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Main Paineframe posted:The unemployment rate has actually returned to pre-pandemic levels, and wage growth in 2021 actually was well above pre-pandemic levels. By those metrics, the current situation is nothing like (for example) the 2008 recession. It's just that prices are also shooting upward at rates not seen in decades, especially the prices of basic goods like food and gas, with no particular policy response beyond "wait for the supply chain to untangle itself". And with the events happening in Ukraine, it's only going to get worse. I'm p. sure more people left the workforce during the 2020-21 recession than in the 2008-09 recession. While some of it might be due to boomers retiring, a good chunk of it was younger-than-that women, iirc.
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Mar 27, 2022 20:30
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I attended a government job fair once and the one presenter told everyone all the ways you could use whatever you wanted unless you were dumb enough to admit to it or get caught on a test. He also had a lot to say about cocaine and how much of it he did, which was an interesting thing to announce right after the first thing. Really sucks for that person though
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Mar 27, 2022 20:35
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Sharkie posted:The economy is doing fine. You must be ignorant how great the numbers are. Here, look at the numbers. another chart: 
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/anyalehr/status/1507831469439393807?t=jMmX4B4oXx2rv8nXB-8KQg&s=19 I wonder what happened to the Feinstein staffer who was fired for complaining about her office's racism & filmed himself smoking a blunt at her desk on his way out & then put the video up on youtube.
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This is kind of surprising: Biden's numbers are still less than Trump's were before the pandemic. I guess that, along with wages not keeping up with inflation, could help explain Biden's polling on the economy.
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Mar 27, 2022 20:44
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Willa Rogers posted:another chart: It seems that the wage increases brought upon the pandemic are decreasing as fast as they rose.
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punk rebel ecks posted:It seems that the wage increases brought upon the pandemic are decreasing as fast as they rose. I mean, as Leon pointed out while arguing that economic-polling responses were irrational, most of the wage increases skewed toward lower-wage workers. And as I pointed out in response, giving someone $11/hour instead of $10 isn't gonna mean jackshit when their rent & food costs increase by 30 percent.
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/anyalehr/status/1507831469439393807?t=jMmX4B4oXx2rv8nXB-8KQg&s=19 It's really hard to feel sorry for her because, like... what did she expect. Did she somehow take a job for working for Joe Biden without actually knowing who he is?
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Mar 27, 2022 21:10
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Sanctions work when the country is not entirely isolated from the wider world and it's economic and cultural sphere and is not a double digit part of that sphere in its own right. They worked with South Africa, and Rhodesia and Serbia. They don't work with Iran or North Korea or Burma. They might work with Israel but the idea that a giant like China could even be begun to be sanctioned in an equivalent way is pretty unrealistic. I am pro-sanctions against Russia and a whole lot more, because I already sanction them personally every way I can. Surprisingly enough it is a more complicated issue than the simplistic equivocations made by some people, which is well demonstrated when they refuse to condemn BDS because that would force them to side with their domestic enemies. Additionally I am fully in the belief that the same people boycott several nations with their personal purchases, would not invest in them nor support state or private investments in them and vote for policies, politicians and parties that are interested in cutting trade, economic support, economic links and so on with at least one country, usually multiple ones. The idea that somehow they still oppose the natural conclusion of the above things is even more laid bare with excuses like "Well Israel should be sanctioned because they are a bad state like this but Russia should not because they are bad state like that". For example, I don't buy fossil fuels, I use public transport that don't use fossil fuels and I support economic policies and a political party that go towards zero fossil fuels. If we have to buy fossil fuels, I'd prefer to get it from countries that at very minimum don't invade other countries (so like Norway and Nigeria, not Saudi-Arabia or U.S.) I want this to happen at a state level, and I want it also to happen. As fast as possible. So do most people here I figure. The natural conclusion of these is an existential threat to Russia at same level as the sanctions are, if not greater. So why should I not support this happening faster? Because of the suffering of Russian people? Should I support a measure that mandates Finland and/or the EU to continue to buy Russian oil/gas at a certain level then? Oppose the zero carbon drive of the EU and making it even faster? No? Why not? There will be suffering for the Russian people either way. I'd like someone to explain how they fit the above points into a coherent argument instead of blithely dismissing it because they can't face the inherent hypocrisy and illogical conclusions of their anti-sanctions only for certain countries/pro green revolution/anti-Russian sanctions stances. Personally I'm seeing a huge increase in transition towards carbon neutrality that no climate deals or political lobbying has ever achieved in my country and the EU, cutting out economic links to an autocratic fascist belligerent nation currently waging war on a peaceful neighbor and the negatives are that the people in that nation will suffer. Well, they would suffer if we did this poo poo in peacetime too through political decisions, and I would completely support this level of drive towards less reliance on fossil fuels in peacetime, so...I think my stance is pretty logical here. I'd like to see some actual attempts at explaining why it is not. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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Mar 27, 2022 21:57
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Why anybody would admit to smoking weed for a job that will require clearance is beyond me lol. Foolishness.
