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What about that scene in one of Abercrombie's books where the lady fingers a viking's rear end and then the cops bust in?
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Mar 25, 2022 15:15
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Though, having read Wizard's First Rule as a teenager, I do feel the constant refrain of "Richard kicked a little girl's jaw off and is lauded as a hero for it in the narrative." IS removing a LITTLE of the context around what happened. So, all right, let's just ignore that nothing happens in a piece of fiction unless the writer wants it to. God knows a lot of writers sure do that. Said girl has been horrendously abused, not in the traditional sense, but having been spoiled rotten and exposed to poo poo and nonsense that no child should know about, let alone have power over. The kick happens after she basically says "I'm gonna find your love interest, have others rape and torture her until she's a broken insane wreck, then have her executed and have her head stuck on a spike for everyone to see.", while getting too close to Richard, who if you want to be KIND in your character analysis, has a bad temper and has been subjected to abuse to make it worse (this is right in the middle of the extensive BDSM womanforce torture), and he snaps and lashes out against the child who has no sense of self-preservation and, again, has gotten too close to him to make her taunt. If said girl had been an adult, it would have been a classic case of 'gently caress around, find out.' It wasn't like he went "This girl is mocking me." over just having her blow a raspberry at him and did it. Of course, if this was in the hands of a writer who didn't end up so far up his own rear end he could eat his meals twice, Richard would have realized that it was still wrong and made it part of character development to try and be better/make up for it. But as has been very well documented, Goodkind wasn't interested in that.
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Mar 25, 2022 23:39
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Actually no the context changes nothing, it still makes him a psychopath to brutalize a child making even if they’re making a horrible threat
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Mar 26, 2022 00:06
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That's a very strange scene to write imo
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Mar 26, 2022 00:10
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Cornwind Evil posted:Though, having read Wizard's First Rule as a teenager, I do feel the constant refrain of "Richard kicked a little girl's jaw off and is lauded as a hero for it in the narrative." IS removing a LITTLE of the context around what happened. The would be a very good scene to write if Richard was the villain, and you were trying to establish how messed up he is as a villain. As he is the hero, it is pretty uncomfortable and weird.
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Mar 26, 2022 00:19
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No Dignity posted:That's a very strange scene to write imo The author, contorting his plot into a scene where the protagonist blamelessly severs a child’s tongue, “no you see, the kid really really deserved it”
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Mar 26, 2022 00:28
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sweet geek swag posted:The would be a very good scene to write if Richard was the villain, and you were trying to establish how messed up he is as a villain. As he is the hero, it is pretty uncomfortable and weird. quote:Terry Goodkind: There's actually very little to read today because more and more books center around characters who are either unremarkable, pathetic or reprehensible. I don't like authors who choose to tell stories about these kinds of people. I like stories about individuals who can show the nobility of mankind.
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Mar 26, 2022 00:28
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No Pants posted:smut is good actually No argument, but it's better put in dedicated smut vehicles rather than generic fantasy. That way you can get your smut on without being disappointed, or read fantasy without being surprised by a description of exactly how the protagonist's vagina feels with a root vegetable in it. Quasi-related, pro-click if anyone hasn't already: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/if-women-wrote-men-the-way-men-write-women
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Mar 26, 2022 03:00
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Finding out Brandon "I've read at least 6 of your books but who the gently caress are you again?" Sanderson was continuing the wheel of time after old matey bored himself to death was just perfect. I can only imagine the editors waving their hands around going " oh poo poo he's dead, where are we possibly going to find another author with such paper thin characters, with such forgettable plot, with such a complete disrespect for the readers time?" Then at the door there's a crashing noise as Brandon finally beats Simon R. Green into submission, shits his entire back catalogue onto the desk and says "I was loving BORN for this"
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Mar 27, 2022 05:32
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Attitude Indicator posted:I read bad fantasy books for bad fantasy sex! It’s all I have! My dude, there is a world of kindleporn waiting for you. Don't worry, we won't take it.
