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Aero737
Apr 30, 2006
The correct answer is buy all the helicopters

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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

helicopters aren't anywhere near as cool as beautiful pointy swooshy planes, but i accept that some people are into them and can't help it, like fart fetishists

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

Dandywalken posted:

I'm an Apache slut. I'm a slut for the Apache.

I don't identify as one or whatever, that's just dumb and offensive. But I might just gently caress one once they patch the desync.

Miserable, non-binary helicopters are all we deserve.

EvilBlackRailgun
Jan 28, 2007


Start with the F16 or 18, then pick up the Hind or Apache imo

Unimpressed
Feb 13, 2013

Does the Apache have the second crew member AI like the RIO in the Tomcat?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Unimpressed posted:

Does the Apache have the second crew member AI like the RIO in the Tomcat?

It has AI, and it's functional, but I wouldn't say it's like the Tomcat. Not yet, anyway.

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat

Baronash posted:

:getin:


With a sale on the horizon: I just started playing a few weeks ago, and I tried out the F-16 and was learning some of the basics before the trial week ended. Is there any reason I wouldn't want to buy that as my first payware plane? Are there more popular options, or something that's better for someone new to sims?

I'd recommend the tomcat, viggen, jeff, Flaming Cliffs 3, mig-21, f-5, hornet. Tomcat and Hornet have the best campaigns.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Did they add content like missions and tutorials to the f16? The f18 was more complete last I played

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
F-5 is the pluckiest little guy but SOME PEOPLE fill every mission with boring rear end vipers and hornets.

Wolfy
Jul 13, 2009

mlmp08 posted:

F-5 is the pluckiest little guy but SOME PEOPLE fill every mission with boring rear end vipers and hornets.
were posting on something awful dot com, we love staring at computer screens

Sauer
Sep 13, 2005

Socialize Everything!
The air conditioner vents in the F-18 are adjustable. You just don't get this level of fidelity anywhere else.

Saul Kain
Dec 5, 2018

Lately it occurs to me,

what a long, strange trip it's been.


Sauer posted:

The air conditioner vents in the F-18 are adjustable. You just don't get this level of fidelity anywhere else.

My little fan in the Hind begs to differ.

Snapshot
Oct 22, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat

Sauer posted:

The air conditioner vents in the F-18 are adjustable. You just don't get this level of fidelity anywhere else.

Don’t forget the Jeff’s pilot death by overheating when you turn the ecs up to defog.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

In the Viggen, if you have the canopy open on the ground and the weather is below freezing, you can hear your teeth chattering.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Sauer posted:

The air conditioner vents in the F-18 are adjustable. You just don't get this level of fidelity anywhere else.

The controls on the M4s in the Apache are also adjustable. You cannot work the charging handle however, there isn't room.

CmdrSmirnoff
Oct 27, 2005
happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy
The sale is on! If I feel like dropping some Queen Elizabeths on either the Mirage or Viggen, which should I get? I have the F14, Mig-21, A10-II, and Huey.

Sagebrush posted:

In the Viggen, if you have the canopy open on the ground and the weather is below freezing, you can hear your teeth chattering.

This is a pretty compelling point in favour of the Viggen

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

CmdrSmirnoff posted:

The sale is on! If I feel like dropping some Queen Elizabeths on either the Mirage or Viggen, which should I get? I have the F14, Mig-21, A10-II, and Huey.

This is a pretty compelling point in favour of the Viggen

Mirage is awesome, maybe my favorite module. But it lives in a kind of limbo because it’s too advanced for the Cold War servers but is outclassed by the modern Fox3 airplanes. It’s still very capable in the right hands especially if you get to the merge, but fighting against SpAMRAAMs is an uphill battle.

If you plan to play online, at least the Viggen will have a very good place on Cold War servers (Enigma)

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007

Not too stupid

mlmp08 posted:

F-5 is the pluckiest little guy but SOME PEOPLE fill every mission with boring rear end vipers and hornets.

