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Nodosaur posted:fanboys are gonna be so mad when mutants just, like, show up not to out myself but i would be asking, "where were the x-men during the snap"
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Mutants always just show up. That’s their thing.
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Mameluke posted:not to out myself but i would be asking, "where were the x-men during the snap" They are sworn never to interfere in the affairs of homo sapiens, until now..
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Mar 29, 2022 02:44
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Release a Special Edition of Captain America that has Mr. Sinister, Wolverine, Mystique, Destiny, and baby Magneto CGI'd in
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In the less exciting celebrity violence news of the week, Ezra Miller got arrested for disorderly conduct and harassment yesterday https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiPoliceDepartment/posts/305234978381866 v e: Really? Works for me, though I dunno what kinda weird regional blocking thing Facebook might have. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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Mar 29, 2022 13:25
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BrianWilly posted:In the less exciting celebrity violence news of the week, Ezra Miller got arrested for disorderly conduct and harassment yesterday Dead link https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/03/29/actor-known-superhero-role-arrested-hawaii-island/
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Mar 29, 2022 13:39
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Sounds to me like somebody needs to stop going to bars.
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Mar 29, 2022 13:53
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I can't believe Joss Whedon made Ezra Miller attack someone to damage Zack Snyder. Will Smith isn't the only guy who assaulted someone before winning an Oscar on Sunday. What are the odds?
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Mar 29, 2022 14:01
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Purportedly, the person singing karaoke was singing a song by Better than Ezra, which sent them into a rage. They started shouting "You think you're better than me?!" witnesses say.
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Mar 29, 2022 14:02
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The Academy must address this horrific act of violence immediately.
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Mar 29, 2022 14:03
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I'm just glad actors are becoming normal people again. This is the most relatable Ezra has ever been.
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Mameluke posted:not to out myself but i would be asking, "where were the x-men during the snap" The X-Men weren’t formed yet. Next question.
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Mar 29, 2022 14:57
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Ezra Miller seems like a real shithead.
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Mameluke posted:not to out myself but i would be asking, "where were the x-men during the snap" Well you see, some of the people who came back from the snap came back.. different
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Mar 29, 2022 15:15
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Joe Fisto posted:Well you see, some of the people who came back from the snap came back.. different That's honestly one of the better takes they can pull from, but then you lose the "Magneto/Professor X being old friends turned enemies" element. I'm not really sure how they thread that needle.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:That's honestly one of the better takes they can pull from, but then you lose the "Magneto/Professor X being old friends turned enemies" element. There where mutants before, but they where more rare. The snap activates numerous X-genes around the world.
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glitchwraith posted:There where mutants before, but they where more rare. The snap activates numerous X-genes around the world. We did it guys. Kevin, pay us.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they go with. Like a cross between The Collective post-Decimation and Inhumanity
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Joe Fisto posted:Well you see, some of the people who came back from the snap came back.. different glitchwraith posted:There where mutants before, but they where more rare. The snap activates numerous X-genes around the world. The only problem there is that it destroys the whole premise that the X-Men have always been about, that they're a clumsy metaphor for race/LGBTQ relations. If you make them just come back different from the snap (or just warp the Fox ones in*) it suggests that there were no persecuted groups in the MCU pre-Snap and Thanos (or I guess Banner technically since he did the return snap) just made them. Like people just came back gay or another race. And I'm no expert on these matters but that's maybe... hosed up? *unfortunately since there's all these rumors about Feige meeting Jackman that seem to have some merit to them, I feel like that might be the case. So (following the analogy) non-white and/or non-heteronormative people are literally from another universe. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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With the Multiverses in full effect, it's entirely plausible that they could simply say there was another universe where mutants were a thing and all that stuff existed and is established. The question, then, is how do you incorporate an entirely different universe into interacting with the main one, as opposed to living in their own universe and maybe only occasionally mingling with the main one. Maybe you have that universe be totally hosed up by one or something and mutants seek refuge into the main universe. Or maybe you do simply keep it separate with the occasional mingling and you don't need everything under the same roof. Since Deadpool is already moving ahead, I feel like something along these lines will be what they'll end up going with.
