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readingatwork posted:This is a problem with a LOT of villains motivated by real problems. In a sane world Poison Ivy would be the hero of her own comic where she fights polluting villains Captain Planet style, but since she was put into the role of villain the writers need to have her do SOMETHING to justify the Batman stopping her so we get plotlines of her blowing up an orphanage because the kids are littering or something. The Poison Ivy fanbase has been asking for DC to let her go full antihero and get her own comic for years now but DC doesn't want to do it despite her colleagues and friends in Harley and Catwoman both having made the jump from villain to antihero and both getting their own books. It's a shame honestly.
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Mar 26, 2022 19:10
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A.o.D. posted:A liberal choosing the environment over stability and prosperity? That's crazy talk. He freaks out about it, but his soulmate convinces him they need to burn everything down and start afresh.
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My problem with making villains eco-motivated is that there's so many in fiction and then you look around at the real world and the closest you see is bullshit like people being supported by oil and gas to fight nuclear energy. Like if you wanted to make eco-terrorist villains in fiction, a more realistic take would be that they totally misunderstand the science about what they're talking about and attack easy targets while ignoring key issues.
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Mar 26, 2022 20:28
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Bust Rodd posted:I struggle with eco terrorist villains in media because without fail there is always this weird line break, where Poison Ivy or whoever is targeting corporations and deforestation and polluting the ocean, but then it gets to the part where the audience has to want them to lose, so the characters make a hard right into murdering innocent people completely divorced from denaturalization, usually in a way that doesn’t even make sense with their character. Yeah the real problem is that when Ivy (or other ecoterrotist villains) start attacking, they just attack some grunts on the bottom of the corporate ladder kinda like that R&M episode, not CEOs or whoever actually gave the order to level a forest or whatever. Vandar posted:The Poison Ivy fanbase has been asking for DC to let her go full antihero and get her own comic for years now but DC doesn't want to do it despite her colleagues and friends in Harley and Catwoman both having made the jump from villain to antihero and both getting their own books. It's a shame honestly. I think that the real problem is that "controls plants" is too cool of an ability for writers to let Ivy do a face turn
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TwoPair posted:Yeah the real problem is that when Ivy (or other ecoterrotist villains) start attacking, they just attack some grunts on the bottom of the corporate ladder kinda like that R&M episode, not CEOs or whoever actually gave the order to level a forest or whatever.  Ivy is the coolest. 
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Mar 26, 2022 23:40
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Poison Ivy is getting her own book in June, as a matter of fact.
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I watched Akira last night with a friend who loves anime but had never seen it before and he, a film major btw, turned to me about an hour in and said “it’s disgusting how good this is.” and I have no choice but to agree. One of the most influential pieces of art made in the last century, IMO.
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comicbook.com on March 18, 2022 posted:Pamela Isley has been a lot of things in her life. A living god, a super-villain, an activist, a scientist, and dead. In a new body that she didn't ask for and with a renewed sense of purpose, Ivy leaves Gotham and sets out to complete her greatest work-a gift to the world that will heal the damage dealt to it...by ending humanity. https://comicbook.com/dc/news/dc-poison-ivy-solo-comic-series-g-willow-wilson-marcio-takara/
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Mar 28, 2022 14:43
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Bust Rodd posted:I watched Akira last night with a friend who loves anime but had never seen it before and he, a film major btw, turned to me about an hour in and said “it’s disgusting how good this is.” and I have no choice but to agree. One of the most influential pieces of art made in the last century, IMO. Oh it's an absolutely beautiful piece of cinema. Even if a clip from it did traumatize me as a child.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:05
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i could have watched akira but my NB-egg self chose project ako to be the first anime I ever watched (followed by sailor moon)
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Mar 28, 2022 16:46
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Akira is beautiful but I have no desire to rewatch it ever. Maybe I'm uncultured swine but I just didn't really care about the plot. But still, goddamn is it animated well
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Akira is great, but it’s always much longer than I remember it being.
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yeah. as someone who grew up in the 90s/early 00s. i grew up where it was a mix of both. mostly the end of the old style and beginnings of the new. so i am id probably prefer space genocide with chaps brothers humor. Space Cadet Omoly posted:Okay but lets be real: "I'm polluting on purpose for no reason!" that part is true, turns out Captain Planet was right and this is a real and serious problem that happens all the time and it's only getting worse and stupider and that's how we end up with poo poo like NFTs. yeah this. like the captain planet villians are loving Dostoyevsky characters compared to the loving ghouls that actually exist.
