The Titanic posted:

This is pretty much the use case.

Rebel Faction Outlaw also did it except they basically built a whole graphic editing suite into their game so you could paint your ship all kinds of creative things if you so chose.

LostRook posted:

From the top comment on that video:

I'd like to know what 2 games CIG has made in the last 6 years, and I'd really like to see what a game with triple SC's budget would look like since wikipedia lists it as having the largest development budget in gaming history by a significant margin.

Shazback posted:

The highest honor, to be quoted by Mirificus.

BiggestOrangeTree posted:

I'm sure adding dynamic painted transparency effects (that will need to be synced across players no less) to every ship surface won't have an impact on performance

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/1507331548785356805

Antigravitas posted:

They can't hope that future hardware will solve their problems. And those problems are non-trivial.

JugbandDude posted:

I can’t tell if you are joking with the game name, but I loved it. Might I try Rebel Faction Outlaw Renegade as well?

Would it bother you to see the most offensive symbols and phrases on ships? posted:

Per moderation guidance, do not name any specific symbol or phrase or legal ramification for this discussion or the reply may be removed.

Consider that with hull stripping, anything could be drawn on your ship or anyone else's. You may not even know it's been done to your ship.

Would that bother you? Would you want your kids to see such 'creativity'? Or would you just accept that it's a free 'verse and anything goes?

I thought about in game reporting but not sure how anything could be enforced because the owner of the ship may not be the perpetrator.

Even if metadata is recorded of who 'drew' it, two people could just draw half the naughtiness and technically not do anything wrong.

If the hull stripping had a really random and muddled result, maybe anything drawn wouldn't be recognizable? I don't know what could be done.

So, do you think there should be any attempt to censor or mitigate things or can you ignore any potential offensiveness?

*** After a hundred replies, I think the best solution is to either randomize or template the hull stripping or repair process. That way there is no questionable material produced by players cuz we're all a little sus.

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Before we begin, please define your "offensive".

OP posted:

Nope! I had a previous post deleted for mentioning specific symbols. If you can't discuss abstractions then don't worrry about this thread.

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or, we could just not go so far out of our way to fabricate drama to try to gather gudboi or gudgarl points for being so politically sensitive.

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oh, sure. no problem.
however, this discussion centers around a desire (of yours) to control what people are allowed to do (or, barring that, remove control) based on your delicate sensibilities. over and over again, you project your thin skin onto others with... let's just call them "questionable arguments."
you've given us false dichotomies. whataboutisms. you won't get specific on what these "symbols" are, so no one can have a real conversation about the hypothetical hurt feelings in your scenarios.
it all feels like a bad faith argument.

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i'm not arguing that the ToS can't be violated. just your idea that we (the entire community) can't be trusted with the feature because of hypothetical trolls, potentially hurting your feelings for a few minutes before they're banned.
i don't agree with it. i just don't. and spoiler alert: i'm never going to agree that i shouldn't be allowed to do something because someone else is stupid and does stupid things. that's the rhetoric of tyrants, dictators, and various other undesirable people.

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I for one, am all about freedom of creativity and expression. When creativity is suppressed, everything becomes subjective. Pretty sure my children being exposed to "symbols" can't be any worse that what today's main stream media news pollutes their social media apps.

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" - Thomas Jefferson

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no.

Being offended is a sign of weakness.

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Define flag of hate?

For some it's extreme right wing flags
For others it's terrorist organisation flags
For others it's simply the flag of a country they have a bad relation to
For others it's the LGTB flag
For others it can be religious symbol
For others it can be the lack of a religious symbol
And for many it's all of the above

It's about utilizing something to elicit an emotional response, for someone to be offended. If you are a grown up, you deal with it, it's that simple.
The problem with symbols and being offended is that it is entirely subjective.

In the end it's all about CIG TOS and we hand over the information we have about a possible incident to them and let them handle it.

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If anything the insane ramblings of insane people posting their pathetic views on ships hulls makes the game more immersive.

Everything cannot be regulated and assholes will always find ways to be assholes and i trust CIG will be able to handle them if the need arises.

Not to mention that "offensive" images can be greatly misunderstood by people who mistakes one image for another when they only see what they want to see.

The ancient sun symbol of prosperity and luck that were perverted by the Nazi's by tilting it on it's side is one image that will always be mistaken for something offensive when only the nazi symbol is the offensive one while the others have been in multiple religions for thousands of years.