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I wouldn't tie it directly to the Snap but rather the destruction of the Infinity Stones. We know there was a wave of affect across the universe. We know the Stones have given people powers, including Wanda and Pietro. Or "activated" them. So when the Stones were destroyed their energy shot across everything triggered change. Activating the "X gene" or whatever. And that never even has to be fully explained. Just have some smart people wondering why so many more powered people started appearing after the Blip and the X Gene gets discovered and "mutant" becomes a thing and one theory is the Infinity Stones thing. Granted that fits into my pet theory that the Stones are still energy out there and they've found hosts and we're headed to an Infinity Watch reconstituting them. But i dunno. I think it works in that way the MCU is good at of making things that absolutely weren't planned out ahead of time kind of look like they were and fit very well. TwoPair posted:The only problem there is that it destroys the whole premise that the X-Men have always been about, that they're a clumsy metaphor for race/LGBTQ relations. If you make them just come back different from the snap (or just warp the Fox ones in*) it suggests that there were no persecuted groups in the MCU pre-Snap and Thanos (or I guess Banner technically since he did the return snap) just made them. Like people just came back gay or another race. And I'm no expert on these matters but that's maybe... hosed up? STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1508904612438237184?s=20&t=oeii1IGX4_mMxoM8UWXZYw
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TwoPair posted:The only problem there is that it destroys the whole premise that the X-Men have always been about, that they're a clumsy metaphor for race/LGBTQ relations. If you make them just come back different from the snap (or just warp the Fox ones in*) it suggests that there were no persecuted groups in the MCU pre-Snap and Thanos (or I guess Banner technically since he did the return snap) just made them. Like people just came back gay or another race. And I'm no expert on these matters but that's maybe... hosed up? Except in the comics they haven't always been about, at least in large numbers. The original comics and most adaptations usually have the mutant population spike exponentially in recent times, which is what causes the general public to finally take notice and begin hating and fearing them. In fact, they where called "Children of the Atom" because the initial idea was nuclear radiation is what caused the spike, though they gradually moved away from that in favor of just general evolution. While there are plenty of older mutants from various eras, they tend to be the rare exception to the rule. It was only Morrison and Hickman who really tried to depict mutants as a distinct culture. I do agree making them an apparent recent phenomenon does hurt the minority metaphor, but their are already many problems with that metaphor when you examine it more closely. For example, that they are literally more dangerous to the general public than any real life minority, or how despite the metaphor the teams tend to be largely missing most of the minorities it supposedly represents. I also don't expect them to port the Fox movies over, at least not permanently. They might fit in a few cameos as multiversal visitors ala No Way Home (and maybe Xavier in Multiverse of Madness), but given the ages of those actors, I assume they will want fresh casting for any new movies. Deadpool is the one exception I could foresee, and that's only because his continuity with the Fox X-Men is already so tenuous (and often played for jokes) that him suddenly being in the MCU wouldn't actually change that much.
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History question I've wondered about: Are the X-Men are barely veiled allegory for race/orientation specifically because you couldn't tell those stories at that time? Because like, you can now. Maybe it'd be okay if the X-Men weren't wrongfully persecuted for genetic differences, and the MCU just put some focus on how actual people are actually persecuted? I was just thinking about this because of that New Mutants movie, where they lay on the allegory pretty thick, which feels weird since every one of the kids in that has an origin story that killed at least one and generally a shitload of people, which makes the hamfist even hammier to me.
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glitchwraith posted:There where mutants before, but they where more rare. The snap activates numerous X-genes around the world. This is how I always pitched it. There were mutants throughout history, but only a handful. But post snap, suddenly there were more and more. This let's you have magneto and Xavier, wolverine and apocalypse, but then have stories involving Kitty, Jubilee, the Rasputins, Glob Herman and so on.
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Holy poo poo I do not want this to be buried. They are making a loving Blue Beetle movie where Ted is likely the lead or at least the sacrificial mentor to Jamie? Hell to the gently caress yes
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bunnyofdoom posted:Holy poo poo I do not want this to be buried. They are making a loving Blue Beetle movie where Ted is likely the lead or at least the sacrificial mentor to Jamie? It's been a known quantity for a while now, and is a Jaime movie (starring Xolo Maridueña from Cobra Kai).
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theironjef posted:It's been a known quantity for a while now, and is a Jaime movie (starring Xolo Maridueña from Cobra Kai). Stop I can only get so excited
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Too many kids these days are getting exposed to strange ideas at such a vulnerable early age and start saying they themselves are mutants. That's why I am signing the Don't Say Mutant bill to protect our children. We need to protect the integrity and sanctity of adolescents sports. This bill will bar so-called mutants from participating and ensure an even and fair playing field. Children seeking to participate in junior league sports will need to undergo a thorough examination before eligibility. Seems pretty ripe for your classic and modern day anti-LGBT bullshit. I think the bigger question is, is Disney brave enough to lean into it? I fear that answer is no.
