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Whelp, the whole family got COVID as I suggested they might. Despite being at my house the day before, he never tells me and I only heard about it from my mother.
Bolded why he didn't tell you he got COVID.
So what you're saying is he didn't recover.
They released the guy back into the world so someone is saying he recovered.
As for me, not being able to reliably form new memories or recall old memories suggests that the recovery was less than total.
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A guy I am in contact with who works for one of the state agriculture agencies got covid in Jan and although he recovered, his memory is totally shot
Wait, you're telling me that COVID can cause memory problems? First I've heard of it.
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In January i found out my precious work place, which seemed to have survived totally unscathed for a couple of years, has had rampant outbreaks over and over again. They just hid it, made staff quietly quarantine (or not at all) and didn’t tell their clients. Just villainous stuff.
My work place had been discretely posting daily notices in the breakroom announcing that someone else caught COVID. They stopped the same time the CDC guidelines changed though.
The notice let us know that if HR determined you had been in contact with the person with COVID, you would be informed. My suspicion is that HR was able to reliably make the determination that no one was ever in contact with someone who came to work with COVID.
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Sorry in advance for the lengthy post. I've been summarizing PASC research studies for my own understanding and previously posted my notes in the old thread but thought worth posting here too in case it's of interest. Please let me know if you're aware of any large scale PASC study not included here, I'd be interested in learning more.
TLDR: long-term COVID impacts ie "long COVID" or "Post-Acute Sequelae of SARs-COV-2 infection" (PASC) affects ~10-30% of people with symptomatic infections. >1%-10% of COVID infections result in “significant” long term impacts, with large uncertainties in actual rates but these are likely lower bounds. Vaccines did not protect against all PASC conditions (estimates vary between 50% reduction to no protection).
PASC overview
-PASC encompasses a range of conditions that might occur after a COVID infection
-conditions include cardiovascular, neurological and immune disorders
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.698169/full
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/19/science/long-covid-causes.html
-PASC rate post-infection highly uncertain, estimates vary between 10%-30% at ~6 months
-the impact of potentially relevant factors like vaccination also have large uncertainties
-several large scale studies and labor force analyses attempt to evaluate PASC rate, severity
-PASC isn’t COVID mortality, mortality is better understood and effectively reduced with vaccines
PASC rate estimates from major studies
-focus here on PASC rates for mild cases in <65 year olds where possible
-ideally account for vaccination impact, most large completed studies done pre-vaccine
Post-acute symptoms, new onset diagnoses and health problems 6 to 12 months after SARS-CoV-2 infection: a nationwide questionnaire study in the adult Danish population
-large scale study, 152880 participants, evaluated at 6-12 months, pre-vaccine availability
-long-term symptoms maximal for 30-60 year old
-”significant” post-infection symptoms:
-~40% risk of physical exhaustion, 35% risk of mental exhaustion
-~28% chance of memory and concentration issues
-~8% fatigue
Long COVID in a prospective cohort of home-isolated patients
-followed 312 home-isolated (non-hospitalized) Norwegian patients from the early pandemic
-52% (32/61) of home-isolated young adults, aged 16–30 years, had symptoms at 6 months
-”significant” post-infection symptoms:
-impaired concentration (13%, 8/61)
-memory problems (11%, 7/61)
-fatigue (21%, 13/61)
Physical, psychological and cognitive profile of post-COVID condition in healthcare workers, Quebec, Canada
-~6000 COVID positive HCWs in Quebec between July 2020 and May 2021 pre-vaccines
-had controls, claims less bias than similar studies because participants recruited pre-COVID
~40% reported at least one post-infection symptom at 12 weeks
-10-20% described at least one “severe” post-infection symptom, did not decrease with time
-”significant” post-infection symptoms:
-cognitive dysfunction ~15% at 25 weeks
-fatigue ~25% at 25 weeks
Incidence, co-occurrence, and evolution of long-COVID features: A 6-month retrospective cohort study of 273,618 survivors of COVID-19
-analyzed health records of 81 million US patients, idenitified 273000 COVID cases
-cases would have been for people that sought treatment, so worse than overall population