F-5 is the best plane to fly low over an airfield at transonic speeds and proceed to drop a string of bombs that hits nothing.

Or better yet refuses to drop at all since you left the jettison select on from when you dropped your tanks.

I've killed more armored vehicles with guns than bombs, and the guns are not that good.

Snapshot
Oct 22, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat

CmdrSmirnoff posted:

The sale is on! If I feel like dropping some Queen Elizabeths on either the Mirage or Viggen, which should I get? I have the F14, Mig-21, A10-II, and Huey.

This is a pretty compelling point in favour of the Viggen

The viggen. Data cartridge, stol, best anti shipping missile, some mavericks, and other fun a2g weaponry. It sucks at bvr (nothing but heaters), and dropping heavy or precision ordnance. Countermeasures are optional, but if you’re in the weeds like you should be you’ll be masked all the way in.

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler
The Robot 05 missile the Viggen gets that you just control with a joystick is so much fun.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Bondematt posted:

I've killed more armored vehicles with guns than bombs, and the guns are not that good.

One of the problems is that DCS nerds are obsessed with killing main battle tanks with unguided bombs. Plucky planes like the F-5 and A-4 are a joy to fly, but don't fulfill the power fantasy of a mediocre to outright bad pilot being able to wipe the floor with enemy heaviest armor formations.

When going for softer targets, it can be a real fucker once you have some practice and embrace Big Bomb, High Speed, vs the snakeyes imo.







skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Bondematt posted:

F-5 is the best plane to fly low over an airfield at transonic speeds and proceed to drop a string of bombs that hits nothing.

Or better yet refuses to drop at all since you left the jettison select on from when you dropped your tanks.

I've killed more armored vehicles with guns than bombs, and the guns are not that good.

Because bombs in DCS basically don't work except for absolutely spot on direct hits. I dropped an -82 on an Zu-23 and it took maybe 30% damage :wtc: Like, the concussion alone would take out the crew, at least for a few minutes.

Edit: Speaking of power fantasies that don't work out. I flew the FA18 into a huge flight of Mi-8s and Hinds intended to just clean up. The Aim-7s wouldn't lock on even in helo mode (acceptable, it's hard), flares work really well against sidewinders, and you really feel how limited 500 rounds in such a quick firing gun feels. I almost always got wasted by one of the Hind's cannons. The P-51 actually felt like a better choice for this kind of thing and I got more kills before I died.

skooma512 fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Mar 29, 2022

Quite A Tool
Jul 4, 2004

The answer is... 42

Snapshot posted:

The viggen. Data cartridge, stol, best anti shipping missile, some mavericks, and other fun a2g weaponry. It sucks at bvr (nothing but heaters), and dropping heavy or precision ordnance. Countermeasures are optional, but if you’re in the weeds like you should be you’ll be masked all the way in.

I adore the Viggen. Feels great flying amongst the trees and popping up for a strike and then GTFO. I bought the F-14 in the last sale and I’ve barely used it because I just wanna Viggen whenever I play.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

I have the F14 now :sun:



It's sooooo friggin cool to make it go. Everything rattles and shakes and vibrates and Jester shits his pants if you do fun stuff! I'm still coming to term with just how old school this variant is. And how fast it burns through its tanks on afterburner!

Snapshot
Oct 22, 2004

damnit Matt get in the boat

Lord Stimperor posted:

I have the F14 now :sun:



It's sooooo friggin cool to make it go. Everything rattles and shakes and vibrates and Jester shits his pants if you do fun stuff! I'm still coming to term with just how old school this variant is. And how fast it burns through its tanks on afterburner!

Has he punched out because you scared him yet? It’s even better with a human rio; ping dcs general sometime and someone will backseat for you.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Snapshot posted:

Has he punched out because you scared him yet?

That's a thing?


