta.ru got too popular all its journalistic staff got forced out). Imagine if Murdochs owned all of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN along with Foxnews and all the major newspapers. For the smaller stuff, a lot of the later, plus a bunch of explicit rules, like having to call Ukrainian nationalist groups "forbidden in Russia organization X"[1], or having to print disclaimers about how this media organization is a "foreign agent". [1] Which led to snark like "allowed in Russia organization Hizbollah".
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Dwesa posted:it's not real Igor Girkin, just someone's parody account Igor Merkin?
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Chalks posted:Putin isn't even the biggest obstacle to that - there's no way Ukraine will go for it. I'm sure Putin will wish he can end the war as unilaterally as he started it but if he stops at Mariupol then withdraws his troops it'll be a complete defeat. Related, by a political analyst in Kyiv: Ukraine will not surrender one inch of land to Russia – the west must understand this quote:Western analysts are trying to develop different scenarios for Russia’s actions in Ukraine. The “menu” is expansive: a protracted conflict with a gradual transition to low-intensity hostilities; a nuclear disaster; the use of chemical or biological weapons to bring victory in land operations; political compromise on the side of Ukraine and others. Putin will be done fighting long before the Ukrainians are.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Mariupol was ALWAYS the objective. It's a city that can prop up a Novo Russia with it's huge industrial centers and sea access. It has been reduced to rubble. It’s very obvious that they don’t care at all about it’s industrial centres, and Azov sea ports is not something Russia needs more of. PerilPastry posted:How does censorship in Russia work anyway? I don't suppose there are state censors looking over the shoulders of every editor before anything goes to print so I guess it's more a case of getting arrested/shut down after the fact if you don't toe the line? Yeah, like that, for the outlets not staffed by government people. Ola posted:This account has been dropping some hard sarcastic about celebrating the implementation of the Z-operation. Google Translate seems to capture it well, Russian speakers please clarify if it doesn't. Yeah, they’re mocking funerals of Russian troops. Dapper_Swindler posted:wasnt girkin behind all the donbas poo poo. i wouldnt be shocked if he isnt happy that putin hosed it all up. That’s not Girkin’s account.
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