-”significant” post-infection symptoms:
-fatigue/malaise (12.82%; 5.87%
-cognitive symptoms (7.88%; 3.95%),
Prevalence, determinants, and impact on general health and working capacity of post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 six to 12 months after infection: a population-based retrospective cohort study from southern Germany
-persons aged 18-65 years with PCR confirmed infection between Oct 2020 and March 2021
-11,710 subjects, reported symptom rates before, during infection and at later time
-”significant” post-infection symptoms:
-neurocognitive impairment (PD 31.3%)
-fatigue (PD 37.2%)
Persistence, prevalence, and polymorphism of sequelae after COVID-19 in young adults
-501 participants, median age of 21 years (range 19-29)
-compared 177 COVID cases after 6 months with controls, recent infection, asmptomatics
-found a significant trend towards metabolic disorders, higher Body Mass Index (BMI) (p=0.03), lower aerobic threshold (p=0.007), higher blood cholesterol (p<0.001) and low-density lipoprotein LDL levels
-there were no significant differences in psychosocial questionnaire scores
Long-term cardiovascular outcomes of COVID-19
-157000 VA patients, predominantly older white males
-also includes contemporary and historical control groups
-study period 2020-2021, pre-vaccine
-4.5% elevated risk of any cardiovascular outcome in entire cohort
-roughly 2.5% elevated risk of any cardiovascular outcome for mild cases
Risks and burdens of incident diabetes in long COVID: a cohort study
-181280 participants with COVID-19 between March 1, 2020, and Sept 30, 2021
-note average participant age of ~61 years old
-had contemporary and historical control
-people with COVID-19 had increased risk (HR 1.40, 95% CI 1.36–1.44) of diabetes
-excess burden (13.46, 95% CI 12.11–14.84, per 1000 people at 12 months) of diabetes ie roughly ~1% of cases
-Risks and burdens increased according to the severity of the acute phase of COVID-19
Six-month sequelae of post-vaccination SARS-CoV-2 infection: a retrospective cohort study of 10,024 breakthrough infections
-10024 vaccinated individuals, 9479 matched against unvaccinated controls
-no uninfected control group
-evaluated pre-Omicron
-this study is focused on evaluating difference in long-term outcomes between vaccinated vs unvaccinated and not so much the absolute rates
-two doses of vaccine had no impact on “long-COVID” features, several other disorders
Presence of Symptoms 6 Weeks After COVID-19 Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated U.S. Healthcare Personnel
-participants had COVID-19 with either verified mRNA vaccination or no vaccination
-among 681 eligible participants, 419 (61%) completed survey ~6 weeks after illness onset
-~71% reported one or more COVID-like symptoms 6 weeks after illness onset
-lower prevalence of long-term symptoms among vaccinated participants
-”significant” post-infection symptoms:
-fatigue ~30%
-cognitive symptoms: 25%
Indirect PASC impacts from labor statistics
Is ‘long Covid’ worsening the labor shortage?
-assumes ~100 million workers infected by Oct 2021
-roughly estimates ~1.1 million people out of work due to long COVID at any given time
COVID-19 Likely Resulted in 1.2 Million More Disabled People by the End of 2021
-additional 1.2 million people in the US civilian institutional population with a registered disability in 2021 compared to 2020
-total labor force without disability is down ~2 million since the start of the pandemic
-large increase in workers with disability likely due to PASC, ~1% of infected workers
Summary
-PASC research suggests >10% chance of “significant” long-term impact from COVID infection, esp fatigue and cognitive symptoms (estimates vary around 10-20%)
-additional risk of cardiovascular disease after mild infection is ~2.5%
-vaccines did not protect against all PASC conditions (estimates vary between 50% reduction to no protection)
-vaccine protection has likely not improved with Omicron dominant given relatively worse protection against symptomatic infection
-labor statistics suggest >1% of infected workers either disabled or too sick to continue working at least temporarily
-current overall picture is >1%-10% of COVID infections result in “significant” long term impacts, with large uncertainties in actual rates but these are likely lower bounds
You've done it again 
this last month has been such a shitshow. just off the top of my head
1. Impact Research releases a memo saying the dems can win the midterms by declaring victory over covid (https://punchbowl.news/wp-content/uploads/IMPACT-COVID-positioning-strategy-memo.pdf)
2. CDC gets the memo and rewrites the community transmission guidelines so that high transmission is actually low transmission now. Masks are now only recommended when cases have already reached critical mass. All states drop mask mandates almost immediately.
