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Splicer posted:The whole theme of the film is David's daddy issues and going after his creators. Killing a bunch of random dudes who just happen to look like the engineers doesn't really mesh with that. Also Prometheus ends with Shaw being all "Let's use this ship to go find the Engineer homeworld" and double also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus Hard to erase it down to what I'm responding to on phone, but David kills the Engineers just to screw around with stuff. He just likes tinkering, and releasing black goo on the planet allowed him to tinker and create stuff like the spores etc. as a side effect.
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PeterCat posted:Does he even have a penis? He probably doesn't have a penis, and yet David is chill af throughout both movies He gets angry once, when Billy Crudup wastes the neomorph he was taming
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The United States posted:At least we got this I forgot how fast things escalated in that scene. They go from throwing a basketball at her to immediately trying to cave her skull in with a weight bar.
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Per the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, Bishop canonically has a dong, and some of the novels and comics have “pleasure” synthetics and the like. As for Ash and David,  maybe?
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The creator that gives an Ash model a dong is crueler than 100 Davids.
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You just know the marines that Bishop was stationed with made some sort of weird betting game around getting Bishop to show each other his android junk.
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Mister Speaker posted:You just know the marines that Bishop was stationed with made some sort of weird betting game around getting Bishop to show each other his android junk. The knife game was originally Bishop stabbing either side of his dick and balls at high speed and evolved from there
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OrthoTrot posted:And the soundtrack is awful. I can't even remember the rest of the soundtrack so this could be true of that, but I thought the first half of the main theme was loving fantastic. If an Alien TV show existed, this would be a fitting intro theme.
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OrthoTrot posted:Currently trying to make it through Resurrection. Jesus, this is even worse than I remember. Yea I re watched a couple years ago, having not seen it for at least ten. The dialogue really is atrocious. I think the underwater scene is great though
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prometheus and covenant have some flaws but they arent unwatchable like resurrection is imo
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Resurrection is definitely the worst of them all by far. Massive waste of that director and cast on a Whedon script.OrthoTrot posted:And gently caress knows what Sigourney Weaver is attempting here. Why have her here if she's not only not playing Ripley but also not playing a character in any way similar to Ripley. I doubt she cared much beyond getting the scene where she's embracing the alien as it carries her to the queen part in. IIRC the wasn't even interested in doing another movie but they offered her such a sum of money why refuse it?
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FastestGunAlive posted:Yea I re watched a couple years ago, having not seen it for at least ten. The dialogue really is atrocious. I think the underwater scene is great though
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The cast makes Firefly look like that scene in Spaceballs where they capture the stunt doubles
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Neo Rasa posted:Resurrection is definitely the worst of them all by far. Massive waste of that director and cast on a Whedon script. Weaver specifically said she did the movie because she got to do something different with Ripley.
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Xenomrph posted:Weaver specifically said she did the movie because she got to do something different with Ripley. I am glad she got to do her thing then, I just wish the movie didn't suck so much.
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Yea she really wasn't interested in just doing another movie where a tortured Ripley has to face down the Alien again. The weirdness of Resurrection is like the main reason she even considered doing it, and then they also gave her some say in things and allowed her to use some of her own ideas.
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What she ends up doing is just terrible though. For someone so protective of the character it just seems like such an error. But in general so many elements of it that *can* work (up to a point) in other contexts just don't here. Like, how much worse Ron Perlman as Jonah is compared to Adam Baldwin as Jayne. Despite the fact that Perlman is actually an actor compared to whatever the gently caress Baldwin is. Whedon's script just falls so flat in these hands. Like, Whedon's stuff can be watchable. Most of the actors here are good. Jeunet is a good director. And together they made the shittiest loving movie imaginable.
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Alien res is okay. I could watch it. It’s not my favorite.
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Is there anything beyond the surface level "spaceship with a crew where 1 guy is big and mean" when people say its some proto firefly concept? Like it's not exactly a new idea.
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CelticPredator posted:Alien res is okay. I could watch it. It’s not my favorite. It had some OK set pieces and decent scenes but didn't really hold up as a narrative
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banned from Starbucks posted:Is there anything beyond the surface level "spaceship with a crew where 1 guy is big and mean" when people say its some proto firefly concept? It's mainly the Whedon style dialogue. If you have Whedon write a sci-fi about a spaceship crew then it's probably gonna feel a lot like Firefly because he only writes the one way.