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20210816-the-ancient-symbol-that-was-hijacked-by-evil

Mirificus posted:

Fruits of the sea posted:

Would it be possible to sell a Star Citizen account from 2014/2015? I remember reading somewhere that folks wanted to pay extra for old accounts for some reason.

It came up in conversation with some friends today - I think they would actually like the game to come out but would much rather have the money to spend on something that exists and can be used now

Mirificus posted:

smellmycheese posted:

Straight in at the top of the chart for Crob in this list of dodgy in game microtransactions

https://www.pcgamer.com/worst-microtransactions/

JugbandDude posted:

I can’t tell if you are joking with the game name, but I loved it. Might I try Rebel Faction Outlaw Renegade as well?

The Titanic posted:

Not sure how cig will handle accountability

Time_pants posted:

You aren't???

The Titanic posted:

Not sure how cig will handle accountability for people being creative with a system that lets people draw "art" on stuff.

I'm also not sure what sort of data problems this brings up, both with storing it as well as sending it to users that come into contact with ships that have been "arted" upon.

I'm looking forward to future screenshots of beautiful ships landing on planets with giant penises etched upon them, swastikas, foul language, and probably random phone numbers and other doxxing related content.

Or more realistically, this video is all you ever get of the system and it will never make it to the game, but it will be forever pinioned as the tier 0 implementation and cig has achieved victory again.

Popete posted:

How do you say "Where is ToW?" in Banu?

trucutru posted:

(great)battle (methaphorical)location is where

trucutru posted:

(great)battle (methaphorical)location is where


Oh, you think I am kidding, right? I assure you, I'm not.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/vg5vq01b40voor/source/Rust-Society-Banu-Guide.pdf

History Comes Inside! posted:

Wait so it just so happens that in the language of the space aliens who love to be merchants, the words for “Merchant” and “Man” developed to be basically “Machando” and “Mano”?

Like how real languages have similar words due to sharing common ancestral languages or borrowing them from other languages they encounter. Except this is by coincidence because they’re loving space aliens who would have no common ancestral language, and since they love being merchants would surely already have their own words for the concept and not need to borrow one from English once they encountered humans.

What.

TheDarkFlame posted:

To be unnecessarily fair to CIG, if I were an alien shipbuilder who wanted to sell something to the human empire, I would give it a name that they can understand to make things easier. Branding, essentially.

I doubt CIG thought about it even this much.

Mirificus posted:

monocle cat posted:

Yes keep both, they have completely different roles and both will increase in price in the next few months.

Hull C: large capacity hauler incapable of landing planetside while fully loaded, minimal weapons.

Banu Merchantman: very long range floating bazaar and home caravan with fighter bay and huge 'F-off' canon.

The Banu Merchantman can fly along with the Hull C as escort, and the Hull C can restock the Banu Merchantman which can land planeside to sell it's wares.

The first contact between the Banu and humans is an interesting story. A criminal Banu was on the run from the Banu Protectorate and he strayed (alone) into a system where humans were. The Earthling ship started firing upon the Banu Merchantman but it didn't fire back, didn't launch it's Defender and didn't try to run away - it just waited for the Earthling to give up and then made a radio call. That tells you a lot about the confidence they had in their Banu Merchantman.

There is an old apocryphal Indian camp fire story - The Mouse and the Elephant - it teaches children about karma.

One day a mouse was scurrying through the underbrush and he heard a female elephant roaring in pain. He approached the elephant and asked what was the trouble. The elephant pointed with it's trunk to a thorn in it's foot. The mouse hopped onto the elephants foot and using it's teeth pulled out the thorn.

The elephant was very grateful and said if the mouse ever needed anything he should just ask. The mouse replied - "Well there is one thing, I haven't had sex for months can I have sex with you?" The female elephant couldn't believe what she was hearing but she said.. sure.. OK if you want to. So the mouse ran to the back of the elephant and got busy.

The female elephant was laughing so hard she was shaking and had to lean against a tree, big coconuts began to fall on her head and she cried out in pain - whereupon the mouse yelled "Yeah! Suffer baby... Suffer!"

This reminds me of the Banu / Human first contact story.

trucutru posted:

(great)battle (methaphorical)location is where


Oh, you think I am kidding, right? I assure you, I'm not.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/vg5vq01b40voor/source/Rust-Society-Banu-Guide.pdf

History Comes Inside! posted:

Wait so it just so happens that in the language of the space aliens who love to be merchants, the words for “Merchant” and “Man” developed to be basically “Machando” and “Mano”?

Like how real languages have similar words due to sharing common ancestral languages or borrowing them from other languages they encounter. Except this is by coincidence because they’re loving space aliens who would have no common ancestral language, and since they love being merchants would surely already have their own words for the concept and not need to borrow one from English once they encountered humans.

