the demokkkrats are going to be destrroyed in 2024 (inshallah)

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Complications: Jun 19, 2014

Brrrmph posted:

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/1507052235192254472?s=21

Americans will be hungry for change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZNnDiDSUiI&t=164s

# ? Mar 25, 2022 06:50

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# ? May 27, 2024 14:32

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

Palladium posted:

when was the last time a POTUS had an unironic menial down to earth job before becoming one

william jefferson clinton used to volunteer much of his time in college helping women back to their dorms at night from the library

# ? Mar 25, 2022 07:05

Vim Fuego: Jun 1, 2000; Ultra Carp

Brrrmph posted:

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/1507052235192254472?s=21

Americans will be hungry for change.

Domestic food shortages?

Democrats are so bad at colonialism and empire that they aren't even attempting to keep the populatoon fed. Like, we stole all those resources from other places. All those dead kids, polluted environments, destabilized countries and now America is planning on having food shortages?

hahahaha omg

# ? Mar 25, 2022 07:11

Vim Fuego: Jun 1, 2000; Ultra Carp

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

william jefferson clinton used to volunteer much of his time in college helping women back to their dorms at night from the library

# ? Mar 25, 2022 07:12

Mayor Dave: Feb 20, 2009; Bernie the Snow Clown

Vim Fuego posted:

Domestic food shortages?

Democrats are so bad at colonialism and empire that they aren't even attempting to keep the populatoon fed. Like, we stole all those resources from other places. All those dead kids, polluted environments, destabilized countries and now America is planning on having food shortages?

hahahaha omg

Banana republics without the bananas

# ? Mar 25, 2022 08:37

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Vim Fuego posted:

Domestic food shortages?

Democrats are so bad at colonialism and empire that they aren't even attempting to keep the populatoon fed. Like, we stole all those resources from other places. All those dead kids, polluted environments, destabilized countries and now America is planning on having food shortages?

hahahaha omg

Americans on average consume 60% too many calories, so this is only a food shortage in the same way that dialing back on institutional racism is discriminating against white people.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 08:41

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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Vim Fuego posted:

Domestic food shortages?

Democrats are so bad at colonialism and empire that they aren't even attempting to keep the populatoon fed. Like, we stole all those resources from other places. All those dead kids, polluted environments, destabilized countries and now America is planning on having food shortages?

hahahaha omg

The peripheries aren't willing to get looted anymore once they tasted fair trade with some east asian country

# ? Mar 25, 2022 08:45

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

Vim Fuego posted:

Domestic food shortages?

Democrats are so bad at colonialism and empire that they aren't even attempting to keep the populatoon fed. Like, we stole all those resources from other places. All those dead kids, polluted environments, destabilized countries and now America is planning on having food shortages?

hahahaha omg

America itself will be fine, in the sense that it will not suffer from food shortages. poo poo will get expensive and of course poor people will suffer from food insecurity, but that's already the case and has been for a long time. Our institutions have proven they can weather the instability that comes from squeezing the poor. The question is: how to keep the middle class on life support here?

At the height of American imperial power in the mid-nineties, aside from a few pockets we had basically the entire world as our imperial subjects. Europe - specifically western Europe - got to kind of feed at the trough as it were, for historical reasons. They were like the legacy, v1.0 OG imperialists and so some of the spoils of empire flowed to them, and it was a pretty sweet deal as they didn't have to bother with the maintenance of empire either. So they get cool poo poo like a functioning welfare state and so on which we in the US could never dream of, because here the contention between the working and capitalist classes had to come down firmly in favor of the latter, while in Europe the capitalists could compromise in the name of political stability, which prior to the collapse of the USSR formed something of a bulwark against communism (not so important by the mid-nineties obviously, but very important in the mid-fifties - remember that, until the forming of the Fifth Republic, France was, if not exactly non-aligned at least sympathetic to the USSR, so we had to coup their asses).

Anyway let's see how that's going:

We overplayed our hand with the shock therapy poo poo and while we definitely got our kicks getting revenge on our adversaries, we also alienated them from the West enough that their national bourgeoisie started to resist their subjugation to imperialist finance capitalists, and that alienation has grown over time. Perhaps if there were no alternative they'd be forced to deal, but:
We thought we had China on lock by the mid-nineties, but we misidentified the ruling class of China as the CPC itself rather than the Chinese proletariat, which we did not successfully corrupt, and so it was able to reassert itself via the CPC. We also exported a poo poo ton of capital to China over the last 40 years because there was easy money in it, and now we have a hollowed-out imperial core and China is the workshop of the world. lmfao owned
Africa has turned to China since their model of development actually results in, you know, development instead of pillage and internecine warfare funded (on both sides!) by us.
Latin America seems to have had enough of our poo poo as well and is presenting stiff resistance. But this could still go either way and China is wary of openly supporting anti-imperialism in South America.
We got parts of the Middle East and could reasonably get more, but honestly it's hard to make a buck in a place you spent trillions of dollars bombing and death-squading your way back and forth across, dozens of times over the course of literal decades.