3. Ezekial Emmanuel, a man who once wrote on op-ed about why it's good for society when old people die earlier, releases a roadmap for living with covid. (https://www.covidroadmap.org/) The roadmap claims that we are approaching endemicity, and we will have achieved it when we reach fewer than 60,000 deaths per year from covid, RSV, and flu combined. (we are already over 20,000 dead from COVID this month) The roadmap calls for a ton of vaccine research and for free covid treatment.
4. biden announces a test to treat program where people can get free covid testing, and free covid treatment if they test positive
5. congress drops all federal funding for covid, completely killing the goals outlined in the roadmap, and the test to treat program, while making our already useless CDC community transmission map even worse
This sounds about right.
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Wait what's this about screws? Am I supposed to be hoarding those too??
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My work place had been discretely posting daily notices in the breakroom announcing that someone else caught COVID. They stopped the same time the CDC guidelines changed though.
The notice let us know that if HR determined you had been in contact with the person with COVID, you would be informed. My suspicion is that HR was able to reliably make the determination that no one was ever in contact with someone who came to work with COVID.
If it's like my HR, the guidelines for being in contact are: Spent a total of 15 minutes in one work day, less 6 feet away from someone who tested positive.
So, if you spent 2 minutes, 5 feet away from someone who popped a positive, it's ok, you can keep showing up to work!
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lol great thread, been through this process so many times throughout the years i've grown accustomed to it
it's pure madness lmao
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My favorite part of the American healthcare system was, showing up to pick up your prescription only to find that the insurance company deemed it a preexisting condition, therefore it's $400 and not $40.
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If it's like my HR, the guidelines for being in contact are: Spent a total of 15 minutes in one work day, less 6 feet away from someone who tested positive.
So, if you spent 2 minutes, 5 feet away from someone who popped a positive, it's ok, you can keep showing up to work!
I don't think society is ever going to be able to move past the 6 foot, 15 minute thing. It's too ingrained.
Wonder how many lives could have been saved if the early messaging had been "stay home whenever possible, wear an N95 or better if you ever need to leave the house."
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So the biden tests were specifically to keep the positive numbers off the books then? It seems like a good ruse provided there's enough funding to carry it through midterms
the dems are going to be routed in midterms worse than they've ever been routed before no matter what they do at this point
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I don't think society is ever going to be able to move past the 6 foot, 15 minute thing. It's too ingrained.
Wonder how many lives could have been saved if the early messaging had been "stay home whenever possible, wear an N95 or better if you ever need to leave the house."
To most people it's still not even airborne, and you're ok as long as you don't touch your face
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I’ll add another anecdotal story.
I started feeling a little bit like a crazy person taking my covid safety measures so seriously. Everyone’s out and doing things and it just feels like you’re missing the world turning. Luckily this year I got the chance to feel like I was making the right moves.
In January i found out my precious work place, which seemed to have survived totally unscathed for a couple of years, has had rampant outbreaks over and over again. They just hid it, made staff quietly quarantine (or not at all) and didn’t tell their clients. Just villainous stuff.
In that same month I found out the die hard fitness places that stayed open, that I used to go to and miss dearly, have all had constant break outs with staff and clients. Gyms, martial arts studios, outdoor recreation… They just hid it.
