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Kraftwerk posted:Why are they always making these announcements before they actually happen. Every time Ukraine is supposed to get some sort of decisive heavy weapons aid it always gets walked back as a "escalation" as if decimating the Russian tank corps with Javelins and NLAWs wasn't enough of an escalation? They've already inflicted severe casualties on the Russians as a result of western aid, what difference does it make? At least in this case, it'll be because the Tories got a big polls boost for their assistance to Ukraine after being in a doom spiral of bad news before that. They're going to keep doing as much of this as possible and making as much noise as they can to distract from their failures in every other direction. At least they're doing a good thing very loudly to cover for being poo poo rather than doing something stupid!
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It's wild watching the reversal of the trend of putin having used fun new tools in social manipulation and division to turn huge portions of the far right and far left alike into ideologically convenient authoritarianists or authoritarian apologetics designed around maximum uselessness against russia And because of this all falling apart (among other factors of course) we see things like that Finland is probably a future NATO member
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How do you pronounce Lviv? I've been saying "Liv" in my head but I highly doubt that's right.
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Chalks posted:At least in this case, it'll be because the Tories got a big polls boost for their assistance to Ukraine after being in a doom spiral of bad news before that. They're going to keep doing as much of this as possible and making as much noise as they can to distract from their failures in every other direction. Especially since a lot of Tories are probably sweating right now about their Russia connections - there's been a lot of reporting on some of the shadier financial ties a lot of them have to the Putin regime. One example :https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-tories-russian-money-oligarch/
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Moon Slayer posted:How do you pronounce Lviv? I've been saying "Liv" in my head but I highly doubt that's right. It's pronounced as written, so you smush a "v" into the back of the "L" and then add an "eev" to the end. "L'veev"
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Staluigi posted:It's wild watching the reversal of the trend of putin having used fun new tools in social manipulation and division to turn huge portions of the far right and far left alike into ideologically convenient authoritarianists or authoritarian apologetics designed around maximum uselessness against russia It's worth reemphasizing the post from like a hundred pages back: it's not clear that the european or american targeted propaganda apparatuses have stopped being effective. Other than RT itself, a lot of those influence systems haven't been stopped, and folks are no more savvy against them (Rall's still writing and people are still falling for it on here, for instance). Rather it's that right now there's a full court press targeting other audiences, including china and india, and that's apparently diverting a lot of their less public systems, like the troll farms and comment botnets.
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KitConstantine posted:Seems like it ends up a wash then, depending on the situation. Factors like how long the sustained fighting is and how reliable the autoloader is would probably tilt things one direction or the other. Amazing that one of the original stated goals for invading Ukraine was to prevent Russia from having NATO on its borders...... and now it looks like a possibility that NATO may be on its border anyway.
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Russia has been so incredibly bad at bullying countries into obeying them. Every single country has been doing the exact opposite of what Russia demands. And they keep making more threats and demands.
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Moon Slayer posted:How do you pronounce Lviv? I've been saying "Liv" in my head but I highly doubt that's right. Lemberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0.ogg
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Amazing that one of the original stated goals for invading Ukraine was to prevent Russia from having NATO on its borders...... and now it looks like a possibility that NATO may be on its border anyway. NATO was always already on its borders. There's just gonna be more of it.
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CommieGIR posted:NATO was always already on its borders. There's just gonna be more of it. Fair point 
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mutata posted:It's pronounced as written, so you smush a "v" into the back of the "L" and then add an "eev" to the end. "L'veev" It sounds more like L'viu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0.ogg
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Amazing that one of the original stated goals for invading Ukraine was to prevent Russia from having NATO on its borders...... and now it looks like a possibility that NATO may be on its border anyway. Well, besides the Baltics and Poland if you count Kaliningrad. But the ones they probably *really* didn't want to join, Finland and Sweden, it seems that they are now both abandoning their policy of neutrality, and Putin even managed to make the Swiss take a side on this one. Well done indeed.
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Der Kyhe posted:Well, besides the Baltics and Poland if you count Kaliningrad. But the ones they probably *really* didn't want to join, Finland and Sweden, it seems that they are now both abandoning their policy of neutrality, and Putin even managed to make the Swiss take a side on this one. Well done indeed. It turns out that straddling the fence is a bad idea when one side of it is lava.
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Russia is continuing to talk poo poo about Poland, increasing frequency of talk. https://twitter.com/joeabodnar/status/1509569864243073024?s=20&t=NMd-9Sb_KolukLwYgWPBRA Just interesting to note. Especially since Poland is leading the charge on continuing to strengthen sanctions, including planning to end purchases of Russian coal in the next few months. https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1509566604027338755?s=20&t=g59VDzr1Kx0h0ZUrB7TDkQ Speaking of Russia shaping western propaganda - check out this QAnon-looking poo poo https://twitter.com/joeabodnar/status/1509539894502334465?s=20&t=g59VDzr1Kx0h0ZUrB7TDkQ
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KitConstantine posted:Speaking of Russia shaping western propaganda - check out this QAnon-looking poo poo That reads and looks like someone having a mental breakdown. Only thing really missing is the strings between the images and texts.
