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Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

In slightly lighter news, if any of you build models, you might be aware that quite a few kitmakers (along with producers of decals and aftermarket parts) are based in Ukraine. Well, as of today, in the least surprising new release news to ever happen, BigPlanesKits announced a Bayraktar TB2 in 1/72 scale, while ClearProp Models has one in 1/48.

I also need a tractor combo kit too, as opposed to just two kits, with decals.

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CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Marshal Prolapse posted:

I also need a tractor combo kit too, as opposed to just two kits, with decals.

I couldn't find a decent tractor model kit. I looked to do the same thing.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

golden bubble posted:

https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1507436672300064775

The French haven't been in the news enough lately. But LMAO Russia managed to get Greece and Turkey to work together on a military operation. Wow.

What's this going to look like? Is this a naval force that will open the port and take passengers? Conceivably they could evacuate hundreds of thousands a day that way given enough shipping.

edit: French warships, Greek cruise liners and Turkey allowing passage through the Dardanelles and air cover? They just move up and dare the Russians to engage?

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

CommieGIR posted:

They are really, really hoping that they can capture Mauripol, call it a win, go into defensive mode, and Ukraine will just want peace.

I suspect they are going to find out they are very, very wrong.

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1507422853368528923?s=20&t=PunaaO-K18ZQeZhQHdU89A

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Murgos posted:

What's this going to look like? Is this a naval force that will open the port and take passengers? Conceivably they could evacuate hundreds of thousands a day that way given enough shipping.

edit: French warships, Greek cruise liners and Turkey allowing passage through the Dardanelles and air cover? They just move up and dare the Russians to engage?

Even if they could teleport all of their merchant shipping into the Black Sea this very instant, Mariupol is in the Sea of Azov, which is Russia's internal sea, blocked by the Kerch Strait, so they can't reach it at all.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

steinrokkan posted:

Even if they could teleport all of their merchant shipping into the Black Sea this very instant, Mariupol is in the Sea of Azov, which is Russia's internal sea, blocked by the Kerch Strait, so they can't reach it at all.

Pwned by my American knowledge of geography.

Edit: Having looked at a map I think my point stands. There are two options for this effort:

France sails several warships escorting several cruise liners set up for bulk people moving through the Kerch Strait and dares Russia to do something about it.

Otherwise, if they are just begging for Russia to let them through and then it’s just so much fluff.

Murgos fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Mar 26, 2022

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

facialimpediment posted:

It also wouldn't be a gigantic shock if they simply pull back from places and start using chemical weapons. So while everyone basically hopes they're goalposting, there could be worse poo poo coming.

Sounds like NATO agrees with you, because Biden alluded to a military response when asked about it today.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

steinrokkan posted:

Even if they could teleport all of their merchant shipping into the Black Sea this very instant, Mariupol is in the Sea of Azov, which is Russia's internal sea, blocked by the Kerch Strait, so they can't reach it at all.
Unless you're just planning to balls it out and dare Russia to fire on NATO countries' ships with big red crosses on them as they go through the Kerch Strait?

That doesn't seem to make sense, but neither does anything happening with this conflict.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

stealie72 posted:

Unless you're just planning to balls it out and dare Russia to fire on NATO countries' ships with big red crosses on them as they go through the Kerch Strait?

That doesn't seem to make sense, but neither does anything happening with this conflict.

Except except NATO doesn't cover countries that get attacked due to their own adventurism, and Americans already have confirmed that they wouldn't escalate to protect countries that antagonized Russia over Ukraine on their own, so this operation wouldn't have the weight of NATO behind it.

It seems the plan is to have the French keep calling the Russians and hope they greenlight this thing, which is a lol

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007
Yeah I didn't mean to imply that it would trip article 5 or anything, but it would also not be that bright to gently caress with any of those countries carrying out a cooperative humanitarian flotilla.

You know, just like it's not very bright to invade your neighbor assuming you'll win in 2 days and not have any backup plan.

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

Tiny posted:

At the MBA graduation ceremony they remove the soul and the half of the brain responsible for seeing humans as persons and not cogs. They know those things, they just don't matter to them at all.