What does that leave? That's right:

(include any NATO countries in eastern Europe as well)

You didn't think Uncle Sam would let you eurotrash just collect your welfare checks forever, did you? Motherfucker we gotta extract surplus value from somewhere and you've done such a great job making yourselves dependent on us over the last 70 years, we just never noticed how easy the pickings might be until material circumstances forced us to start looking at the world again for the first time since late 80s. Oh you need some grain because you pissed off the breadbasket of your entire continent in some pissing contest we instigated? gently caress you, pay us. Antagonistic great power making noise on your border? gently caress you, pay us (and yes, we're milking Ukraine for all we can - we're not giving them weapons for free we're making them sign predatory loans to pay for them). Refugees from a climate crisis you helped a create spilling across your border? Well actually we can't help you with that but gently caress you anyway.

The American state, is an imperial state, and it will hunt for imperial subjects wherever it can find them. In true predatory fashion, it will prefer weaker prey - and there is nothing weaker than western Europe.

If it makes you feel any better, we are in our death throes. That's why this is happening. But we have one more victim to claim before we turn inward and consume ourselves.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 08:49

Vim Fuego: Jun 1, 2000; Ultra Carp

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Americans on average consume 60% too many calories, so this is only a food shortage in the same way that dialing back on institutional racism is discriminating against white people.

I'm confident the effects of the shortage will fall mainly on those already experiencing food insecurity :fsmug:

# ? Mar 25, 2022 08:50

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Ham burger

# ? Mar 25, 2022 09:05

void_serfer: Jan 13, 2012

Vim Fuego posted:

Domestic food shortages?

Democrats are so bad at colonialism and empire that they aren't even attempting to keep the populatoon fed. Like, we stole all those resources from other places. All those dead kids, polluted environments, destabilized countries and now America is planning on having food shortages?

hahahaha omg

oblivion yeah yeah
oblivion yeah yeah
oblivion yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeah

# ? Mar 25, 2022 09:09

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

The American state, is an imperial state, and it will hunt for imperial subjects wherever it can find them. In true predatory fashion, it will prefer weaker prey - and there is nothing weaker than western Europe.

If it makes you feel any better, we are in our death throes. That's why this is happening. But we have one more victim to claim before we turn inward and consume ourselves.

You're posting as if Europe doesn't have enough economic power to make America back off. The electoral college makes it super loving easy for Europe to target states in a way that will make them flip and make you lose an election, and it has already used that threat before to essentially veto American economic policies.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 09:18

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

A Buttery Pastry posted:

You're posting as if Europe doesn't have enough economic power to make America back off. The electoral college makes it super loving easy for Europe to target states in a way that will make them flip and make you lose an election, and it has already used that threat before to essentially veto American economic policies.

lmao

I am sorry to inform you that America is a one-party state. You can flip all the elections you want - you're just subsidizing our political class for us when you did that, so thanks.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 09:26

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

I mean you're pretty hosed when your thesis relies on an implicit assumption of "American electoral politics matter" do you not see that?

# ? Mar 25, 2022 09:27

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

Do you think the fascist wing of the political class of any European country - and they all have one - will turn its nose at a color revolution thrown for its benefit? Does Europe have even a fraction of that kind of leverage over the US? Does Europe have military bases littered across the continental United States?

Oh but yeah Europe has the US dancing on puppet strings because of the electoral collage lmao

# ? Mar 25, 2022 09:34

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Do you think the fascist wing of the political class of any European country - and they all have one - will turn its nose at a color revolution thrown for its benefit? Does Europe have even a fraction of that kind of leverage over the US? Does Europe have military bases littered across the continental United States?

Oh but yeah Europe has the US dancing on puppet strings because of the electoral collage lmao

what did the brave french did when the americans stole their aussie sub deal?

complete capitulation

# ? Mar 25, 2022 10:18

ClassActionFursuit: Mar 15, 2006

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

I prefer a lottery system where you're allowed to increase prices all you like, but every time you do so there is a chance that goons will show up to your home or place of business and haul you away for a public execution

I, too, like Chairman Xi

Edit: Just read your other posts, and yeah that's all exactly right.

ClassActionFursuit has issued a correction as of 10:45 on Mar 25, 2022

# ? Mar 25, 2022 10:37

Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

They may have been asleep at the switch with Trump, but America's ruling class will rig any election that looks like a threat. Especially against a backdrop of global instability and shrinking imperial influence

# ? Mar 25, 2022 12:38

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

lmao

I am sorry to inform you that America is a one-party state. You can flip all the elections you want - you're just subsidizing our political class for us when you did that, so thanks.