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Mar 27, 2022 21:59
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How are u posted:Why anybody would admit to smoking weed for a job that will require clearance is beyond me lol. Foolishness. "They're an idiot for following the rules" is an indictment of the system, not the person.
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Mar 27, 2022 22:01
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Gumball Gumption posted:"They're an idiot for following the rules" is an indictment of the system, not the person. https://youtu.be/mcO-pR0upcM What is the Democratic Party and their supporters in the United States government? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 27, 2022 22:19
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How are u posted:Why anybody would admit to smoking weed for a job that will require clearance is beyond me lol. Foolishness. I know my office (in Red Georgia) doesn't even test for marijuana in their drug test for hiring anymore. Openly say as much as well.
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Mar 27, 2022 22:42
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Willa Rogers posted:And as I pointed out in response, giving someone $11/hour instead of $10 isn't gonna mean jackshit when their rent & food costs increase by 30 percent. This may be a regional thing, but over where I'm at minimum wage jobs had their wages spike by near 50%. You have people working at fast food making near $20 per hour.
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Mar 27, 2022 22:47
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How are u posted:Why anybody would admit to smoking weed for a job that will require clearance is beyond me lol. Foolishness. lying to the feds is a Bad Life Decision Gumball Gumption posted:"They're an idiot for following the rules" is an indictment of the system, not the person. This. The ban on weed consumption for these jobs is a very stupid relic - iirc a legislatively mandated one.
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Mar 27, 2022 22:51
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GreyjoyBastard posted:This. The ban on weed consumption for these jobs is a very stupid relic - iirc a legislatively mandated one. Oh I wholeheartedly agree, but if you're going to DC to Play The Game you should probably be ready to, you know, do what needs to be done.
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It's technically illegal to lie on the employment forms and they usually tell you its better to tell the truth then be caught in a lie later, and I'm pretty sure many of the people in question were specifically told the government would overlook it, only for Joe to change his mind after the fact so. You know.
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Mar 27, 2022 23:20
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Gumball Gumption posted:"They're an idiot for following the rules" is an indictment of the system, not the person. Agreeing with this but also remembering the tweet reply that was like "local eloi outraged at receiving treatment normally reserved for morlocks" and chuckling a bit
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Systems where everybody is expected to do their best to cheat to win are broken and generally reward the worst people, even moreso when the power dynamic is hosed... it's a race to the bottom. In taxes, employment, consumerism, and other aspects our of society many (rightfully) expect nothing more than to be hosed, and endeavor to gently caress back. It weakens us all because we're trapped in this from birth.
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Sharkie posted:The economy is doing fine. You must be ignorant how great the numbers are. Here, look at the numbers. I'm aware of all this and even mentioned that the way "the economy" is doing and how it's measured support the idea that it's on loving fire. I keep hearing that and seeing charts like you posted. I know. I was saying that nobody I know actually seems to feel this way so it's not just me with "unfounded concerns". Even the people I know who make money don't seem to have any loving money. I can't possibly be alone noticing this and I'm not just being anecdotal about my own personal situation. I don't know a single person that is really experiencing or psyched about all this rear end kicking we're supposedly doing. And if people were - if it was benefiting the majority of the electorate - then, trust me, Biden's approval ratings would not be in the shitter right now. It's palpable and no one feels like their getting ahead in this boom. Quite the opposite: everyone feels squeezed to the bone. Maybe I hang in the wrong circles. If this is what "booming" looks like, I don't want to see what a crash or even what "normal" regular old economy might be and I stand by my statements about housing and healthcare expenses.
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BRJurgis posted:Systems where everybody is expected to do their best to cheat to win are broken and generally reward the worst people, even moreso when the power dynamic is hosed... it's a race to the bottom. This is every system devised and run by humans, ever. Sorry you had to learn that here. But we should still try to improve these systems. Another example is trans people trying to receive healthcare. What could we do to make it easier for trans people to receive healthcare so they won't have to "cheat" by ordering meds online or tweaking their presentation/personal narratives to get necessary surgery? BiggerBoat posted:I'm aware of all this and even mentioned that the way "the economy" is doing and how it's measured support the idea that it's on loving fire. I keep hearing that and seeing charts like you posted. I know. Literally just anecdotes. Once again, please look at the numbers and the hard data, like the fact the price of pork and beans is down 8%. SOURCE: https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1410709115333234691 Sharkie fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Your snarky comments are never directed at anyone and don't foster a great conversation about anything to be honest. You treat this place like a punching bag to vent your anger. Someone posted a more detailed breakdown by month earlier in the thread and what a coincidence, his approval ratings crossed into the negative on the same month that the covid relief program came to an end.