You misunderstand me completely. Getting lovely pallets that break is not a better way to make money. They don't teach you that at business school, they teach the opposite.

Morons that don't understand that lesson try to reduce costs in the dumbest and most short-sighted ways.

An MBA may see you as a cog, but an MBA that actually paid attention in class instead of just using it as a drinking and networking session should know the best way to get the most value out of those cogs is to make sure they have what they need to perform the best.

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

Jarmak posted:

You misunderstand me completely. Getting lovely pallets that break is not a better way to make money. They don't teach you that at business school, they teach the opposite.

Morons that don't understand that lesson try to reduce costs in the dumbest and most short-sighted ways.

An MBA may see you as a cog, but an MBA that actually paid attention in class instead of just using it as a drinking and networking session should know the best way to get the most value out of those cogs is to make sure they have what they need to perform the best.

Deming was a direct response to this but his lessons are easily forgotten because they reference intractable problems that can't be measured. A second problem would be students light on experience trying to understand organizational behavior classes while lacking a context for them.

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009
The Five Points in NYC is one of the biggest pallet repair hubs in the country. Industrious people (centered near the import docks and markets of fruit and vegetables for the entire city) will take free broken pallets (or pay a dollar each). Pay a worker a dollar to repair them. Then sell pallets for three bucks. This was the actual rate as of like 2012. Lord knows what these huge yards of shattered soft wood do now

Joke Miriam
Nov 17, 2019



Soul Dentist posted:

The Five Points in NYC is one of the biggest pallet repair hubs in the country. Industrious people (centered near the import docks and markets of fruit and vegetables for the entire city) will take free broken pallets (or pay a dollar each). Pay a worker a dollar to repair them. Then sell pallets for three bucks. This was the actual rate as of like 2012. Lord knows what these huge yards of shattered soft wood do now

Still? Wouldn't that have moved out to Jersey or Queens or something?

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009

Joke Miriam posted:

Still? Wouldn't that have moved out to Jersey or Queens or something?

Hunts Point, sorry!

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

CommieGIR posted:

They are really, really hoping that they can capture Mauripol, call it a win, go into defensive mode, and Ukraine will just want peace.

I suspect they are going to find out they are very, very wrong.

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1507422853368528923?s=20&t=PunaaO-K18ZQeZhQHdU89A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYoRaxgOE0

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

Murgos posted:

I'd have to imagine that having the better parts of 2 CAAs worth of assault forces in a pocket would give Ukraine a bit more heft at the negotiating table.

Even if Ukraine fully succeeds in cutting the road, Russia can still always get the men out.

Ukraine does not have the troops actually surrounding the forces, the lay of the rivers and bogs just means there's only one way for them to move vehicles in or out, and Ukraine can already shoot arty on that road, and might just cut it outright. If that happens, the Russian troops can evacuate by driving north as far as there is road, and then doing an afternoon's hike through a bog, including ~30m of swimming. The only way those men end up prisoners is if they decide they'd rather be in Ukrainian captivity than leave. Still, abandoning 2 CAAs worth of heavy equipment is embarrassing enough.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Tuna-Fish posted:

Even if Ukraine fully succeeds in cutting the road, Russia can still always get the men out.

Ukraine does not have the troops actually surrounding the forces, the lay of the rivers and bogs just means there's only one way for them to move vehicles in or out, and Ukraine can already shoot arty on that road, and might just cut it outright. If that happens, the Russian troops can evacuate by driving north as far as there is road, and then doing an afternoon's hike through a bog, including ~30m of swimming. The only way those men end up prisoners is if they decide they'd rather be in Ukrainian captivity than leave. Still, abandoning 2 CAAs worth of heavy equipment is embarrassing enough.

That presupposes that the forces Russia has deployed can perform anything like a retreat in good order. I suspect that if their morale breaks we'll see something more akin to a rout.

A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Mar 26, 2022

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Jarmak posted:

You misunderstand me completely. Getting lovely pallets that break is not a better way to make money. They don't teach you that at business school, they teach the opposite.

Morons that don't understand that lesson try to reduce costs in the dumbest and most short-sighted ways.