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iceyman posted:Seems pretty ripe for your classic and modern day anti-LGBT bullshit. I think the bigger question is, is Disney brave enough to lean into it? I fear that answer is no. Disney was already making sure any LGBTQ+ content could be edited out before the current wave of revolting anti-gay cultural revanchism, so I'd put the chance of that happening now at exactly 0%.
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Last time Sharon Stone played the bad guy in a DC movie it didn't go over too well. At least we can look forward to the Blue Beetle basketball scene I'm kidding. I'm sure Sharon Stone will be good as she's a great actor. I just wanted to make a Catwoman sucked joke
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theironjef posted:History question I've wondered about : Are the X-Men are barely veiled allegory for race/orientation specifically because you couldn't tell those stories at that time? Because like, you can now. Maybe it'd be okay if the X-Men weren't wrongfully persecuted for genetic differences, and the MCU just put some focus on how actual people are actually persecuted? There wasn't a whole lot of that in the original run from the 60s. The Brotherhood were hated because they were monologuing villains taking over random countries and robbing banks, Xavier kept the X-Men's identities hidden because super heroes had alter egos and thought the mutations were the result of background radiation. The allegory kicks in pretty much when Claremont takes over possibly as a result of fan reactions to his new diverse team. It's a delivery method for tolerance to a potentially narrowminded readership.
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The early stuff presented mutant persecution more like a McCarthyist red-scare than what was going on in the civil rights movement. The metaphor is there but you have to dig pretty deep. It’s only later authors that made it more explicit. The fact that it was very implicit and fuzzy probably worked in its favor in letting people read whatever they wanted into it.
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the early mutant concept was much more "my god I'm sick of writing origins. we're gonna save five pages and instead of a guy getting electrocuted by radioactive magnets, he's going to be born with powers" than anything.
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The McCarthyist red scare very much corresponded to, and with, the anti-civil rights attitudes of the time. Both fed into the other, both synergized with each other; racists hid their racism behind bureaucracy, while bureaucrats exploited bigotry for clout. It's not so dramatically different from today, where nationalistic fundamentalism has long since been intrinsically parcel with general xenophobia.
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I always thought the earliest versions were more "being a teenager and going through changes is weird and gross but what if those changes made you a superhero instead but people still don't like you because they don't get you because adults don't understand, man" kind of thing. Or in other words, imagine if the weird teenager grossness were actually super powers and now go have super power fights! Then Claremont did X-Men and said "imagine if being mutants meant more than just being an awkward teen, but also could be a stand in for being a persecuted minority" and that is when the metaphor really took off.
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Teenagers really do fit the mutant metaphor better than anything: "I'm different from the world I'm coming into, and I feel like everyone resents me, the most persecuted person to ever exist, for it." But I've also heard a good argument to look at Mutants under a Jewish lens—an ethnic group that has a fundamental belief that they legitimately do have a special place in the universe (a direct covenant with God), but that power is reckoned with the omnipresent risk of total annihilation and the world turning on you. You also get people reading your abilities (whether its laser beams in Marvel or "being a lawyer" in the real world) as existentially threatening while it's perfectly okay for someone not of your culture to have those same abilities, and you can see that it could have emerged out of the thinking of two Jewish creators in the mid-20th Century. I think the big issue with pairing Mutants to any existing minority group, though, is that the X-gene is very much a biological binary. Like the one-drop rule: you're either a Mutant or you aren't, and there really aren't many complicating circumstances there. At most, you're a Mutant who can "pass" for human, but Mutantness is purely biological and has no societal element or ambiguity to it.
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I’ve also heard good arguments that some X-Men make good metaphors for disability. The broad applicability of the mutant metaphor is a large part of the comics success. It just falls apart if you attempt to make it a direct one to one comparison. And when written especially badly, those comparisons become insulting, though given MCU’s track record so far, they’ll likely avoid those pitfalls. I think any adaptation should definitely explore themes of hate and bigotry, but the best way to apply those explorations to real world minority groups is to use mutants that are also members of those minority groups, such as Magneto, Storm, Iceman, etc.
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In the scenario where mutants exist, but the Snap unlocked way, way more of them, and mutants are an analogy for queer folks, then the analogy for The Snap would be the creation of Tumblr
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I just don't see the need for some kind of inciting event. Just say that mutants have been in hiding and only now are starting to emerge more readily. Keep the storytelling baggage out of it.
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