What.

History Comes Inside! posted:

Wait so it just so happens that in the language of the space aliens who love to be merchants, the words for “Merchant” and “Man” developed to be basically “Machando” and “Mano”?

Like how real languages have similar words due to sharing common ancestral languages or borrowing them from other languages they encounter. Except this is by coincidence because they’re loving space aliens who would have no common ancestral language, and since they love being merchants would surely already have their own words for the concept and not need to borrow one from English once they encountered humans.

What.

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Mbabaram is famous in linguistic circles for a striking coincidence in its vocabulary. When Dixon finally managed to meet Bennett, he began his study of the language by eliciting a few basic nouns; among the first of these was the word for "dog". Bennett supplied the Mbabaram translation, dog. Dixon suspected that Bennett had not understood the question, or that Bennett's knowledge of Mbabaram had been tainted by decades of using English. But it turned out that the Mbabaram word for "dog" was in fact dúg, pronounced almost identically to the Australian English word. The similarity is a complete coincidence: there is no discernible relationship between English and Mbabaram.

Tippis posted:

I forget, which of the racist stereotypes are the Banu based on?

Sankis posted:

Hey, it can happen!! There's an interesting story about the language of the Mbabaram people of Australia.

Granted humans have a finite combination of sounds they can make its even less likely when it involves an alien that can presumably make different sounds.

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What would you call an internal Beta? (There will no player accessible beta for Squadron 42). It's bugfixing and tech debt isn't it? Add a little 'miscellaneous support'- that's 39 teams of the 50+ teams at CIG all working on 'bug fixing, tech debt and miscellaneous support' - it's on the Progress Tracker.

You say you 'know' Squadron 42 will not be finished (and ready for a playable release presumably) this month, but do you know when Chris has decided that Squadron 42 Episode One is feature complete and ready for beta testing? Last August he said he was moving his whole family to the UK to 'close out' Squadron 42... you can LOL and scoff all you want.. but deciding that CIG is simply too incompetent to add new deliverables to such a detailed roadmap and progress tracker seems somewhat perversely negative in attitude to me especially when CIG have zero qualms or difficulty adding new deliverables to the Progress Tracker for the PU.

How long will the internal beta test phase take? We don't know... I'm guessing - and have said since Q3 last year - I expect Squadron 42 to be released for the 10th anniversary of the kickstarter in October this year. Everyday that passes with no new deliverables being added to the Progress Tracker reinforces my conviction that they are indeed into an internal beta test phase. There are Squadron 42 features worked on years ago which don't even appear on the Progress Tracker - the Spectrum being one of them.

They keep talking about being 'On track' for a Pyro release sometime later this year - it's interesting that the two systems between Stanton and Odin are Pyro and Nyx, we know they have worked on Nyx - it's on the Progress Tracker.

To answer the question 'why do so many tasks and Squadron 42 chapters end at the last day of March' - this question has already been answered, and is again indicative of the state of the games development. We have been told 'Downstream teams' - the 'finishers and polishers' only have worked allocated 1 month at a time whereas the builder 'upstream teams' have their work allocated in 6 month blocks. Ergo - the majority of remaining work aside from Bug Fixing & Tech Debt / Miscellaneous Support' for Squadron 42 is being done by the 'downstream teams' and the Progress Tracker for those teams will get an update at the end of March.

It's kind of a 'no brainer' to realise at some point all new work would end and no new features would be added, here it is staring us in the face and still people refuse to even contemplate it may well signal that we are indeed in the very final phase of Squadron 42 Episode One production.

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Chris is no stranger to franchising and licensing. Star Citizen is a 4 game (up to now) planned franchise, the Calder family bought non-voting rights stock options in Cloud Imperium Games - guess what their speciality is... licensing and franchising.

Here's a fun fact. 75% of all LucasArts revenue didn't come from movie tickets sales or streaming media/TV sales, it came from licensing products as varied as cauliflower florets and life sized star wars figures and costumes. If you listen to Mark Hamills address at the Oxford Students Union (on Youtube) you'll hear him joke about how his face was on the boring stuff and the 'robot's were all on the stuff kids liked more.

Chris Roberts will be aiming to have toys in the stores - and many other things - it will fund the future development of the franchise, but those injection molded toys take huge investments a single mold can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars - JR Fabrications only investment is in the plastic filament and man hours to 3D print the models.

Lammasu posted:

There is an Australian town called Eromanga.