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BuckyDoneGun posted:What does a US$20k MSRP look like once you've got it home with plates and sales taxes paid? MG3 looks good, will also probably get more features in the base level Haval than premium trim of other models.
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Twerk from Home posted:Is that Yaris built by Mazda like the US Yaris? That's my pick. No the Yaris is all Toyota. It's good too but you really want the hybrid and that's a bit more (although from next week you will get a rebate that will nearly make up the difference because it's in a low carbon band) You can still get the Mazda 2 but it's kinda dated now
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Twerk from Home posted:So you're saying that the wise buy in $20k cars is an Alfa Romeo? https://jalopnik.com/at-22-900-is-this-2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-a-deal-1848697151 That's a $40k car - you need to buy a second as a donor.
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Also hilarious that the dealer raised the price after the If it was a good deal, someone would have already bought it.
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Read about a new car? If it was a good deal someone else would have already bought it.
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dissss posted:You could get a base Mazda2 for just under $28k NZD. Not sure how I missed them. Depending on spec, Rio, Swift, Ignis (I like how they look OK?) or Jazz would be my picks*, but I'm interested to see how the MG's fare. I know someone who bought one recently and they're cheap with good warranty and service included and seem to be pretty well put together from the brief look I had at it. They may not be the pieces of poo poo we all assume them to probably be? *Well no they wouldn't be because I can buy far more car lightly used from Japan I'm no new car sucker.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:base Haval Jolion Wikipedia posted:The Haval Jolion is based on the Lemon platform  Twerk from Home posted:So you're saying that the wise buy in $20k cars is an Alfa Romeo? https://jalopnik.com/at-22-900-is-this-2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-ti-a-deal-1848697151
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What a time to be alive e: $695 prep lmao, for 5 mins of removing plastic and ASMR noises
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Russian Bear posted:On a Kia Forte A Kia Forte that apparently possesses no features, even.
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Where did the $31k number cone from? The Kia USA website says the GT is $23,490 which does seem amazingly cheap (that'd be a $30k USD car in NZ anyway)
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I was on my Kia dealer's site the other day checking EV6's, and they all had a $5k markup regardless of trim level. E-mailed the guy I got the Stinger from and he said they're pretty firm on it.
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dissss posted:Where did the $31k number cone from? The Kia USA website says the GT is $23,490 which does seem amazingly cheap (that'd be a $30k USD car in NZ anyway) This is in Canada
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davebo posted:I was on my Kia dealer's site the other day checking EV6's, and they all had a $5k markup regardless of trim level. E-mailed the guy I got the Stinger from and he said they're pretty firm on it. Could be worse, could be this EV6 markup! 
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smooth jazz posted:This is in Canada That's still cheaper than a high spec Cerato in NZ then, even with the market. The Cerato (and Hyundai i30) are definitely not bargain priced here.
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smooth jazz posted:
Is it at least a manual?
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It's neither, as you can clearly see on the sticker. 
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Twerk from Home posted:Do cars even have CD players anymore?
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They put my CD player in the glove box and I didn't notice it for months.
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Inner Light posted:What a time to be alive New idea: $695 for pre-delivery prep - OR - $1395 and you can do the pre-delivery prep yourself while someone films you doing it
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https://pressroom.toyota.com/the-wait-is-over-toyota-to-debut-its-newest-gr-sports-car/ I hate announcements of announcements, but GR Corolla [probably] to be officially shown off this Thursday. I've been thinking about replacing the FoRS with an F31 but I'm reluctant about used BMW ownership, and I can't really find a good answer as to how "worth it" the M Sport pack is -- but I think I'm just going to go this route unless there's something really dumb/bad about it.
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Sab669 posted:https://pressroom.toyota.com/the-wait-is-over-toyota-to-debut-its-newest-gr-sports-car/ Someone leaked all of Toyota's timelines and releases earlier this month and they had the GR Corolla shipping date in October, so definitely get a deposit down with a non lovely dealer.