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The 7th Guest posted:i could have watched akira but my NB-egg self chose project ako to be the first anime I ever watched (followed by sailor moon) My first exposure was Saturday morning anime on Sci-fi, and there was some messed up stuff there for a child to get exposed to. But it was so well animated and I really miss the style. I get it was a tremendous amount of work and every frame was basically drawn with the blood, sweat, and tears of the animators, but still.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9A6T1Qp2Wc
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Bust Rodd posted:I watched Akira last night with a friend who loves anime but had never seen it before and he, a film major btw, turned to me about an hour in and said “it’s disgusting how good this is.” and I have no choice but to agree. One of the most influential pieces of art made in the last century, IMO. Which makes how much better the manga it's based on even more amazing The 7th Guest posted:i could have watched akira but my NB-egg self chose project ako to be the first anime I ever watched (followed by sailor moon) To be fair that's also a pretty good choice TwoPair posted:Akira is beautiful but I have no desire to rewatch it ever. Maybe I'm uncultured swine but I just didn't really care about the plot. Akira suffers a bit in that department due to 1) having to adapt a relatively long manga into a relatively short film meant a lot of characters and plots had to be abridged or cut entirely, and 2) the manga hadn't finished yet when they made the film(film finished production in 1987, manga didn't finish till 1990)
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drrockso20 posted:Akira suffers a bit in that department due to 1) having to adapt a relatively long manga into a relatively short film meant a lot of characters and plots had to be abridged or cut entirely, and 2) the manga hadn't finished yet when they made the film(film finished production in 1987, manga didn't finish till 1990) 100% this. The manga is phenomenal, and if you like anything about the film plot or characters, you owe it to yourself to read it. Like, I cannot stress how much better the manga is than the movie, amazing production aside.
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Yeah I'm kind of confused why Otomo decided to make the film before finishing the manga. I don't know what the story was there, he was maybe offered the budget at that point and it needed to go into production?
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Ccs posted:Yeah I'm kind of confused why Otomo decided to make the film before finishing the manga. I don't know what the story was there, he was maybe offered the budget at that point and it needed to go into production? Animation exists as a vehicle to sell more copies of the manga, manga exists to sell more copies of the novel. Each step up the chain is a huge step up in production investment to market the maximum profit margin that is ink on paper.
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The thing I've always found confusing is why they never revisited it to do a complete adaptation.
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Same reason nobody has ever remade Princess Bride: attempting to do so would be flying too close to the sun
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muscles like this! posted:The thing I've always found confusing is why they never revisited it to do a complete adaptation. I imagine the big reason is that to do a proper faithful adaptation would be a very large episode order and it would need a huge budget too since it looking cheap would cause unsavory comparisons to the movie
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Bust Rodd posted:I watched Akira last night with a friend who loves anime but had never seen it before and he, a film major btw, turned to me about an hour in and said “it’s disgusting how good this is.” and I have no choice but to agree. One of the most influential pieces of art made in the last century, IMO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej9q8Oc4dd0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPD8DL-O1E8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEa_F0xk_5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf0WjeE6eyM drrockso20 posted:Which makes how much better the manga it's based on even more amazing The 7th Guest posted:i could have watched akira but my NB-egg self chose project ako to be the first anime I ever watched (followed by sailor moon) .Z. posted:My first exposure was Saturday morning anime on Sci-fi, and there was some messed up stuff there for a child to get exposed to. But it was so well animated and I really miss the style. I get it was a tremendous amount of work and every frame was basically drawn with the blood, sweat, and tears of the animators, but still.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGKOzLG1g8s
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muscles like this! posted:The thing I've always found confusing is why they never revisited it to do a complete adaptation. Akira is such a sacred cow that no one wants to touch it. Attempting to do a remake or a re-adaptation of Akira would be crazy, and it didn't have the proper time and budget it needed, it would most certainly fall on it's face and be endlessly mocked and criticized for years to come. By the way it was announced in 2019 that Akira is getting a new anime project. Godspeed, you crazy bastards.
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Vandar posted:Akira is such a sacred cow that no one wants to touch it. Attempting to do a remake or a re-adaptation of Akira would be crazy, and it didn't have the proper time and budget it needed, it would most certainly fall on it's face and be endlessly mocked and criticized for years to come. Yeah… Are they willing to put in the time to replicate the original style properly? Or are we are going to get a modernized style à la Hunter x Hunter or even worse Berserk. .Z. fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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Speaking of classic anime mashup promo videos. If you watched any anime in the 80s or 90s in Australia you already know what this video is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjhUA1A-A9w
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Doing a digital reimagining if Akira would, like, almost defeat the purpose. Akira is so important because if the way in influenced hand drawn media and animation. There is no need to push that envelope for digital artists, because they grew up in a post Akira world and have the freedom to do whatever they want. I’ve never read the manga and I really want to, but I low key want it to be the http://www.bartkira.com/ version first. One day I intend to spoil myself and find a hardback volume of Akira. I haven’t stopped thinking about that movie for 2 days.
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Akira but animated like Arcane or Into the Spiderverse would at least be a mix up, but I still wouldn't like it. Akira done with 3DCG would be sinful
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Akira but it's re imagined as a lovely old video game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV8VRCWzM_E I personally don't think anything would be gained by re making Akira in any format. I know that no movie is perfect, but Akira is so close that it is near certain that any remake would be worse, at least in some way.