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BiggerBoat posted:It had some OK set pieces and decent scenes but didn't really hold up as a narrative No but I don’t think it’s unwatchable. Idk. There’s a xenomorph in it and it’s rated R and it doesn’t get owned throughly by a predator so I don’t hate it
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I know a lot of women who had their first Queer Awakening from the Ripley/Call dynamic (even more than Janeway/Seven on Star Trek). I don't think this speaks to the artistic merit of the movie at all but at least Sigourney Weaver's performance choices were working for someone. Shame about Whedon being Whedon.
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i'd rather watch alien resurection than the alien vs predator movies but thats not saying much lol.
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CelticPredator posted:Alien 3 kicks rear end
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:i'd rather watch alien resurection than the alien vs predator movies but thats not saying much lol. Maybe not more than AvP1 but yeah if it was a choice I would definitely watch Resurrection over AvP Requiem. I'm not a big fan of AvP1 either though, that's another one where it felt like a lot of wasted potential in some ways but it's not quite the disaster I remembered it being when I rewatched it more recently. I mostly just hate that after all the build up and cat and mouse stuff and the humans figuring some stuff out it starts to get awesome...and then ends like 15 minutes after. The cast does a LOT of heavy lifting in that flick too which helps it out a lot.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Is there anything beyond the surface level "spaceship with a crew where 1 guy is big and mean" when people say its some proto firefly concept? They're both scrappy space pirates on lovingly maintained rust bucket ships who don't take no nonsense from anyone. And in both cases the film can't get enough of how morally ambiguous they are. Which is another area where Resurrection falls down. The Betty crew kidnap humans and sell them for science experiments and never express any remorse in the slightest. When they find Purvis, who they have basically killed in the most horrific manner except he hasn't technically died yet, they just don't seem to care at all. The tone of the whole thing is off, and for all it's faults Firefly threads the needle on that much better.
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OrthoTrot posted:They're both scrappy space pirates on lovingly maintained rust bucket ships who don't take no nonsense from anyone. And in both cases the film can't get enough of how morally ambiguous they are. I'm doing a Buffy/Angel rewatch at the moment but I've never seen Firefly at all. I used to have a friend on another forum who really liked a character on Firefly...I wanna say the name started with a J. He thought this character was a good example of a believable Chaotic Evil type, ya know, like from D&D. Somebody who isn't the Joker, who isn't burning down everything for giggles, but is still nevertheless a selfish bastard. He was compared to the character of Lindsey in Angel based on how they both have a conscience but they're really good at ignoring it. Kinda random but what you said about moral ambiguity in the show reminded me of it because I think this character was one of the protagonists on Firefly.
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Jayne. Played by gamergate name coiner Adam Baldwin
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Weaver is part of the main problem with Resurrection. Whedon sucks, but as seen with some things he's touched, the right director can make his writing bearable. Whedon wrote this huge sprawling comic book movie epic with hundreds of aliens and wall to wall action with the idea of 90s John Woo being the director (he threw a lot of duel wielding guns in; it's super obvious). Weaver put her input in and wanted to have sex with an alien and Jeunet directed and put his input in and it became this Frankensteins monster of a movie that has three distinct visions fighting with each other. It's kind of fascinating for that reason; you can see the tug of war while watching the movie. It's also a very interesting thing because the script leaked a year before the movie came out, so anyone who read it way back then before seeing the movie was just like "wtf" when they saw the movie; while everyone else kind of retrofits what they already saw when looking back at the script. Darko fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Yet, from the actual Alien 4, we can plainly see that Weaver’s vision for the film is vastly more interesting than Jeunet’s fitfully-amusing Lexx-styled European sex farce - let alone Whedon’s nerd dogshit. Also it’s clear that Weaver’s vision best aligns with what Ridley Scott has been doing since.
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Is the end of Critters 4 a riff on the end of Alien3? You have a formerly good character come back as the villain at the end.
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PeterCat posted:Is the end of Critters 4 a riff on the end of Alien3? they came out too close together for it to be anything but coincidence
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:they came out too close together for it to be anything but coincidence Weird. Maybe there was a common influence?
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OrthoTrot posted:Ash and David are cruel and sadistic to humans because they seem to feel humans deserve it, not because they stand to really gain anything themselves. We do deserve it, though — which is why Ash and David are great characters. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Also it’s clear that Weaver’s vision best aligns with what Ridley Scott has been doing since. In what way?
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