If you ask any business they all will tell you they haven’t had a covid outbreak. Oh yeah they’re also mysteriously understaffed for some reason
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lol i need to start my passport renewal process and i just had a whole rear end existential crisis about it because i cant see myself voluntary traveling much for a long time
but then i was like lmao might need to cross the border into canada if president dementia gets us into a real ground war.
passport book and card forms filled out >.> Now I gotta brave getting a picture taken.
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the dems are going to be routed in midterms worse than they've ever been routed before no matter what they do at this point
I'll vote for Fetterman in the primary, one or two local folks, and absolutely no one else. they can all get hosed.
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They're saying it out loud now:
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Moderna weighs private market debut for COVID shot as federal funding flounders
By Fraiser Kansteiner Mar 25, 2022 09:15am
As Congress gridlocks on funding for new COVID-19 therapies and vaccines, mRNA bigwig Moderna is setting its sights on the endemic market for its wildly successful shot, Spikevax, the biotech’s CEO has said.
“[W]hat is not clear today is, will the U.S. become a private market, which is the case for all other medicines we have access to,” Stéphane Bancel speculated in an interview with Yahoo Finance during Moderna’s 3rd annual Vaccines Day on Thursday.
Sans funding, the U.S. won’t have enough extra boosters or variant-specific vaccines for all Americans if they are needed, the White House added.
Meanwhile, not content to rest on its laurels, Moderna is “getting ready for a private market situation,” the CEO said.
“We were always planning this would happen, so the commercial team is spending a lot of time with [pharmacy benefit managers] and pharmacy chains, assuming there’s no funding,” Bancel added, as quoted by Endpoints News.
Since the pandemic’s start, the cost of Moderna’s vaccine has been low in the U.S. compared to places like Europe and Japan, Bancel noted. That’s because the company was reimbursing the U.S. government for the grant it got to bankroll its clinical study, the CEO explained.
In an endemic setting, meanwhile, Bancel figures the price of Moderna’s vaccine would be “higher than it’s been over the past two years," the CEO told Yahoo.
Whether Moderna’s vaccine rolls out through public or private channels in the U.S., the company is making sure it’s ready to meet demand this fall, Bancel pointed out.
Moderna boasts manufacturing capacity now that it didn’t have back at the start of the pandemic, Bancel told Yahoo. When its shot was authorized in December 2020, the biotech had just 20 million doses total to ship, he added. The company now touts capacity to produce between 2 billion to 3 billion doses a year.
Having to pay marked up prices for mRNA shots is bad enough, but esp if they don't divert some of that expanded capacity to actually targeting the vaccines to something vaguely resembling the dominant variant in 2022.
Nocturtle has issued a correction as of 20:39 on Mar 25, 2022
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I’ll add another anecdotal story.
I started feeling a little bit like a crazy person taking my covid safety measures so seriously. Everyone’s out and doing things and it just feels like you’re missing the world turning. Luckily this year I got the chance to feel like I was making the right moves.
In January i found out my precious work place, which seemed to have survived totally unscathed for a couple of years, has had rampant outbreaks over and over again. They just hid it, made staff quietly quarantine (or not at all) and didn’t tell their clients. Just villainous stuff.
In that same month I found out the die hard fitness places that stayed open, that I used to go to and miss dearly, have all had constant break outs with staff and clients. Gyms, martial arts studios, outdoor recreation… They just hid it.
If you ask any business they all will tell you they haven’t had a covid outbreak. Oh yeah they’re also mysteriously understaffed for some reason
I am still a member of a handful of Judo and BJJ facebook groups from when I was younger and competing, and some fitness kickboxing places that I've gone to over the years. And not a single one has shut down or ever so much as mentioned any type of outbreak or illness. It's impossible that there hasn't been a single one for any of them over the last two years. But outside of a month or two in early 2020 they've been at it every day and if you followed them on social media you'd think they'd never had a single case among any of their members.
