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IMHO, the best argument for HSR in the US is regional rail corridors, eg pgh-clt, or Austin-Houston-Dallas, where the non-flight time is a significant component of the trip.
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…And it would be money better spent on situations where aircraft CANT compete. Local mass transit, light rail, etc. No one wants to spend 10 hours on a high speed train when you can spend 3 on an airplane.
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PCjr sidecar posted:IMHO, the best argument for HSR in the US is regional rail corridors, eg pgh-clt, or Austin-Houston-Dallas, where the non-flight time is a significant component of the trip. Yeah trying to build a high speed rail corridor from New York to LA would be a ridiculous expenditure for very low traffic. On the other hand the Texas Shinkansen was a great idea.
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Mar 28, 2022 15:56
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Yeah, I visit one of my friends in VA just outside of DC all the time and man would it be nice to just jump on a train for 90 minutes instead of driving for 4 hours. It would seriously turn a few times a year visits to every few weeks. The other aspect of rail that bears considering is the immense environmental impact of air travel. That’s something you aren’t going to fix by dumping money into air infrastructure.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:18
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I expect that the only way you get a real HS rail network in the US is that if some bulky but profitable cargo needs to be moved rapidly from mid-America to the coasts. Saying “use more aircraft” doesn’t work if its millions of tons of material.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:21
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FunOne posted:Need more capacity? Add more planes. Need to go somewhere else? Just point the plane there instead. Cargo? No problem. People? No problem.
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FunOne posted:I understand the appeal of a high speed train system, I've used them in China and Europe, and they're great. But if you came to me as a tax payer and laid out the enormous effort it would be to get them installed in the US vs. improving our air infrastructure then air wins every time in my mind. planes are noisy, and there's very limited opportunity to decarbonize their emissions. more air cargo is definitely not a useful answer. i ain't lookin to take a train from Boston to Chicago but I certainly wouldn't mind taking a faster one to like... Philadelphia. or random parts of northern new jersey. Acela is decent center-to-center but a lot of places' public transit infrastructure after that point is bad
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Mar 28, 2022 17:01
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PCjr sidecar posted:IMHO, the best argument for HSR in the US is regional rail corridors, eg pgh-clt, or Austin-Houston-Dallas, where the non-flight time is a significant component of the trip. Our combined boarding and deplaning time on our DFW to SAT flight last night was longer than our actual flight time. That was partially due to the pilot flying extra fast because they had to pee real bad but the point stands. There are a ton of flights from DFW to cities on the TX I-35 corridor that could be handled much more easily by HSR combined with light rail hubs in the major cities.
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Mar 28, 2022 17:09
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Reno - Sacramento - SF - LA - Vegas would be a cool high speed rail project too.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:Reno - Sacramento - SF - LA - Vegas would be a cool high speed rail project too. Boy do I have very scope-limited good news for you!
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MrYenko posted:Boy do I have very scope-limited good news for you! I’ll take stuff that won’t happen for $1000.
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Murgos posted:I expect that the only way you get a real HS rail network in the US is that if some bulky but profitable cargo needs to be moved rapidly from mid-America to the coasts. High speed freight doesn't work because cargo is a lot heavier than people, so the power ratio is different and you need gentler grades and cornering.
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Being 42, I’ve given up hope of seeing any significant infrastructure changes in my lifetime due to how long it actually takes to plan and execute them. It took 35 years to complete the interstate highway system and if I’m still alive at 77, I’m probably not going to give a poo poo about HSR.
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NightGyr posted:High speed freight doesn't work because cargo is a lot heavier than people, so the power ratio is different and you need gentler grades and cornering. Gotta move the mole children from their warrens under the great planes to the coasts so the elites can get the highest quality dose of adrenochrome fresh from the source...
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Mar 28, 2022 18:33
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hobbesmaster posted:I’ll take stuff that won’t happen for $1000. Brightline in south Florida not only happened, but it’s working, and being expanded. I’m as surprised as anyone else, but it’s truly a superb way to get day drunk all over south Florida.
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MrYenko posted:…And it would be money better spent on situations where aircraft CANT compete. Local mass transit, light rail, etc. No one wants to spend 10 hours on a high speed train when you can spend 3 on an airplane. Ten hour train trip works wonderfully, but it needs to be on an overnight sleeper cabin. I've done such trips regularly for over two decades and I choose car over it for only longer vacations and if I want to use car at the destination, or if I want to take varied routes and see new scenery. I've only used plane if I've travelled with someone else who wants to use it.
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bull3964 posted:Being 42, I’ve given up hope of seeing any significant infrastructure changes in my lifetime due to how long it actually takes to plan and execute them. Possible if there is the political will. China built out its HSR system in 14 years.