An MBA may see you as a cog, but an MBA that actually paid attention in class instead of just using it as a drinking and networking session should know the best way to get the most value out of those cogs is to make sure they have what they need to perform the best.

Well, there are MBAs and there are MBAs.

MBAs are usually just larger, more expensive cogs as well.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Tuna-Fish posted:

Even if Ukraine fully succeeds in cutting the road, Russia can still always get the men out.

Ukraine does not have the troops actually surrounding the forces, the lay of the rivers and bogs just means there's only one way for them to move vehicles in or out, and Ukraine can already shoot arty on that road, and might just cut it outright. If that happens, the Russian troops can evacuate by driving north as far as there is road, and then doing an afternoon's hike through a bog, including ~30m of swimming. The only way those men end up prisoners is if they decide they'd rather be in Ukrainian captivity than leave. Still, abandoning 2 CAAs worth of heavy equipment is embarrassing enough.

I think this is some sort of absurd oversimplification that assumes coherent effort and good supply without any attempt to circumvent it by Ukrainian forces.

Big K of Justice
Nov 27, 2005

Anyone seen my ball joints?

CainFortea posted:

I couldn't find a decent tractor model kit. I looked to do the same thing.

Might be easier to track down a die-cast model instead, I remember when I was living on a farm growing up, the various farm/tractor dealers had really detailed scale models of their equipment, combines, plows, hay bailers, etc.

You'll have to match the scale vs the model kit tank you are using which I guess would be in the 1/32-1/48-1/64 scale range.

https://imgur.com/MOghoSc

Also came across a place that may have kits:

https://www.agfarmtoys.com/

Big K of Justice fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Mar 26, 2022

Farking Bastage
Sep 22, 2007

Who dey think gonna beat dem Bengos!
John deere makes some intricately detailed ones. Especially the old models.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
Just "an afternoon hike through a bog" yea ok goon

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
JUST HIT DA BOG! YOU CAN LEAVE!

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
Enemy trying to encircle your position? Just say no! They can't legally reduce your cauldron without permission.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Jarmak posted:

An MBA may see you as a cog, but an MBA that actually paid attention in class instead of just using it as a drinking and networking session should know the best way to get the most value out of those cogs is to make sure they have what they need to perform the best.

The value of the MBA isn’t in the classes, it’s in the networking, so…

And like yeah, MBAs know that saving money is good. But they’re really, really interested in hitting their KPIs before the next salary / bonus period, and everything else is secondary to that.

Making yourself look good is secondary to making the company more profitable, basically.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

FrozenVent posted:

The value of the MBA isn’t in the classes, it’s in the networking, so…

And like yeah, MBAs know that saving money is good. But they’re really, really interested in hitting their KPIs before the next salary / bonus period, and everything else is secondary to that.

Making yourself look good is secondary to making the company more profitable, basically.

The number MUST go up, and it MUST go up by next quarter.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

I feel like I'm too online because I got this.

I finished my MBA in 2020 and the cult of just-in-time was just about to face its reckoning from the global supply chain fuckling. I got to see the open office trend live and die between undergrad and postgrad; business school curriculums are amusingly faddish if you take the long view. I've gotten to the point where I can break down HBR articles in my sleep- simplistic paradigm, 3-5 step model based on it, some anecdotal evidence with a smattering of data, pseudo-Gladwellish conclusion.

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

FrozenVent posted:

Making yourself look good is secondary to making the company more profitable, basically.

Ah, so basically a commissioned officer then.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Big K of Justice posted:

Might be easier to track down a die-cast model instead, I remember when I was living on a farm growing up, the various farm/tractor dealers had really detailed scale models of their equipment, combines, plows, hay bailers, etc.