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I did hear about the October release leak, yea. But it's nice to hear Toyota finally open their mouths about the car.
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Is there any protection for lovely dealer markup on preorders?
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Twerk from Home posted:Do cars even have CD players anymore? Some Subarus do at least. My Impreza has one. My Kia does not.
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Nohearum posted:Is there any protection for lovely dealer markup on preorders? Not unless the manufacturer actually enforces it and even then it isn't likely to end well for an individual consumer.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Not unless the manufacturer actually enforces it and even then it isn't likely to end well for an individual consumer. the manufacturer also can't really enforce, it's a MSRP or RRP or whatever. they can threaten vehicle allocation kinda but really, there aren't teeth to it at all.
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Nohearum posted:Is there any protection for lovely dealer markup on preorders? There are in Canada, from what I've read online recently.
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Sab669 posted:There are in Canada, from what I've read online recently. Most dealers I've spoken to from time to time have always told me the most they'll charge is MSRP and that they aren't allowed to mark up the vehicles. Some of the usual suspects have the typical 400 dollar admin fee that was around even before the pandemic induced supply chain issues. What do we know specifically about the GR Corolla's specs? Isn't a 3-Cyl turbo a really overworked and high strung engine that doesn't lend itself well to longevity or long term sustainable power?
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Kraftwerk posted:Isn't a 3-Cyl turbo a really overworked and high strung engine that doesn't lend itself well to longevity or long term sustainable power? you can't really tell this from any of the factors you've posted here. it could be wildly overbuilt.
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Kraftwerk posted:Most dealers I've spoken to from time to time have always told me the most they'll charge is MSRP and that they aren't allowed to mark up the vehicles. You'd think so but this is Toyota we're talking about. Either way though I don't think the GR Yaris has been around long enough to get long-term reliability results.
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Kraftwerk posted:What do we know specifically about the GR Corolla's specs? Isn't a 3-Cyl turbo a really overworked and high strung engine that doesn't lend itself well to longevity or long term sustainable power? Apex yaris gr grenaded the engine with a money shift but after that they seems to consider it acceptable compared to their bmw workhorses.
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Kraftwerk posted:What do we know specifically about the GR Corolla's specs? Isn't a 3-Cyl turbo a really overworked and high strung engine that doesn't lend itself well to longevity or long term sustainable power? Ford's shipping a bunch of them, including in the new Fiesta ST. I know that Jag has one, GM offers your choice of two separate 3-cyl turbos in a couple of vehicles. The Ford 3-cyls are the only ones that I'm familiar with, and like the other Ecoboost engines they aren't really suited to high revving and make most of their torque pretty low. They're also iron blocks and built pretty stout, I haven't heard of them having the kind of head gasket problems that the Focus RS had, but they're also not turned up as hot. They also have a lot of oil. My 1L 3-cyl takes 5 quarts of oil, and most of these turbo engines have the cooling capacity of something twice the displacement or more. If you cool it enough and build it strong, forced induction is magic.
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Kraftwerk posted:Most dealers I've spoken to from time to time have always told me the most they'll charge is MSRP and that they aren't allowed to mark up the vehicles. "Have faith in Toyoda, you must"
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Toyota have made some self-grenading engines over the years, the 7M and whichever one was in the Mk3 MR2 which inhaled its own pre-cats come to mind. I'm not sure of any others. As a company they otherwise have a history of ridiculously well built engines which will run for all eternity despite abuse and lack of servicing. I imagine people are beating the poo poo out of these little 3 cylinder engines in the Yaris so if they're fragile we'll soon know.
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I just hate odd numbered engines. It can’t be THAT much more efficient than a 4-cyl, can it? Why not a beefy 2-banger like ducatis? That could be cool! Anything but 3.
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LibCrusher posted:I just hate odd numbered engines. It can’t be THAT much more efficient than a 4-cyl, can it? Having motorcycle service intervals and costs extrapolated out to a car is a no go for 99% of the population.
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