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Spoiler tag that Death Stranding poo poo.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 13:03 |
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# ? Jun 6, 2024 05:39 |
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HootTheOwl posted:There;s some Commander Balder's Gate spoilers up. Free death trigger every turn from legend ruling a Boo, if your first one is still alive Poor Boo
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 13:33 |
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Ownership of a miniature giant space hamster implies that he has been to at least two (2) D&D settings, Spelljammer and FR, so I guess that kinda counts.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 13:50 |
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Or he got hit in the head.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 14:33 |
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Aranan posted:Or he got hit in the head. That's how a lot of people activate their spark.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 14:44 |
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You all see this blurb about "Customize them [your commander? your legendaries? your deck?] with new and powerful Background cards." I hope this isn't another Companion debacle. Maybe only certain Legendary creatures get access to Background cards so they are more flexible and customizable as your Commander. edit: This may also be why the Precons are listed as only having 98 cards.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:09 |
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AngryBooch posted:
Oh, maybe it's like Partners with but where only the background has a requirement. Or they're like conspiracies?
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:25 |
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Patrick Sullivan talked about it a bit on Resleevables (RIP), but Companion as a mechanic is an incredibly deep design space that's now off-limits for R&D due to them completely loving up the initial launch. I can understand the desire to go back to it.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:31 |
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Moar Pakos forever! Forever good boy!
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:36 |
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Froghammer posted:Patrick Sullivan talked about it a bit on Resleevables (RIP), but Companion as a mechanic is an incredibly deep design space that's now off-limits for R&D due to them completely loving up the initial launch. I can understand the desire to go back to it. It's an incredibly deep design space that's continually being explored in this format called Commander, where singleton, deck size, and multiplayer features lead to more variations in games than they would in 4 copy 60 card competitive constructed formats.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:44 |
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Froghammer posted:Patrick Sullivan talked about it a bit on Resleevables (RIP), but Companion as a mechanic is an incredibly deep design space that's now off-limits for R&D due to them completely loving up the initial launch. I can understand the desire to go back to it. Yeah like when you think about it it's kinda like Vanguard on mtgo where it has an enormous amount of depth of possibilities for modifying a game. But you have to trend low in powerlevel with it because if you have a tradeoff that certain decks can ignore the drawbacks of then you've suddenly created a massive imbalance.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:45 |
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AngryBooch posted:It's an incredibly deep design space that's continually being explored in this format called Commander, where singleton, deck size, and multiplayer features lead to more variations in games than they would in 4 copy 60 card competitive constructed formats. Yeah but people want to play it in good formats (draft)
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:53 |
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HootTheOwl posted:Oh, maybe it's like Partners with but where only the background has a requirement. I wonder if it'll be the sets version of Prismatic Piper. Mainly a mechanic to smooth out the deck restrictions in the draft format. Though 2-3 years ago there was a Game Knights where they all drafted Brandon Sanderson's Commander Cube and he had a custom feature that sounds similar to help the color restriction. After you drafted you could choose an ability to attach to your commander. Mainly stuff like adding a color to your commanders identity or letting you play one minion a turn that gains your commanders creature type. Maybe they used that for inspiration.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:59 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I wonder if it'll be the sets version of Prismatic Piper. Mainly a mechanic to smooth out the deck restrictions in the draft format. Command Zone Mutate
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:11 |
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My guess is that they'll be conspiracy like things that sit in your command zone giving your commander some extra ability and/or extra colour identity, and that like conspiracies they'll only be allowed in draft. Lets them apply to any commander in a draft without cluttering up the text of every commander and without completely breaking the wider non-draft game.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:15 |
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Obviously it can't be judged on the same Standard since it's a Commander card, but WTF that card. It might be able to be judged in Alchemy because they're bringing a bunch of cards over for some reason lol: https://mtgazone.com/battle-for-baldurs-gate-alchemy-horizons/ Froghammer posted:Patrick Sullivan talked about it a bit on Resleevables (RIP), but Companion as a mechanic is an incredibly deep design space that's now off-limits for R&D due to them completely loving up the initial launch. I can understand the desire to go back to it. I forget if it was Rosewater or Forsythe but I think one of them said the biggest problem with Companion right now is coming up with conditions that work. fadam fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 25, 2022 |
# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:24 |
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Here's a design space that could be fun for a commander product with plenty of testing. [Keyword] Whenever ~ would be put into the graveyard, you may move it to the command zone. While it is in the command zone your commander has all static, activated, and triggered abilities on the card. Kind of like a narrow version of Incarnations.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:48 |
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fadam posted:I forget if it was Rosewater or Forsythe but I think one of them said the biggest problem with Companion right now is coming up with conditions that work.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:25 |
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I wasn't around for companions, how did they gently caress them up?
