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yeah i guess i'm the stupid one here because my opinions make your tummy hurt. too bad for you that my descendants will blot out the sun
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Something that's REALLY not aged well in The Queens Gambit is all those 9 year olds being given tranquilisers. I thought that was outlawed in like the 50s?
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Oh it’s not a bit you just don’t really understand what your on about. Sure you can post through it tho
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:
Could you explain what you mean by political? Because it seems like you're using to mean "explicitly endorses one political party". Failing that , could you explain what you mean by satire and give an example of a non-political satire. Because I cannot wrap my head around "there is a lot of satire which isn't political"
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Mar 30, 2022 22:33
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:you can satirize society without satirizing politics, there is a lot of satire which isn't political when people are saying "politics" regarding a work of fiction they don't mean that it's literally about the government, they're talking about the stance and positions of both the creator and what's inherent to the work. (the theoretical pure opinionless and stanceless work of fiction would then be 'apolitical') i think you're doubling down on a fundamental misunderstanding of what people are saying
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Mar 30, 2022 22:34
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People said Swifts thing about eating babies was political, but really he just found the concept of eating babies really funny
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Mar 30, 2022 22:34
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The problem with treating Idiocracy as apolitical is that it doesn't matter if Judge had an agenda or not. I happen to think in general it was just intended to be a silly movie. But people keep saying "Idiocracy is real," and they keep saying it semi-seriously. And that means people have had to look at what a serious interpretation of Idiocracy would actually be. Yes, it's dumb, but we had to be dumb in order to respond to the original stupidity with something more sophisticated than "Nuh uh."
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Mar 30, 2022 22:52
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In general it's not the product that has aged poorly just the people who like talking about it. Also, in general when people go "oh you need to take politics out of it" 99% of the time it's because the thing is presenting the idea that a cis hetero white male experience isn't the standard experience.
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Mar 30, 2022 22:59
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have any of you even considered? satire
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Could you explain what you mean by political? Because it seems like you're using to mean "explicitly endorses one political party". I guess you could look at something like Seinfeld or Curb Your Enthusiasm which is typically satire aimed at the manners and social conventions of a society. I would personally still consider that political, but I think you could reasonably say that it's not political in quite the same sense that people are envisioning when they use the term.
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Mar 30, 2022 23:10
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BioEnchanted posted:Something that's REALLY not aged well in The Queens Gambit is all those 9 year olds being given tranquilisers. I thought that was outlawed in like the 50s? When do you think The Queen's Gambit takes place?
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Mar 30, 2022 23:15
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pentyne posted:Also, in general when people go "oh you need to take politics out of it" 99% of the time it's because the thing is presenting the idea that a cis hetero white male experience isn't the standard experience. There are two sexes: Male, and Political. There are two sexualities: Straight, and Political. There are two races: White, and Political. etc
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Mar 30, 2022 23:16
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Toshimo posted:When do you think The Queen's Gambit takes place? Difficult to answer in the era of streaming imo
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Mar 30, 2022 23:36
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Sweevo posted:There are two sexes: Male, and Political. There are two wolves inside of you. They are both political.
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Mar 30, 2022 23:59
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flatluigi posted:when people are saying "politics" regarding a work of fiction they don't mean that it's literally about the government, they're talking about the stance and positions of both the creator and what's inherent to the work. (the theoretical pure opinionless and stanceless work of fiction would then be 'apolitical') To be fair to Mr. Fall Down Terror, Idiocracy doesn't say LIBERALS/CONSERVATIVE ARE ___________. So from that stand point, its not about politics, more about society. Now, to be fair, King of the Hill IS conservative but its writers make Hank amenable to new ideas that he comes across as somewhat reasonable.
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Idiocracy is wrong because people are actually getting a lot smarter from not having lead poison brain damage. Everyone over 40 is basically a moron from their brains rotting from lead being in everything. The dumbest person under 40 is on the same level as the average people from the over 40 generation. To balance things out we have microplastics ensuring everyone dies young and Covid causing brain damage.
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christmas boots posted:Difficult to answer in the era of streaming imo why?
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Mooseontheloose posted:To be fair to Mr. Fall Down Terror, Idiocracy doesn't say LIBERALS/CONSERVATIVE ARE ___________. So from that stand point, its not about politics, more about society. King of the Hill manages to be conservative without being reactionary (from what I've seen--there is so much KOTH it's probably got some ugly episodes) which is a tricky line to toe.