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Mar 27, 2022 14:19
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carrionman posted:Finding out Brandon "I've read at least 6 of your books but who the gently caress are you again?" Sanderson was continuing the wheel of time after old matey bored himself to death was just perfect.  That's a... take. I'm not super into WoT, so I've got no dog in the fight, aside from knowing Jordan ended up bloviating a bunch to make more books and take care of his sick wife. I can't hate the man for that, or muster a spicy take on the contents due to it. I just kind of don't want to read them. Actually- there could be a market for an abridged WoT series that cuts the fat. It could be a pretty decent set.
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Mar 27, 2022 14:30
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DicktheCat posted:Actually- there could be a market for an abridged WoT series that cuts the fat. It could be a pretty decent set. Cutting the fat from WoT would leave you with the shortest book ever written.
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Mar 27, 2022 15:19
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DicktheCat posted:Actually- there could be a market for an abridged WoT series that cuts the fat. It could be a pretty decent set. Ain't that just the Amazon series (I'm halfway through wot and actually enjoying it bc I'm a goon so I'm not watching it. Don't want my mental image spoiled. Like a goon)
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Mar 27, 2022 15:23
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sweet geek swag posted:The would be a very good scene to write if Richard was the villain, and you were trying to establish how messed up he is as a villain. As he is the hero, it is pretty uncomfortable and weird. Oh, don't worry, goodkind also made sure to do a scene like that for the book's villain Said villain needed to make a soul adore him or some poo poo, so he took a like seven year old little boy away from his parents and put him in a special garden in his castle, and buried the kid in the ground up to his neck, so the kid couldn't move. Then, to keep the kid alive, he would mash blueberry pie up and feed it to the kid through a feeding tube This is done a few times to get the kid used to it, and then, when the kid adored the villain, the villain said he was gonna feed the kid, and poured molten steel down the tube, so the kid dies in a ludicrously evil fashion The villain then turns the kid's soul into a dragon or something so he can ride it Goodkind was really good at writing horrifying scenes that have stuck in my memory for 20+ years, but not for the reasons he intended
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Mar 27, 2022 15:38
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Demon. Chicken.
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Mar 27, 2022 15:57
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rotinaj posted:
Wasn't the gotcha at the end of one of the books the virgin Confessor, who was Richard's love interest, let his half brother bang her FOR MAGICAL SAVE-THE-WORLD REASONS but SURPRISE it wasn't the half brother it was Richard which set off the next book because he felt she was way into banging his half brother. Goodkind was definitely the kind of guy who had a lock on the inside of his bedroom door that needed a key he had on a chain around his neck to open.
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Mar 27, 2022 16:34
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NC Wyeth Death Cult posted:Wasn't the gotcha at the end of one of the books the virgin Confessor, who was Richard's love interest, let his half brother bang her FOR MAGICAL SAVE-THE-WORLD REASONS but SURPRISE it wasn't the half brother it was Richard which set off the next book because he felt she was way into banging his half brother. that sounds like the fourth book, where goodkind lovingly detailed putting a bunch of rats in a cauldron, chaining that to a lady's stomach, and having them eat their way out as he heated the cauldron I remember nothing else from that book other than the rat torture i should not have read these books at eleven years old
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Mar 27, 2022 17:14
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rotinaj posted:that sounds like the fourth book, where goodkind lovingly detailed putting a bunch of rats in a cauldron, chaining that to a lady's stomach, and having them eat their way out as he heated the cauldron that seems like an extremely roundabout way to torture someone
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Mar 27, 2022 17:22
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precision posted:that seems like an extremely roundabout way to torture someone It's artisan torture. The process is as important as the result. 