No one is talking about bribery or whatever, it was the EU threatening to effectively put sanctions on specific US states, which would undermine their economies and flip enough voters to flip those states against Bush.

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

I mean you're pretty hosed when your thesis relies on an implicit assumption of "American electoral politics matter" do you not see that?

It matters for the president who wants to remain president. In fact, American electoral politics not mattering is exactly why this isn't a threat to the US system, and thus why no one will bother doing anything about the vulnerability. Because it isn't really a vulnerability, and arguable a safeguard against an American president being too nationalistic and threatening the empire.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 12:55

gimme the GOD DAMN candy: Jul 1, 2007

so your idea is that us elected representatives care about the wellbeing of their home districts?

# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:16

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

A Buttery Pastry posted:

No one is talking about bribery or whatever, it was the EU threatening to effectively put sanctions on specific US states, which would undermine their economies and flip enough voters to flip those states against Bush.

I would actually full-throatedly support state-level sanctions against the US right now. Apple should cut off ApplePay in Florida and Texas, Avaya should terminate all E911 contracts in Texas lest they be complicit in stealing trans kids away from their families, European theaters should decline to screen any Disney releases, the whole 9 until those states relent and unfuck their bullshit laws.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:18

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

so your idea is that us elected representatives care about the wellbeing of their home districts?

i am talking about swing states in a presidential election, hence all the references to presidents

that said, i must concede that there's no reason to think the strategy will work on democrats, for reasons that should be obvious

# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:20

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

A Buttery Pastry posted:

No one is talking about bribery or whatever, it was the EU threatening to effectively put sanctions on specific US states, which would undermine their economies and flip enough voters to flip those states against Bush.

It matters for the president who wants to remain president. In fact, American electoral politics not mattering is exactly why this isn't a threat to the US system, and thus why no one will bother doing anything about the vulnerability. Because it isn't really a vulnerability, and arguable a safeguard against an American president being too nationalistic and threatening the empire.

take it to your next DSA meeting pal

# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:48

MSDOS KAPITAL: Jun 25, 2018

me, a billionaire with timeshares on every US Senator: oh no Birmingham might elect a Democrat if Audi builds a factory in NH instead :ohdear:

# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:51

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

me, a billionaire with timeshares on every US Senator: oh no Birmingham might elect a Democrat if Audi builds a factory in NH instead

are you retarded dude?

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# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:05

camoseven: Dec 30, 2005; RODOLPHONE RINGIN'

A Buttery Pastry posted:

are you retarded dude?

oooooo you really stepped in it now!

# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:09

Zvahl: Oct 14, 2005; научный кот

swing states in presidential elections don't loving matter because biden is the same as trump is the same as obama and there hasn't been any meaningful difference in any of them for at the very least 75 years

here's to a more successful 75 years of the democrats being destroyed

# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:10

Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

The democrats are going to get destroyed this year.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:19

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

A Buttery Pastry posted:

rip

# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:19

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Zvahl posted:

swing states in presidential elections don't loving matter because biden is the same as trump is the same as obama and there hasn't been any meaningful difference in any of them for at the very least 75 years

they matter to the multi millionaire/billionaire that wants to keep being president to feel like a big man.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:34

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

What does that leave? That's right:

(include any NATO countries in eastern Europe as well)

You didn't think Uncle Sam would let you eurotrash just collect your welfare checks forever, did you? Motherfucker we gotta extract surplus value from somewhere and you've done such a great job making yourselves dependent on us over the last 70 years, we just never noticed how easy the pickings might be until material circumstances forced us to start looking at the world again for the first time since late 80s. Oh you need some grain because you pissed off the breadbasket of your entire continent in some pissing contest we instigated? gently caress you, pay us. Antagonistic great power making noise on your border? gently caress you, pay us (and yes, we're milking Ukraine for all we can - we're not giving them weapons for free we're making them sign predatory loans to pay for them). Refugees from a climate crisis you helped a create spilling across your border? Well actually we can't help you with that but gently caress you anyway.

The American state, is an imperial state, and it will hunt for imperial subjects wherever it can find them. In true predatory fashion, it will prefer weaker prey - and there is nothing weaker than western Europe.

If it makes you feel any better, we are in our death throes. That's why this is happening. But we have one more victim to claim before we turn inward and consume ourselves.

he�ll yeah, finally some good news. we got our empire in the first place by bombing europe to smithereens and then taking over the reconstruction, so clearly, the solution to our failing empire is to destroy europe and rule over the ashes.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 18:37