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Neito posted:why? Depends on when you hit play
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:look at what happens when goons read politics into things and you'll realize i am correct This got me to go back and read some old SuperMechaGodzilla posts and now my tummy and my head both hurt
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I deeply dislike Idiocracy because I feel the butt of the joke isn't stupidity, its the lower class and their 'vulgar' culture. It equates the poor with the stupid, and anything that's not part of higher metropolitan culture is guilty by association. The poor can't appreciate art, have no taste and can't take care of themselves. It's the nobleman despairing the existence of the common rabble. To me, every other problematic part that other posters have mentioned is just a representation of different aspects of this line of thought. The eugenics (the lower classes can't control themselves!), the comedy racism (man, can you believe this black guy is so outrageous!), you name it. It's all the "lower" cultures that are different from the white bread mainstream. They are of no value, deserve to be mocked and you should feel bad for liking them. This is how it is now and this is how it will be in the far future because culture doesn't change in essence; it just prospers or devolves. Don't get me wrong, I would think a movie like rear end would be creatively bankrupt. But dammit, the people have the right to see it if they think it's funny! Beavis and Buthead are still cool in my book, though.
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Mar 31, 2022 02:25
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I'm poor and can't appreciate fine art (because I don't have enough money to be able to launder it) Mike Judge can be funny but pobody's nerfect.
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Mar 31, 2022 02:41
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Sobatchja Morda posted:Don't get me wrong, I would think a movie like rear end would be creatively bankrupt. Funny thing is, Andy Warhol made an art film like that.
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Mar 31, 2022 02:51
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mr fall down terror doesn't think idiocracy is political because he agrees with it 100% hth
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Yeah, I fukken warned y'all. Every. loving. Time.
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Mar 31, 2022 03:21
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A world where people are generally honest and forward-thinking and believe in genuine unselfish meritocracy to help solve their systemic problems? gently caress, this is is supposed to be a dystopia?
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the_steve posted:There are two wolves inside of you. They are both political. wrong one is political, the other is Gamer
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I mean, even if it wasn't made to advance a political agenda, the core premise of "the stupid, vulgar masses outbreed the common man and take over" sure as heck has a lot of loaded implications behind it.
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Mar 31, 2022 03:56
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People read way too much into Idiocracy's time travel frame story when the actual plot was a scathing critique of the Bush administration. If anything the worst aged part of the film is it is far too kind to its Bush analogue.
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christmas boots posted:Difficult to answer in the era of streaming imo To be clear I was making a joke. Because a plot point is literally that it gets outlawed in the 1950s triggering the main character's withdrawal symptoms.
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Idiocracy had a really bizarre release - it was postponed for more than a year, released only to only a handful of theaters, had virtually no advertising or promotion other than a Brawndo drink tie-in that seemed more like a shambling zombified corpse of a campaign, and dumped to DVD after four months. I remember torrenting it in the days after it premiered, not because I didn’t care to pay, but because I’d have to build the airfare to LA into the price. It seemed very obviously like “Fox fulfilling their contractual obligations to Mike Judge so he wouldn’t torpedo KOTH.” That rarity, combined with the film’s uncanny ability to seemingly cast the viewer as the protagonist of the story regardless of the viewer’s viewpoint, made it catnip for the Terminally Online of 2006.
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BioEnchanted posted:To be clear I was making a joke. Because a plot point is literally that it gets outlawed in the 1950s triggering the main character's withdrawal symptoms. So was I. I was deliberately misreading “when it takes place” as “when is it being watched” I confused one poster and barely a nibble at that. not my finest work
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Phy posted:There's a science fiction short story I read years before Idiocracy, "The Marching Morons", that starts from the same eugenicist premise, only that there's also a tiny cadre of incredibly overworked smart people who secretly run the world. And the guy from the past is a real estate con man who creates a plan to launch all the dolts of humanity into the sun by making them think they're winning free trips to Venus. At the end the remaining smart people launch past guy into the sun as well, because they're happy to use a Hitler but they have no wish to hang out with him. If I remember correctly, that's where 'I'd buy that for a dollar ' comes from.
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Idiocracy is a movie about how all the poor people are idiots and take in the lowest entertainment in life, and how you, the viewer, are much better than that. Then it finishes with the guy getting chased around by a dildo machine
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pentyne posted:Big thing about Mike Judge is he's at worst just a little milquetoast. He's not a raving lunatic in any direction and can kept his politics out of his work for the sake of making a joke. Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i wouldn't read too much into the politics of it. Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:you can satirize society without satirizing politics, there is a lot of satire which isn't political Sobatchja Morda posted:I deeply dislike Idiocracy because I feel the butt of the joke isn't stupidity, its the lower class and their 'vulgar' culture.
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Samovar posted:If I remember correctly, that's where 'I'd buy that for a dollar ' comes from.
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Ziv Zulander posted:Idiocracy is a movie about how all the poor people are idiots and take in the lowest entertainment in life, and how you, the viewer, are much better than that. Then it finishes with the guy getting chased around by a dildo machine It is kind of ironic also because Beavis and butthead launched his career.
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Martman posted:And while we're at it, that quote has aged very poorly! yes there's a Robocop wiki where I learned this why do you ask
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Mooseontheloose posted:It is kind of ironic also because Beavis and butthead launched his career. and remains the best thing he's ever done (although I do like KOTH)
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Mooseontheloose posted:It is kind of ironic also because Beavis and butthead launched his career. Beavis and Butthead invented, and perfected, the reaction video decades before youtube Ironically now it's just about the only place to watch them
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