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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:DHS/HHS plan to "review" the use of Title 42 at the border on March 30th and potentially end it sometime in April. it is interesting that nobody's bothered saying "we can't do anything about the border because Sinema" there's not even the pretense that the Biden administration wants to close down the child concentration camps. they're running at full inhumanity down there, and receiving... what, exactly, in exchange? there are times and places where you could at least imagine from a cold realpolitik angle that the price of accomplishing something was chucking a bunch of bodies in the meat grinder, but all this suffering is being inflicted in exchange for Republicans -still- calling Biden soft on immigration. there's absolutely no payoff. cruelty for the sake of cruelty alone.
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Sharkie posted:Calling your partner a scumsucking shitbag and watching you calmly say this to their face lol. I also stated that I probably would have done the same. Also your words are quite a bit more inflammatory than his were. It doesn't change that violence probably wasn't the right answer.
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Riptor posted:Violence is okay if your feelings are really really hurt I mean, "violence," yeah, technically, but he hit him once, with an open hand. It's a lovely reaction and shouldn't be celebrated, but I'm willing to forgive Smith for it if Rock is (they've known each other a long time, since before this dead comedy website even existed). Smith certainly wouldn't have had any grounds to complain if he had been charged, but I'm okay with him "getting away" with it. The fact that this minor (if extremely public) interpersonal tiff between longtime friends/rivals, with no actual physical damage done or continuing danger, is being resolved without cops and lawyers is fine. The fact that poor and unremarkable people don't get similar treatment is a separate issue that charging Will Smith with battery wouldn't really do anything to fix.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:28
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It's a minor form of punching down. Alopecia is not exactly the same as male pattern baldness, and can be quite challenging to a person. Agree with this. Loudly heckling Rock and hollering over his presentation would have had about the same effect and was definitely the more mature way to handle it. Does Smith get pretty bent out of shape about the jokes people make about his kid I wonder? Because a lot of those seem way more out of bounds than last night. Full disclosure: I am a totally bald white male and not in any way rich or famous.
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They’re both wealthy individuals so defending either of them makes one a class traitor. It is for the best to not care about rich people quarrels unless they impact classes lower than them. Or, if one needs that in meme form: let them fight.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:30
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Bishyaler posted:Yeah, there's certainly no intersection between racism, misogyny, and medical conditions happening here. My mother in law had the same auto immune disease with accompanying hairloss and it destroyed her self esteem to the point where she didn't even want to be seen shopping for groceries. But its sure something to see punching down at diseases being handwaved away by the same people who spent 4 years telling me how disgusting it was for Trump to mock disabilities. Nah, you don't get to use the motte and bailey here. You said Chris rock's joke was a part of how you build support for genocide. You don't get to just pretend that didn't happen. No one is here defending the joke. You keep wanting that to be true so your soft defense of violence can seem reasonable. But it's not true. virtualboyCOLOR posted:They’re both wealthy individuals so defending either of them makes one a class traitor. It is for the best to not care about rich people quarrels unless they impact classes lower than them. This is true but I can't help but think that this is normalizing violence even more than it already is in our twisted culture. Smith is a household name and has been famous for decades, largely from cultivating a fairly wholesome persona. Now he slaps the hell out of someone on live TV and gets legions of people, including people on this forum, defending his use of violence. Not saying it's a huge cultural turning point or anything, but it's definitely a step in the wrong direction. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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I just think it's really funny that some of the most comfortable people in the world are so miserable.
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Sir Lemming posted:I've been seeing this take and it's pretty weak. Your immediate reaction to something, especially in a very public/professional setting, doesn't always indicate how you really feel. And I dislike the implication that she intentionally goaded him, which is a pretty big stretch. It also could have been he was doing a polite laugh until he saw how upset his wife was about it and decided to do something about that. Which is a fair reaction. Also the take "it's ok to make fun of someone's medical condition if they have money" is pretty good. Good take.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I just think it's really funny that some of the most comfortable people in the world are so miserable. d&d.txt (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Nah, you don't get to use the motte and bailey here. You said Chris rock's joke was a part of how you build support for genocide. You don't get to just pretend that didn't happen. I'm not walking it back. Normalizing belittling people for medical conditions builds the foundation for institutional violence. Its no different than racist jokes.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Nah, you don't get to use the motte and bailey here What?
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Gumball Gumption posted:I just think it's really funny that some of the most comfortable people in the world are so miserable. This is a solid take and I should marinate on this more. Smith is an obviously self loathing person and that in itself is pretty funny.