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:30 |
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big cummers ONLY posted:I wasn't around for companions, how did they gently caress them up? Two of them are insanely good with not much of a drawback and almost all the rest are useless
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:33 |
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They wildly undercosted them and overestimated how far down the downsides needed to be to make up for having an 8th card. Originally you didn't have to pay 3 to move them to your hand, and even after the entire mechanic was weakened Lurrus proved to be one of the most powerful cards ever printed.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:33 |
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Goa Tse-tung posted:Brass Dragon is the wrong name. Either give it another color (hello everything about them is red!!!) and ability or just name it some crystal variant or whatever. It's exactly like making the two White Dragons in AFR actually white dragons. I would even say it's worse since White can at least tenuously be connected to previous ice-based cards
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:33 |
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Also originally you could put your companion in your hand for free which is insane
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:34 |
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Froghammer posted:I think the actual biggest problem with Companion is that they hosed up the initial batch of cards so badly that the fanbase never wants to see the mechanic come back ever again I'd be okay with it coming back if they were closer to like, Jegantha than Yorion/Lurrus. If they banned Yorion to go with Lurrus, could they rework Companion so that it works as written without breaking any formats? I know the sea monster guy with the even deckbuilding restriction was strong in Legacy before the errata but idk if that was just hype. fadam fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Mar 25, 2022 |
# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:36 |
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Also originally you could put your companion in your hand for free which is insane It didn't go into your hand, you could cast it from your sideboard.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 19:56 |
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Some land trivia https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/679721472534659072/hey-marko-just-curious-why-plains-is-the-only quote:
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 21:11 |
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Also with companions, it needs to be obvious if you have failed the deck building requirements. So, say, "only even CMC" or "no permanent with CMC greater than 2" works, but something like "exactly the same amount of even and odd CMCs" or "you have to include exactly 4 copies of each non land card in your deck" wouldn't. Fake edit: of these, Lutei comes the closest to not working, as you might, theoretically, want to include 2 copies of a key card to make sure you draw it, and just never play the second copy if you get it. Still a huge risk though.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 21:14 |
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Some land trivia I do like hearing stories about Magic during its inception. Richard Garfield every time he is invited back it produces a banger of a set (OG ravnica, OG innistrad and dominaria) it would be great if he came back for the brothers war. Also AFAIK he created sagas in dominaria which have proved to be great design.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 21:31 |
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Froghammer posted:Patrick Sullivan talked about it a bit on Resleevables (RIP), but Companion as a mechanic is an incredibly deep design space that's now off-limits for R&D due to them completely loving up the initial launch. I can understand the desire to go back to it. Froghammer posted:I think the actual biggest problem with Companion is that they hosed up the initial batch of cards so badly that the fanbase never wants to see the mechanic come back ever again
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 22:10 |
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Watched the GMM video from this morning, if I would hazard a guess, the Jund family is going to have a Fight subtheme. The art for their triome is a boxing ring and Gavin said there's going to be a card in the Commander decks with a Boast ability but triggers off of Fighting instead of Attacking. I wonder if we'll get something like Punching Above Your Weight class Target creature gets +3/+3 and fights target creature an opponent controls. Or boxers that get pluses to power when fighting like pilots do for piloting. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Dysgenesis posted:I do like hearing stories about Magic during its inception. Richard Garfield every time he is invited back it produces a banger of a set (OG ravnica, OG innistrad and dominaria) it would be great if he came back for the brothers war. Also they were originally kinda like Dungeons too so he can probably be credited with that at least in abstract.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 22:48 |
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It is neat to see ideas evolve like that. Gavin has said the equipment creatures from Neon Dynasty came from taking another crack at Licids.