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The impact assessment studies alone would take the better part of 14 years by the time all the "stakeholders" and NIMBYS voiced their concerns. And the route would probably end up looking like a corkscrew to go through all the districts of the federal politicians that wanted it... and avoid those that don't. I don't think China has that problem. e:  https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberals-launch-negotiations-to-buy-f-35-fighter-jets-1.5837647 God I loathe the Canadian political parties and the circus major project procurement always becomes. The defense manufacturers of the world must cringe whenever Canada puts out an RFP slidebite fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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MrYenko posted:…And it would be money better spent on situations where aircraft CANT compete. Local mass transit, light rail, etc. No one wants to spend 10 hours on a high speed train when you can spend 3 on an airplane. That depends. Train travel is far more stress-free, no need to turn up hours in advance to check in and security stuff, no weird liquid restrictions, less noise, more able to move about and no luggage drama..and the view is often far more interesting. Train stations also tend to be more centrally located, so transport to your final destination is often far easier. On a 3 hour flight, how much time is spend at/getting to the airport? You save maybe a couple of hours. Overnight trains are also cool. (Except for the Edinburgh->London..that was easily the worst train journey I've ever had).
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slidebite posted:https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberals-launch-negotiations-to-buy-f-35-fighter-jets-1.5837647 No way they can make money thru cancellation penalties endlessly whenever the government changes! Don’t even have to deliver a thing!
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Good point. Literally money for nothing.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:That depends. Train travel is far more stress-free, no need to turn up hours in advance to check in and security stuff, ... I dunno, I've dealt with security stuff and having to show up well ahead of time for screening and whatnot in China. Trains being on time has nothing to do with traffic to and from the station. I don't think these benefits hold long term. It takes one nut job to ruin it for the rest of us.
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terrorist attacks on the Thalys didn't institute TSA style bullshit now you could argue that Euros are maybe less stupid than Americans but they do similar nonsense for airplanes
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Wasn't it an Ali G bit where he asked a US congressman if he was concerned about a hijacked train being used to blow up the white house?
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slidebite posted:
So maybe this poo poo doesn't matter, but apparently the decision to go F-35 was made at least two years ago, because that's when the "communication" memos were circulating. Which means the competition was a waste of time from that point. Actually, I can think of one positive thing here: for once the contract for F-35s explicitly forbids Canada from trying to fluff rotten boroughs with subcontract work.
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 https://www.saab.com/markets/canada/gripen-for-canada
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ImplicitAssembler posted:That depends. Train travel is far more stress-free, no need to turn up hours in advance to check in and security stuff, no weird liquid restrictions, less noise, more able to move about and no luggage drama..and the view is often far more interesting. Train stations also tend to be more centrally located, so transport to your final destination is often far easier. In 2010 I had to take a greyhound to get to basic training and they made us go through security and the lady got upset that we had razors. You think I'm gonna hijack a loving bus on my way to basic training?
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Ok, maybe the US is just weird.
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Greyhound in Canada started searching passengers after a guy had a psychotic break on a bus in the prairies, stabbed a dude and mutilated / ate his body, eventually hopping around the bus with the severed head. Dude got arrested but greyhound was a bit jumpy after that.
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FrozenVent posted:Greyhound in Canada started searching passengers after a guy had a psychotic break on a bus in the prairies, stabbed a dude and mutilated / ate his body, eventually hopping around the bus with the severed head. Jesus christ
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Kesper North posted:Jesus christ It's fine. Greyhound permanently shut down all their Canadadian operations last September
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KodiakRS posted:There are a ton of flights from DFW to cities on the TX I-35 corridor that could be handled much more easily by HSR combined with light rail hubs in the major cities. What % of passengers are not connecting through dfw? How is the metroplex even possible to make light rail work given the size of that sprawl? Or houston for that matter? It’s a total mass transit failure and can’t see them magically getting light rail right.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Ok, maybe the US is just weird. are-we-the-baddies.jpg
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Oh my. That is just dead sexy.
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Kesper North posted:Jesus christ Yeah, it's probably worse than you think. Guy is out, changed his name and zero criminal record due to mental state.
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KitConstantine posted:So I saw this and did some digging to confirm and it seems that it's true
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^^^ I saw that in the original thread, no idea if it's true but it would rule so hard FunOne posted:I dunno, I've dealt with security stuff and having to show up well ahead of time for screening and whatnot in China. Trains being on time has nothing to do with traffic to and from the station. Meanwhile I can get on an EU flight within 15 minutes from entering my airport, including security checks.
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We got a spares order from Boeing for DC-10 parts. Who's still flying those things at this point? Seeing the Douglas Aircraft Company letterhead on the parts list was a pretty big surprise
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rscott posted:We got a spares order from Boeing for DC-10 parts. Who's still flying those things at this point?  MY BABIES LIVE
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rscott posted:We got a spares order from Boeing for DC-10 parts. Who's still flying those things at this point? FedEx
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