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If a commoner went up and hit a comedian at a public event (especially a public event that was basically a comedy roast put on by their employer), they would have to deal with the police, DA, his employer, and a civil suit if he had any money. He would also not have the police look the other way and all of his coworkers pressuring the comedian to not do anything about it. He could do it, but those would be the costs of his choice. It is not a good thing that someone can do that on camera because of a joke with complete confidence that there will be no consequences because of their status. There's lots of things the law is murky or unclear on, but it is pretty clear that you can't assault someone because your feelings were hurt. Normalizing violence in public over hurt feelings is a bad thing and doesn't make anyone safer. It just makes everyone feel like they are obligated to commit violence in those instances instead. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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Bishyaler posted:I'm not walking it back. Normalizing belittling people for medical conditions builds the foundation for institutional violence. Its no different than racist jokes. So making fun of Tim Pool for being bald is the same as blasting out an N word? Lol wow
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The awards are not a roast. Mocking medical conditions is lovely. Your fat friends see how you talk about Donald Trump.
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Not to get too  but we should also keep in mind that the Oscars are a failing enterprise that is always on the hunt for viral moments, and as men in their 50s Rock and Smith's careers are in constant danger of decline and they can always use some juice themselves (especially Rock). The entire thing could've been a publicity stunt.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:38
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bobua posted:The comparison of this to some guy on the street taking a poo poo on your wife isn't apt. This is closer to going to a celebrity roast and not being able to take a joke. Its not a perfect comparison, but its much closer than the hypothetical rando making fun of your spouse. Like if you feel yourself comfortable enough or in a setting appropriate to make fun of someone's wife, then you should also probably also be preapred to take the lumps if it doesn't go over well, which seems to be the case from Chris Rock not pressing charges.
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bobua posted:Will Smith laughed at the joke himself before Jada gave him the look. Then went on to give a speech about god telling him to protect his family. jada was shooting both men eye-daggers, though, as rock told the joke. one interp of will's laughing I read was that it was an "imma gonna gently caress you up for that" chuckle but who knows. I'm happy to let Black Twitter handle this the way they see fit.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:So making fun of Tim Pool for being bald is the same as blasting out an N word? Does Tim Pool have an auto immune disease? There are a million good reasons to poo poo on Tim Pool and his appearance is by far the flimsiest. Just confirming that this is 100% okay, in your opinion?  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:This is true but I can't help but think that this is normalizing violence even more than it already is in our twisted culture. Smith is a household name and has been famous for decades, largely from cultivating a fairly wholesome persona. Now he slaps the hell out of someone on live TV and gets legions of people, including people on this forum, defending his use of violence. Not saying it's a huge cultural turning point or anything, but it's definitely a step in the wrong direction. America (and arguably this sub forum) embodies the saying “scratch a liberal and a conservative bleeds” and I don’t believe this does anything to move that bar. If one’s take of this isn’t either to roll eyes or laugh at the wealthy people getting into a literal slap fight then all that ends up happening is defending a wealthy person (or going into some racist rant as the worst kind of take). Harold Fjord posted:The awards are not a roast. Mocking medical conditions is lovely. Your fat friends see how you talk about Donald Trump. Here’s another take: “They’re both garbage.”
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Bishyaler posted:Does Tim Pool have an auto immune disease? There are a million good reasons to poo poo on Tim Pool and his appearance is by far the flimsiest. Flipadelphia has said several times that nobody is actually defending the joke. He's just saying that hitting someone because of a joke (and getting away with no consequences because of your status) is normalizing violence in response to jokes, promoting a two-tiered justice system, and is not something that should be celebrated. Seems pretty likely that if a random person came up on stage and hit Trump for doing that, then they would suffer consequences.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:it is pretty clear that you can't assault someone because your feelings were hurt It is pretty clear that you can.
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Mellow Seas posted:I mean, "violence," yeah, technically, but he hit him once, with an open hand. It's a lovely reaction and shouldn't be celebrated, but I'm willing to forgive Smith for it if Rock is I'm also willing to forgive Will Smith.
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Mellow Seas posted:Not to get too Can't speak for Chris Rock's career but everyone was expecting Will Smith to win best actor and he was the favorite going into it by a pretty significant margin. Certainly not impossible that it was a stunt but for now I'm inclined to believe it wasn't. Harold Fjord posted:The awards are not a roast. Mocking medical conditions is lovely. Your fat friends see how you talk about Donald Trump. Yea unless I know the person being mocked is cool with the joke that crap always comes off as uncomfortable as hell to me.
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Mellow Seas posted:Not to get too The main problem with the publicity stunt hypothesis is that Smith dropping f-bombs made the whole thing unfit for American television. I fully believe it was a moment of uncontrolled anger.
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Saying "the joke is bad, but not as bad as you are making it out to be". Is defending the joke Especially when the joke is as bad as it's being made out to be.