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KitConstantine posted:Russia is continuing to talk poo poo about Poland, increasing frequency of talk. Of course Hunter Biden is involved again. 
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Poor Hunter, he just wanted to do blow and rail hookers and he ends up being the 21st century's Dr. Moriarty.
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Watching Russia play with Poland is scary. The only way that Poland wouldn't completely wipe the floor with Russia in a conflict is if nukes come into play.
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D34THROW posted:Of course Hunter Biden is involved again. Again? Like is he next in line after Soros and Hillary?
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:Watching Russia play with Poland is scary. The only way that Poland wouldn't completely wipe the floor with Russia in a conflict is if nukes come into play. Nukes are the murder-suicide option. If Russia nukes Poland, their government will cease to exist. And I suspect the West will be able to handle that with conventional guided munitions
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fatherboxx posted:Red Cross are absolute lying scum What's the basis for your certainty that they're lying?
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KitConstantine posted:Russia is continuing to talk poo poo about Poland, increasing frequency of talk. Ah, interestingly that tracks with a lot of recent "bad twitter" takes that have just sprung up about how historically barbaric the Ukrainians have been to the Poles, and how "blind" to history the Poles must be to support Ukraine.
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So about that large weapon delivery from Germany https://twitter.com/louiswesten/status/1509260171494793220 https://twitter.com/robinalexander_/status/1509573346232524809 It was mostly a politician giving a (false) story to a very supportive paper that turned out to be more fake than news.
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Crow Buddy posted:Poor Hunter, he just wanted to do blow and rail hookers and he ends up being the 21st century's Dr. Moriarty. I mean, if you look at it from the other way he's pretty lucky. All he does is hookers and blow and yet he keeps getting a reputation as a Machiavellian mastermind. No work required yet everyone thinks he's a genius!
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KitConstantine posted:https://twitter.com/joeabodnar/status/1509539894502334465?s=20&t=g59VDzr1Kx0h0ZUrB7TDkQ Pepe Silvia!
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It was suspected, and maybe there was prior evidence I hadn't seen but I thought this was interesting - the Russians are using super out dated maps https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1509581490585227265?s=20&t=NMd-9Sb_KolukLwYgWPBRA what's crazy to me is the 're-printed in 2007' part - it doesn't appear to have been updated at all if the conditions shown are the same as in 1990... Also this is another story from Mariupol - Russian artillerymen were calling in their firing positions on open comms and osint people figured out the coordinate system that Russia is still using is from the Soviet era, and used 1980's Soviet maps to determine the location of the strikes. https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1509545576593084427?s=20&t=NMd-9Sb_KolukLwYgWPBRA I saw the twitter thread, but the article is a better read.
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Gatts posted:Again? Like is he next in line after Soros and Hillary? I meant more with this conspiracy д-скоро (assuming Q has an equivalent in Russia) bullshit dribbling from the mouths of whackos 
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Things are accellerating in the north west. https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1509581356669763588?s=20&t=eBK3dO1vQe45DmDcamM8uA By "things" I mean "the Ukrainian military getting their territory back" And they're doing the correct logistics stuff to make it easier to keep https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1509395817844514825?s=20&t=eBK3dO1vQe45DmDcamM8uA Logistics 
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:He also mentioned having a loader had some other advantages people don't really think about when purely comparing tanks based on theoretical statistics. Mainly, just having an extra guy around can be a huge help when it comes to things like maintenance, standing watch, other workload related things, etc... With an autoloader you have to do all that with three dudes instead of four and the workload can increase proportionally. Yeah I think there's a lot of support for having four crew members in a 65+ t main battle tank. It goes beyond simply loading the cannon, there's a bunch of good reasons to do it. Even in a future design with an autoloader to better deal with larger ammo* (for example if they adopt the larger 130 mm smoothbore that Rheinmetall is working on), I think they'll keep the fourth crew member around and convert them into a systems operator to command drones, coordinate with data networks, and perform other tasks that can help reduce the workload on the commander. Though the argument that instead a tank company should have three-man crews with an organic field maintenance team is probably a reasonable one. * As weight and size increases, human loaders start to reach limits of how quickly and repeatedly they can physically move the ammunition. When the M1 Abrams first came out, it used 18.6 kg rounds that were 627 mm long. Now it's up past 22.3 kg rounds that are 892 mm in length (in fact the newest ones are probably even larger). The Rheinmetall 130 mm prototype uses 30 kg rounds that are 1300 mm in length. Lethality requirements might soon end up necessitating an autoloader, even if doctrine doesn't change. https://youtu.be/J8Sa_q-Lz6g Kaal fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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GaussianCopula posted:It was mostly a politician giving a (false) story to a very supportive paper that turned out to be more fake than news. You gotta spell this out for me, I can't access the article.