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lol i need to start my passport renewal process and i just had a whole rear end existential crisis about it because i cant see myself voluntary traveling much for a long time
but then i was like lmao might need to cross the border into canada if president dementia gets us into a real ground war.
passport book and card forms filled out >.> Now I gotta brave getting a picture taken.
Take it yourself and then print it with Shutterfly or some other online place. The rules for the picture format and quality aren't hard to follow at home and cell phone cameras are perfectly good enough quality as long as your cell phone isn't a decade old.
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I've found multiple instances of friends and family concealing that a) they got it , and b) the severity of their symptoms from me because they think I'm a crazy cave syndromer and if they admit they were loving hospitalized it'll just keep me from coming to brunch that much longer.
A friend told another friend that they felt closer to death with COVID than the time they almost bled out during a C-Section but I had to hear that through the grape vine because they didn't want to trigger my COVID anxiety.
i wonder if they bother to mask post-hospitalization (lol.)
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lol great thread, been through this process so many times throughout the years i've grown accustomed to it
it's pure madness lmao
Any tips on how not to get sent to collections over the $11 your insurance decided it didn't want to pay after all the day before the doctor says it's due?
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Any tips on how not to get sent to collections over the $11 your insurance decided it didn't want to pay after all the day before the doctor says it's due?
For any medical procedure, over the course of 2-6 weeks I collect all the mail associated with whatever procedure/visit/etc was in a folder, then once I see that it's all finally been sorted out on their ends and I've been sent/billed for everything, I then pay whatever is due.
For example, when my youngest was born, it took nearly 2 months for all the docs/techs/insurance/etc bills to be sent out, and then we paid the bills. 💸
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Two more years for the CDC to get a handle on long COVID. No rush.
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Official U.S. Long Covid-19 Data Two Years Away, Hurts Research
EXCLUSIVE
March 21, 2022, 2:29 PM
Democrats asked CDC to publicly release findings
Government estimates seen as more legitimate
Lawmakers want data from public health officials on the prevalence of long Covid, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention won’t have it for another two years.
Reps. Don Beyer (D-Va.) and Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) asked the CDC in a January letter to publicly release their findings on how many people have long Covid and to break that data down by race, ethnicity, age, gender, previous disability, and other demographic characteristics.
Aaron Fritschner, a spokesman for Beyer, said his office got a briefing from the agency in response and were told the CDC “would not internally have a dataset from which they could publicly post disaggregated data for two years.”
The lawmakers’ aides weren’t provided any data at all.
Though private studies have tried to nail down how many people actually have long Covid and how many more could get it in the future, lawmakers say numbers from a trusted source like the CDC could help convince Congress to pass more funding for research and new aid for support services.
Once again the most charitable interpretation is the CDC is really just not good at its job of preventing disease.
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quoting for later use
also thanks to the other op for posting those other corsicube instructions
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I'll vote for Fetterman in the primary, one or two local folks, and absolutely no one else. they can all get hosed.
im never voting again lol why the gently caress would you vote
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im never voting again lol why the gently caress would you vote
FETTERMAN SMASH
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lol i need to replace my furnace cause that fucker is 40 years old (I have minisplits but WA state requires 2 working heat sources! FUN) and imma be like GIMME WHAT EVER FILTERS poo poo BEST THX. Highest priority.
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Two more years for the CDC to get a handle on long COVID. No rush.
One thing to note is taking the CDC at their word means they don't think they'll have a robust dataset on long COVID that could be shared with the public for two years. However this isn't stopping them from producing community risk levels based on the explicit assumption that the only relevant COVID public health goal is to limit the severe disease rate to match hospital capacity.
Once again the most charitable interpretation is the CDC is really just not good at its job of preventing disease.
society will have failed by that time
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im never voting again lol why the gently caress would you vote
There are some local people I'm voting for because I know they're trying to do good, like Summer Lee.
Anyone on the national level can eat my rear end though
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