Coward. How do I disable his ejection seat?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Lord Stimperor posted:

I have the F14 now :sun:



It's sooooo friggin cool to make it go. Everything rattles and shakes and vibrates

The F-14 and the F-5 are the two planes that feel the most like real airplanes to me.

Not that I've flown either one in real life, but real planes do creak and rattle and shake and whoosh like that, and they get blown around and don't always do exactly what you say. Fly by wire jets to me always feel just a little bit like flying a plane in a video game (:razz:). Pull the joystick, point the nose, and the plane just goes where it's pointing. Boring. The F-14 and F-5 both give you some attitude when you push them hard, and landing one of those in a crosswind feels much more like landing a real plane.

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

Sagebrush posted:

The F-14 and the F-5 are the two planes that feel the most like real airplanes to me.

Not that I've flown either one in real life, but real planes do creak and rattle and shake and whoosh like that, and they get blown around and don't always do exactly what you say. Fly by wire jets to me always feel just a little bit like flying a plane in a video game (:razz:). Pull the joystick, point the nose, and the plane just goes where it's pointing. Boring. The F-14 and F-5 both give you some attitude when you push them hard, and landing one of those in a crosswind feels much more like landing a real plane.

*Mig-21 joins the conversation*

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Animal posted:

*Mig-21 joins the conversation*

MiG-21 doesn't so much fly as, it just takes a while for it to fall out of the sky.

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!
Tomcat is kicking rad and goon missions needs more slots for them :radcat:

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

Xakura posted:

Tomcat is kicking rad and goon missions needs more slots for them :radcat:

You mean, besides the 4-ship of tomcats already in every mission?

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Don't tell anyone I told you this but if you ask really nicely the mission will sometimes be fiddled with so a spare plane appears of the type you want.

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

Ice Fist posted:

You mean, besides the 4-ship of tomcats already in every mission?

You mean like right now when it is only 2, and weekends when it's only vipes and hornets?

But yes, I think we could run more than 4

Xakura fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Mar 30, 2022

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Alchenar posted:

Don't tell anyone I told you this but if you ask really nicely the mission will sometimes be fiddled with so a spare plane appears of the type you want.

I-16 escort.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

MrYenko posted:

I-16 escort.

You joke but that's probably the solution to HInds constantly massacring goons attempting to do fly-bys in expensive hot jets.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Alchenar posted:

You joke but that's probably the solution to HInds constantly massacring goons attempting to do fly-bys in expensive hot jets.

:ussr:

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

Xakura posted:

You mean like right now when it is only 2, and weekends when it's only vipes and hornets?

But yes, I think we could run more than 4

I didn't know the current campaign was only using a 2 ship flight. It is Vaha's favorite plane so it's in every mission. Every one.

I seriously can't recall a mission in recent memory when there weren't Tomcats. It's a goon favorite. The only real strike against it is each plane counts double against the max player count. That and I guess when it comes to goons and DCS the bug and viper are more popular easier to fly - and more versatile.

Btw I'm not *really* arguing with you. I was being a smart rear end with the first post, but I'm not against having more cats. Just gotta make a mission where the Tomcat is featured more.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
We will do a Vietnam era mission with A-4s and F-5s and Hueys and MiG-21s, and a flight of F-14s will be there somehow and their mission will be to not land until 30 minutes after the mission is over.

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

mlmp08 posted:

We will do a Vietnam era mission with A-4s and F-5s and Hueys and MiG-21s, and a flight of F-14s will be there somehow and their mission will be to not land until 30 minutes after the mission is over.

You son of a bitch, I'm in :radcat:

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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
In our current campaign, consistency is very key. If you find me reliable pilots and RIO's, I find you slots.
Same for Israeli planes.

We already had to drop the C-130 from our plans due to it not getting used, and potentially if I add another Tomcat which takes two player spots each, I'm now sacrificing some other plane spot. And it really stinks when the tomcat doesn't show up, and the RIO who has never flown the plane is now left standing on the beach, longingly wishing they'd get to play.

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