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haveblue posted:The main problem with the publicity stunt hypothesis is that Smith dropping f-bombs made the whole thing unfit for American television. I fully believe it was a moment of uncontrolled anger. Yeah, it wasn't even broadcast fully on American TV. They cut off shortly after it started. The full video is only available because other countries let it roll for the entire time.
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Harold Fjord posted:Saying "the joke is bad, but not as bad as you are making it out to be". Is defending the joke Exactly. Not to mention that there's truly an interesting number of dudes on here eager to advertise how they'd proudly accept the public ridicule of their spouse with pacifism and good cheer.
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Sir Lemming posted:I've been seeing this take and it's pretty weak. Your immediate reaction to something, especially in a very public/professional setting, doesn't always indicate how you really feel. And I dislike the implication that she intentionally goaded him, which is a pretty big stretch. Nah, I just don't buy that. Having an initial reaction like anger, then calming down and finding a situation funny later is very common, but never in a million years would my initial reaction be laughter then assault. That's just not how that works. Did he find it funny, then was angry seeing his wife was hurt? Absolutely possible\probable. You just can't see all that go down, knowing the absolute shitshow their marriage is, and not see something's up though.
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Imagine looking deep into the eyes of the person you love and saying "Don't worry, the whole world can roast the hell out of you and your medical conditions and I'll never lift a finger." But yes I too am troubled by this disturbing new development in our culture, fighting people when they insult your spouse. Now to open some history books and reflect on how far we've fallen. virtualboyCOLOR posted:If one’s take of this isn’t either to roll eyes or laugh at the wealthy people getting into a literal slap fight then all that ends up happening is defending a wealthy person (or going into some racist rant as the worst kind of take). It's not like you don't play videogames or whatever. Not poo poo you can do about it so have fun and enjoy the show imo.
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Sharkie posted:Imagine looking deep into the eyes of the person you love and saying "Don't worry, the whole world can roast the hell out of you and your medical conditions and I'll never lift a finger." Sharkie posted:Calling your partner a scumsucking shitbag and watching you calmly say this to their face lol. What a very specific fantasy you have!
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what in the wide world of sports is happening in this country
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Bishyaler posted:Exactly. Not to mention that there's truly an interesting number of dudes on here eager to advertise how they'd proudly accept the public ridicule of their spouse with pacifism and good cheer. Ok so you're openly lying now. mdemone posted:what in the wide world of sports is happening in this country The event itself isn't that big of a deal, but it's causing a whole lot of people to show their rear end wrt toxic masculinity being ok actually. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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mdemone posted:what in the wide world of sports is happening in this country People have to debate to death an event that will have absolutely zero affect on anything in the world.
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Bishyaler posted:Exactly. Not to mention that there's truly an interesting number of dudes on here eager to advertise how they'd proudly accept the public ridicule of their spouse with pacifism and good cheer. there's a truly interesting degree of paternalism and infantilization to your implications that women need 'dudes' to defend their honor, not to mention the faintest soupçon of toxic masculinity with your assertion that acting like a grown up human and not punching someone is somehow unreasonable
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Biden has proposed a new income tax for wealthy americans for next year's budget. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/03/28/biden-budget-billionaires-tax-police/7186071001/ quote:Among the highlights: Unfortunately, I can't find more details than that. The other two sources that I can find (that are reputable) are paywalled. While I don't agree with the increase spending in both police and military, I posted this because I wanted to talk about the wealth tax. 20% seems like a really low income tax to hit multi-millionaires with. I mean, it'll be great if it is able to curb some of the loopholing most businesses do to pay nothing, or even get rebates, but I pay around 30-35% in taxes. Hopefully there is more to this that I don't know about or understand, but this feels like doing the minimum to appear like he's doing something to mollify the masses, but not really affecting the rich. "Normal" people will still be paying more in taxes than the rich will.
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Bishyaler posted:Exactly. Not to mention that there's truly an interesting number of dudes on here eager to advertise how they'd proudly accept the public ridicule of their spouse with pacifism and good cheer. You keep misconstruing what people like Flip and Bobua are saying. They aren't saying they would react "proudly" with "good cheer." They are saying that they would not walk up on stage and assault someone for a joke and that it is not a good thing that people are normalizing it. If you feel like you have to assault someone over a joke or you will get divorced, then that is basically just toxic_masculinity.txt. Making everyone feel like they have to use violence in those situations is a bad thing for society. Normalizing violence in social situations or over hurt feelings is going to impact the vulnerable more than anyone else and is not a good thing for society.
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Calibanibal posted:What a very specific fantasy you have! It's not that specific mdemone posted:what in the wide world of sports is happening in this country Content. and I love it.
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Harold Fjord posted:Saying "the joke is bad, but not as bad as you are making it out to be". Is defending the joke 'Defending' has some layers here. The same people that think Smith was right to slap him would probably argue that shooting him would have been a bit too far. Are they now defending the joke?
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