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every time there's news about ukraine getting more weapons you get replies from russia supporters jerking off about how it's just going to get destroyed by kalibr missiles do these people think that's it's some wonder weapon that can be used in any situation for any target forever at no cost and will always win russia all wars
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Things keep happening - apparently due to the failure of negotiations between Japan and Russia on a peace treaty Japan is potentially going to declare the Kuril Islands as 'illegally occupied' again. https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1509566387110522882?s=20&t=eBK3dO1vQe45DmDcamM8uA EMPR source but I found the original Kyodo News article: https://english.kyodonews.net/news/...ds=Kurils,Kuril quote:Japan will once again describe Russia's decades-long hold over a string of disputed northern islands as an "illegal occupation" in an annual foreign policy report, a draft showed Thursday, as bilateral ties sour following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. The article has a lot of background on the history/changing status of the dispute in recent years.
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the popes toes posted:Ah, interestingly that tracks with a lot of recent "bad twitter" takes that have just sprung up about how historically barbaric the Ukrainians have been to the Poles, and how "blind" to history the Poles must be to support Ukraine.
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KitConstantine posted:It was suspected, and maybe there was prior evidence I hadn't seen but I thought this was interesting - the Russians are using super out dated maps Ah, the updating in 2007 would actually make sense - in 2007 the GLONASS PZ-90 datum (that is, where their GNSS reckons the center of the Earth to be) was updated to more closely match global WGS 84 standards. If they'd been using an older datum before then then their GNSS coordinates wouldn't have matched what they were seeing on the map, so even if nothing else changed adjusting the coordinates to match the new 2007 datum would have made sense. That being said, a further update to the PZ-90 datum came out in 2013 but perhaps that was a smaller change that wouldn't have made as much of a navigational difference. And of course, updating the coordinates alone without checking conditions on the ground isn't really ideal for map accuracy in general but I guess the Ukrainians weren't super interested in helping them update their military maps. Either way, this certainly helps explain why those Russian troops from way back when were spotted bumbling around in circles getting lost in a Ukrainian city. Edit: mobby_6kl posted:It's not exactly incorrect but the trolls probably don't realize that everyone but the russians moved on and looks towards the future, nobody in Europe relives WW2 or older history, because we all interact with each other all the time I for one am extremely confused why Macron doesn't spend more time speaking of the perfidy of the vile Austrians after all their long history together. Also aren't we about due for a new Danish-Swedish War? Tomn fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Doccers posted:Nukes are the murder-suicide option. If Russia nukes Poland, their government will cease to exist. And I suspect the West will be able to handle that with conventional guided munitions Russia spasming nuclear weapons while NATO takes them apart with conventional weapons instead of ending the world is a pretty grimdark reality that I had never previously considered. Thanks for that.
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KitConstantine posted:Russia is continuing to talk poo poo about Poland, increasing frequency of talk. Reading the actual articles, it's mostly about economics and how "Russophobia" is driving sanctions and policies that are completely unsustainable (to the Poles) as food and energy prices climb and more and more refugees flee into the EU. Essentially they're saying that Poland and any other countries inspired by similar policies are putting geopolitical biases ahead of the needs of their own people and risk committing economic suicide Basically it seems to amount to a bunch of projection and 
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Many news sites have reported that 130000+ conscripts have been called into service, noting Russia is saying it is not an action related to the war but routine biannual intake of conscripts. All the articles I checked left it vague if this matches previous years, i.e. if these are usual numbers for conscripts taken in in the spring. Anyone have an idea? Not looking for speculation on how they surely will be pushed into the fire after two weeks of drills. Just if there's a source confirming that this is something that would be happening on every year.
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d64 posted:Many news sites have reported that 130000+ conscripts have been called into service, noting Russia is saying it is not an action related to the war but routine biannual intake of conscripts. All the articles I checked left it vague if this matches previous years, i.e. if these are usual numbers for conscripts taken in in the spring. Anyone have an idea? They have mandatory conscription so the only exceptional thing in this is that it happens during an active land war in Ukraine. And they might be less inclined to allow "medical exception" classifications because of bribing off the officers doing the paperwork.
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PerilPastry posted:Reading the actual articles, it's mostly about economics and how "Russophobia" is driving sanctions and policies that are completely unsustainable (to the Poles) as food and energy prices climb and more and more refugees flee into the EU. Essentially they're saying that Poland and any other countries inspired by similar policies are putting geopolitical biases ahead of the needs of their own people and risk committing economic suicide This literally describes Russia for the past 10 years.
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