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# ? Mar 25, 2022 23:43 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:another crack at Licids. That was initially what I thought they seemed like. They're always trying to figure out ways to not make creature modifications two-for-ones like plain auras almost always are. Runes at least draw you a card and can attach to equipment so they're not complete trash. Weren't Licid's originally a Phyrexian thing? Or was it literally just a Volrath thing? And, like, the way The Reality Chip works feels very much like the poo poo Licids were supposed to be like in the lore. But, y'know. More techy.
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# ? Mar 26, 2022 04:21 |
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#936 Wotc is going hard with the alternate arts.
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# ? Mar 26, 2022 06:14 |
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Froghammer posted:Patrick Sullivan talked about it a bit on Resleevables (RIP), but Companion as a mechanic is an incredibly deep design space that's now off-limits for R&D due to them completely loving up the initial launch. I can understand the desire to go back to it. I didn't listen to the podcast but how exactly is an extra card in your starting hand "incredibly deep design space" and how can it not be completely hosed up? It breaks two of the game's most fundamental rules (random starting hand, starting hand size) in a way that can hardly be overcome by your opponent unless they also have one.
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# ? Mar 26, 2022 13:50 |
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I also haven't listened to the podcast but my suspicion is that they were probably talking about other parts of the concept (like 'rewarding deckbuilding limitations') and not the bad parts of its implementation (like 'starting with an extra card in your hand')
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# ? Mar 26, 2022 14:37 |
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Katana Gomai posted:I didn't listen to the podcast but how exactly is an extra card in your starting hand "incredibly deep design space" and how can it not be completely hosed up? It breaks two of the game's most fundamental rules (random starting hand, starting hand size) in a way that can hardly be overcome by your opponent unless they also have one. One design space that hasn't been properly utilized in Magic, while being routinely explored in other TCGs, is "A sideboard you can access during regular game play" Magic has a few cards which do this (cards like Wish, Fae of Wishes, Living Wish, and Spawnsire of Ulamog which bring a card(s) in from "outside the game" for example), but there have been other games which utilize this sort of "extra deck" as a core or prominent design element (Yu-Gi-Oh's Extra Deck, Bleach's Side Deck, Raw Deal's Backlash decks with their Pre-game and Mid-match cards, Q's Tent in the Star Trek CCG, for example). Unfortunately, Companion was a bust, and one of the most ill-received mechanics of all time, so they're unlikely to revise and revisit it anytime soon, the way they replaced Embalm with Eternalize, or Fear with Intimidate.
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# ? Mar 26, 2022 15:03 |
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i don't think that's specifically what they want to revisit about it, since they just had the entire learn mechanic in strixhaven
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# ? Mar 26, 2022 15:08 |
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Toph Bei Fong posted:One design space that hasn't been properly utilized in Magic, while being routinely explored in other TCGs, is "A sideboard you can access during regular game play" This is what Learn is?
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# ? Mar 26, 2022 15:16 |
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# ? Jun 6, 2024 05:39 |
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flatluigi posted:i don't think that's specifically what they want to revisit about it, since they just had the entire learn mechanic in strixhaven Learn was well executed because all the cards are roughly worth less than a typical playable card, but have contextual use. It ended up being almost perfectly implemented. I wonder how Companion would have been received if all the companions were on the same power level of say, Jegantha (mostly just a big dumb 5/5 for 5). It wouldn't have been super exciting, but decently balanced.
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