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It was about the same time that the BBB died as well
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We're on track to seeing the largest deficit decline in history. SOURCE: https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1503837469434855431 So I have to think the people clutching their pearls about the economy are doing it performatively because they're reluctant to hand Biden this well-deserved win.
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I swear to god, no one cares about the deficit. Republicans stopped caring about it when Bush was president. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Biden is living in the past that way.
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Sharkie posted:This is every system devised and run by humans, ever. Sorry you had to learn that here. Why should anyone follow, support, or vote for anyone who believes good systems aren't possible? Democrats aren't trying get healthcare for trans people. The Vice President fought to keep trans prisoners from getting surgery and put trans women in men's facilities. And if I could highlight one tweet that was universally mocked by the working class, you picked it. Everything has become more expensive, including food, and anyone who buys their own groceries is painfully aware of that fact. But imagine how empty and impotent a platform must be to try to brag about bringing the cost of 4th of July cookouts down by mere cents. Bishyaler fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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It's almost like if a party ran on addressing this issue they would dominate politics. 
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punk rebel ecks posted:It's almost like if a party ran on addressing this issue they would dominate politics. But you'd piss off all your major donors and no one can run and win without the big donors!!!11!
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FlamingLiberal posted:I swear to god, no one cares about the deficit. Republicans stopped caring about it when Bush was president. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Biden is living in the past that way. If it wasn't going to harm so many people, it would be legitimately funny how thoroughly Joe Manchin has owned the Biden administration relative to the early spin about what a good soldier he secretly was for the party and how he was just tricking the Cletuses and Brandines back in the holler with performative opposition
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punk rebel ecks posted:It's almost like if a party ran on addressing this issue they would dominate politics.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'm aware of all this and even mentioned that the way "the economy" is doing and how it's measured support the idea that it's on loving fire. I keep hearing that and seeing charts like you posted. I know. I'm sure the circles that powerful politicians and esteemed reporters hang in a full of people who are doing well, and love that their employees are coming back to the office so they have something to do at work again.
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VitalSigns posted:Ah ah ah but neither of them ever specifically wrote a manifesto saying "yes I am lying about this war because I want to steal oil and drink the blood of Iraq's children" or words to that effect so according to stated-intentions logic, we cannot know for sure what they really thought in their hearts and attempting to infer from their actions that they had intentions they didn't mention is conspiracy theory, we can't be judging the war based on conspiracy theories now can we quote:
Hey when's the next feedback thread coming, are there plans for one. Because there's no place to ask questions and discuss why arbitrary probations keep getting handed down with bizarre reasons like this. A mod didn't follow the conversation and didn't understand the argument being made, but assumed it must be some kind of "slam" and started hitting buttons on a rather boring anodyne post? What? I ignored it for a while but it keeps happening and it's impossible to predict which mod is going to misconstrue something and slam it hours later. PMs just get brushed off so I've stopped doing that. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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What is the over/under on how many days until the NYT publishes an Op-Ed about Will Smith proving that the creeping threat to free speech has moved off of college campuses and social media to the real world?
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VitalSigns posted:Hey when's the next feedback thread coming, are there plans for one. I'll tell you this much: Its not this thread. PM Koos, but threads are not your personal place to complain in.
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CommieGIR posted:I'll tell you this much: Its not this thread. PM Koos, but threads are not your personal place to complain in. Yeah I agree there should be some kind of community thread for everyone to discuss forum issues in, when are we gonna get that?
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We already have the first string of deleted tweets from major politicians praising Will Smith.  Here's the unedited clip of Will Smith getting up on stage to hit Chris Rock on live TV after he made a joke about G.I. Jane if anyone hasn't seen it. https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1508270716063469576 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah I agree there should be some kind of community thread for everyone to discuss forum issues in, when are we gonna get that? Every little injustice against you is not grounds for a feedback thread, and the US CE thread is not your stage to demand such. I've told Koos of your concerns. Now knock it off. This is not a US Current Event.
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CommieGIR posted:Every little injustice against you is not grounds for a feedback thread, and the US CE thread is not your stage to demand such. I've told Koos of your concerns. Now knock it off. This is not a US Current Event. This response is exactly why I posted it here, the only reason I know I'm not the only one asking and their it's not just me whining about "a little injustice" is because I've seen others ask here, for the benefit of other people who may also be asking and getting privately brushed off with lovely responses like this. This response is also why I stopped bothering with PMs (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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VitalSigns posted:This response is exactly why I posted it here, the only reason I know I'm not the only one asking and their it's not just me whining about "a little injustice" is because I've seen others ask here, for the benefit of other people who may also be asking and getting privately brushed off with lovely responses like this. Do you need to speak to the manager? Here's a deep peek on Manchin's coal investments https://twitter.com/ella_nilsen/status/1508441439696474118 Pretty obvious this person will never allow coal to be properly regulated. On another note, a reminder that America's defense budget is astronomically larger than any other nation. https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1508441555601965068
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