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I think of things like “in as much anything could be ‘perfect’, then X is perfect”. Animation I would consider “perfect” is stuff Akira and Cowboy Bebop and Batman: The Animated Series. Things that perhaps COULD be improved in some way, but function as they are in such a way that no change anyone could present sounds like a good idea. Perfection is subjective, right, on one level, but these are things that have stood not only the test of time but have also been seen by audiences of millions. Is Gennedy Tartovsky’s PRIMAL perfect? I think so, but it’s too soon to tell.
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Is the new Akira thing a movie or a series? A movie would be redundant but a show would be a cool way for people to see the 3/4ths of the manga that never made it into the original movie. E: Looks like it’s a show. Sweet! Should be fun as long as it doesn’t get the Berserk treatment.
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Tonight is Adult Swim's April Fools event at midnight est. I hope they show some good poo poo. Adult Swim Jr. was fun...for like an hour. Hopefully they go the route of showing pilots or future season episodes.
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Oh poo poo it's Pibby! Edit: Well...Pibby-themed. Looks like Pibby will show up in the start of Adult Swim episodes. Another edit: Morty just paused and got super hosed up. Probably will happen in other stuff. https://twitter.com/adultswim/status/1509747440915820556 Waffleopolis fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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pibby just killed eric andre
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Final compilation of Pibby's journey through AS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEk5_TYDNYw
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The 7th Guest posted:i could have watched akira but my NB-egg self chose project ako to be the first anime I ever watched (followed by sailor moon) To be fair PA is just slightly edited porno so it’s really a more honest introduction to the format than Akira.
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I remember seeing the trailer for Pibby last year and was like "Wow, that looks neat.", glad they're finally getting around to whatever they're doing with it. Warner Bros' media strategy right now seems to be "Get meta as gently caress and shove as many of our properties as we can into everything so people will watch it because Stuff They Know is in it." Pibby seems like at least it's using that very cynical corporate idea to make an interesting show, so, hope it's good!
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You know what really grinds my gears? Cartoon Network's indifference to their adult fans. Nickelodeon knows that the kids who watched them 20 years are now adults with disposable income, and so they've wisely decided to pander to us. Invader ZIM, Rocko's Modern Life, and Hey Arnold! all got new movies. Rugrats and The Ren & Stimpy Show are getting new seasons, and I don't even know how many Avatar: The Last Airbender-related projects are in the works. All the classic Nicktoons are available for streaming on Paramount+, and the most popular ones have new merchandise available at a variety of specialty stores. I recently purchased a Reptar Bar from FYE, and you know what? It turned my tongue green, just like in the show! But Cartoon Network doesn't care about consoomers like us. They recently rejected a pitch for a Billy and Mandy movie on the grounds that kids don't know who the characters are, and the leaked Kids Next Door reboot appears to have met the same fate. Well, Cartoon Network, who the hell says kids have to be your audience? You started Adult Swim for a reason, and the people watching Adult Swim now are the same people who watched Samurai Jack in 2003. You clearly know that, because five years ago, you aired a one-season Samurai Jack revival there. And so far as I can tell, it was a hit. So why haven't you done anything for us since? For Christ's sake, you haven't even put all your shows on HBO Max! Where's Johnny Bravo? Where's Cow and Chicken? I'm glad you're making Learning with Pibby. That show looks great. But you know what I didn't see in the trailer? Any Cartoon Network shows that premiered before 2010! Yeah, I saw Looney Tunes, The Flintstones, and Scooby-Doo, but those predate Cartoon Network by decades! They don't count! And you're doing the same thing with that new fighting game you're making. I see Garnet from Steven Universe on the roster, but no Dee-Dee or Dexter. If Nickelodeon's fighting game can have 90's characters, why can't yours? Look, CN. My life sucks. I had no friends growing up and I spent my entire childhood inside, watching your shows. Now I'm an adult, and I'm worried I might have to go outside and face everything that I've been avoiding. I would rather die than do that. Please help me.
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I hear where your coming from, but I think the problem is possibly that they attempted rebrands of Dexter’s Laboratory and Powerpuff Girls and those were, like, objectively terrible cartoons that basically took the beloved franchises and turned them into dogshit. If they brought back Johnny Bravo is 2022, I’m confident they would make every possible wrong decision with the character and he would just be a dumb sexist rear end in a top hat in a way that was never funny instead of being a dumb sexist rear end in a top hat in a way that was mostly funny.
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I’m wondering how much of the issue there is that CN at the time was so creator-driven. All those shows were groundbreaking when run by their creators; in the Simpsons thread I was remembering how Van Partible and Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McCracken were once rookie directors who had to go on Space Ghost Coast to Coast to promote their cool pilots. But their shows all got taken away from them and retooled and they all sucked. I don’t think Nick shows were ever quite so creator-focused, aside from Ren & Stimpy, which is probably why they said never again.
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