You'll have to match the scale vs the model kit tank you are using which I guess would be in the 1/32-1/48-1/64 scale range.

https://imgur.com/MOghoSc

Also came across a place that may have kits:

https://www.agfarmtoys.com/

Ertl. the search term you're looking for is Ertl

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

shame on an IGA posted:

Ertl. the search term you're looking for is Ertl

Man, I grew up lusting after those Force One jets.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

GD_American posted:

I finished my MBA in 2020 and the cult of just-in-time was just about to face its reckoning from the global supply chain fuckling. I got to see the open office trend live and die between undergrad and postgrad; business school curriculums are amusingly faddish if you take the long view. I've gotten to the point where I can break down HBR articles in my sleep- simplistic paradigm, 3-5 step model based on it, some anecdotal evidence with a smattering of data, pseudo-Gladwellish conclusion.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Tuna-Fish posted:

Even if Ukraine fully succeeds in cutting the road, Russia can still always get the men out.

Ukraine does not have the troops actually surrounding the forces, the lay of the rivers and bogs just means there's only one way for them to move vehicles in or out, and Ukraine can already shoot arty on that road, and might just cut it outright. If that happens, the Russian troops can evacuate by driving north as far as there is road, and then doing an afternoon's hike through a bog, including ~30m of swimming. The only way those men end up prisoners is if they decide they'd rather be in Ukrainian captivity than leave. Still, abandoning 2 CAAs worth of heavy equipment is embarrassing enough.

yeah but if you surrender you get food, cigarettes, and a heated building to sleep in and no one calling in MLRS barrages on your campfire

DearSirXNORMadam
Aug 1, 2009

Tuna-Fish posted:

Even if Ukraine fully succeeds in cutting the road, Russia can still always get the men out.

Ukraine does not have the troops actually surrounding the forces, the lay of the rivers and bogs just means there's only one way for them to move vehicles in or out, and Ukraine can already shoot arty on that road, and might just cut it outright. If that happens, the Russian troops can evacuate by driving north as far as there is road, and then doing an afternoon's hike through a bog, including ~30m of swimming. The only way those men end up prisoners is if they decide they'd rather be in Ukrainian captivity than leave. Still, abandoning 2 CAAs worth of heavy equipment is embarrassing enough.

Oh my god dude, please don't carry your water mosin in your stroller, this is such a bad idea.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Tuna-Fish posted:

then doing an afternoon's hike through a bog, including ~30m of swimming.

Have you ever tried going through a bog carrying your full gear? I have, in training exercises and the point of the training exercise was never to loving do it for real.

Also, you're expecting poorly trained Russian conscripts just swim in mass, in combat gear, at this temperature and this weather?

ArmyGroup303
Apr 10, 2004

If this were real life, I would have piloted this helicopter with you still in it.

Warden posted:

Also, you're expecting poorly trained Russian conscripts just swim in mass, in combat gear, at this temperature and this weather?

Ukrainian soldiers on the other side of the bog: "Yes, please."

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Hahahaha fuuuuuuuck

https://gcaptain.com/ship-engine-makers-cut-russia-ties/

Finland’s Wartsila, a leading ship engine maker, has suspended business with Russia including equipment training while German counterpart MAN Energy Solutions is reviewing contracts, adding further trade pressure on Moscow.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Hahahaha fuuuuuuuck

https://gcaptain.com/ship-engine-makers-cut-russia-ties/

Finland’s Wartsila, a leading ship engine maker, has suspended business with Russia including equipment training while German counterpart MAN Energy Solutions is reviewing contracts, adding further trade pressure on Moscow.

Russia will just frame it as defending themselves from your destructive talents.

Baconroll
Feb 6, 2009
Ignoring the sanctions, won't this have killed any future demand for Russian arms from other countries ?

Very visible constant and repeated failure will kinda hurt demand. I appreciate there are many other issues related to the failures such as training/logistics etc, but who wants to buy the crap that lost.

Even small arms are likely cheaper from China.

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
https://i.imgur.com/C81Fl2z.mp4

wild. Would the US have interest in plane wreckage? Do they even have the latest working SU aircraft in their posession?

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Hahahaha fuuuuuuuck

https://gcaptain.com/ship-engine-makers-cut-russia-ties/

Finland’s Wartsila, a leading ship engine maker, has suspended business with Russia including equipment training while German counterpart MAN Energy Solutions is reviewing contracts, adding further trade pressure on Moscow.

They'll just get it from Dudes Rock Power Corp

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