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Mar 27, 2022 17:42
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he is certainly putting the anal in artisanal
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Mar 27, 2022 17:44
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Atopian posted:While it has been done well very occasionally, fantasy literature as a whole would be better if no-one put sex scenes in their books beyond a fade to black. Zelazny was so great about this. His sex scenes (only 1-2 I can remember) were (paraphrased) "she closed the door, and they did what you'd expect. The next morning..."
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Mar 27, 2022 18:00
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thoughts and prayers posted:Zelazny was so great Very true
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Mar 28, 2022 03:01
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Atopian posted:No argument, but it's better put in dedicated smut vehicles rather than generic fantasy. i'm not sure what you mean by generic fantasy, but i feel that we must agree to disagree.
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Mar 28, 2022 11:31
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thoughts and prayers posted:Zelazny was so great about this. His sex scenes (only 1-2 I can remember) were (paraphrased) "she closed the door, and they did what you'd expect. The next morning..." I read Lord of Light and found it to be one of the most awesomely creative sci fi books I've read. What else of his is good?
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Mar 28, 2022 11:35
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Caesar Saladin posted:I read Lord of Light and found it to be one of the most awesomely creative sci fi books I've read. What else of his is good? There's a good comp called Doors Of His Face, Lamps Of His Mouth which is named after the novelette of the same title. Has about 15 stories in it.
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Mar 28, 2022 11:56
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That fellow seems as though he is neither good nor kind!
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Mar 28, 2022 12:32
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Brandon Sanderson presents: the Marvel Cinematic Universe, fantasy novel edition
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Mar 28, 2022 12:45
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I bet his stuff is garbage but it's still impressive he can write a book in a single plane trip. I couldn't do that even if I shat out some turd on the page.
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Mar 28, 2022 12:50
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You need to have really fine cursive to write a book upon a turd
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Mar 28, 2022 12:59
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Groovelord Neato posted:I bet his stuff is garbage but it's still impressive he can write a book in a single plane trip. I couldn't do that even if I shat out some turd on the page. He's not a terrible writer. He's good at plotting stories and creating interesting worlds but he is generally weak on character stuff.
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Mar 28, 2022 14:32
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DicktheCat posted:
there would be just about enough material in the 14 books for one decent book by genre standards
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Mar 28, 2022 15:39
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I’ve never read them but I’m convinced WoT was (and to some extent remains) popular because it was just about the only game in town during a decade where D&D nerds were looking for new generic fantasy novels
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Mar 28, 2022 16:08
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poisonpill posted:I’ve never read them but I’m convinced WoT was (and to some extent remains) popular because it was just about the only game in town during a decade where D&D nerds were looking for new generic fantasy novels I wanna say that's straight up what happened with Shannara.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:17
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I tried to read a Shannara book but I started with the third one and like one chapter in the main cast themselves started being like 'wow this is exactly the same as the first book!' so I stopped reading
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Mar 28, 2022 16:19
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Killingyouguy! posted:I tried to read a Shannara book but I started with the third one and like one chapter in the main cast themselves started being like 'wow this is exactly the same as the first book!' so I stopped reading All the Shannara books are the same story every time. This is not an exaggeration.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:34
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Spazzle posted:All the Shannara books are the same story every time. This is not an exaggeration. Lmao https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannara posted:Each land is named after the compass point it faces: the Northland, the Southland, the Eastland, and the Westland, and is the primary home of different peoples.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:41
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Spazzle posted:All the Shannara books are the same story every time. This is not an exaggeration. Aren't there like 40 of them at this point 
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Mar 28, 2022 16:42
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one of the main characters in Shannara is named Allanon and every time his name came up I thought "well, I'm glad he's getting help" I remember absolutely nothing else from the book or books that I read
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Mar 28, 2022 16:45
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The first one is such a blatantly transparent rip off of the lord of the rings, just utterly shameless.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:49
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Are they still just searching for the sword over and over or whatever? Even mother loving dragon ball had the good sense to be like 'we had a few good searches now finding the things is trivially easy and covered with a time skip'
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