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Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Yeah, what you're really looking for is China to send in troops to overthrow our corrupt government. They will be hailed as liberators.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 18:51

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# ? May 24, 2024 23:25

eviltastic: Feb 8, 2004; Fan of Britches

CommieGIR posted:

Given that we know the GOP was directly involved in discussions with Russia around how to enable it: Eh, I wouldn't say dwarfed. A lot of those same American oligarchs were caught with their hands in the Russian cookie jar.

This got me curious and, in the course of googling up what might've come of the NRA / Maria Butina thing, I discovered something that kinda blew my mind. One of Pete Brownell's companies is offering bear hunting trips to Russia right now. As in spring 2022, with travel dates as early as mid-April.

Granted, it's in Kamchatka, which is about as far as one could get from the conflict and still be in Russia, but still...

e: in case someone doesn't remember, that's the former NRA board member and president that Ollie North replaced. Seems he developed a surprising need to devote more attention to his family businesses shortly after the FBI raided Butina's apartment.

eviltastic fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 31, 2022

# ? Mar 31, 2022 18:58

Mellow Seas: Oct 9, 2012; Can't post for 10 years!

Gumball Gumption posted:

Yeah, what you're really looking for is China to send in troops to overthrow our corrupt government. They will be hailed as liberators.

Well, maybe by some people!

Covid (along with a bunch of other crap over the last 30 years) has absolutely shown that China's system has some decided advantages over ours. (And of course, we have our own bizarro versions of many of their most dystopian traits, and plenty that are exclusive to us.)

It's a blessing that the two countries have linked their economies in a way that seems inextricable, which suggests that over the century they may learn from each other. This is a stark contrast to the first Cold War, where each superpower basically set up its own "global economy".

Thanks... Nixon?!

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:02

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

The DOJ is expanding the investigation and prosecution of January 6th to "government officials in Mr. Trump's orbit," "VIP attendees of Mr. Trump's January 6th speech," organizers of the Stop the Steal rally, and organizers/participants of the plan to organize fake electoral college electors in different states to declare Trump the winner of those states.

Still no comment from the DOJ on whether they plan to actually charge Trump directly.

quote:

Justice Dept. Widens Jan. 6 Inquiry to Range of Pro-Trump Figures

Federal prosecutors have substantially widened their Jan. 6 investigation to examine the possible culpability of a broad range of figures involved in former President Donald J. Trump�s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, people familiar with the inquiry said on Wednesday.

The investigation now encompasses the possible involvement of other government officials in Mr. Trump�s attempts to obstruct the certification of President Biden�s Electoral College victory and the push by some Trump allies to promote slates of fake electors, they said.

Prosecutors are also asking about planning for the rallies that preceded the assault on the Capitol, including the rally on the Ellipse on Jan. 6 of last year, just before a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol.

The federal investigation initially focused largely on the rioters who had entered the Capitol, an effort that has led to more than 700 arrests. But the Justice Department appears to have moved into a new phase, seeking information about people more closely tied to Mr. Trump. This development comes amid growing political pressure on Attorney General Merrick B. Garland to move more aggressively on the case.

A grand jury sitting in Washington is investigating the rallies that preceded the storming of the Capitol, a person familiar with the matter said.

One of the subpoenas, which was reviewed by The New York Times, sought information about people �classified as VIP attendees� at Mr. Trump�s Jan. 6 rally.

It also sought information about members of the executive and legislative branches who had been involved in the �planning or execution of any rally or any attempt to obstruct, influence, impede or delay� the certification of the 2020 election.

And it asked about the effort by Trump supporters to put forward alternate slates of electors as Mr. Trump and his allies were seeking to challenge the certification of the Electoral College outcome by Congress on Jan. 6.

Another person briefed on the grand jury investigation said at least one person involved in the logistics of the Jan. 6 rally had been asked to appear.

In pursuing Jan. 6 cases, prosecutors have been assembling evidence documenting how defendants have cited statements from Mr. Trump to explain why they stormed the Capitol. And prosecutors have cited in some cases a Twitter post from Mr. Trump weeks before Jan. 6 exhorting his followers to come to Washington, a call that motivated extremist groups in particular.

The expanded criminal inquiry is unfolding as a separate investigation by the House select committee on the Capitol riot is gathering evidence about Mr. Trump�s efforts to hold onto power and weighing the possibility of making a criminal referral of Mr. Trump to the Justice Department.

On Monday, a federal judge in California, in a civil case involving the House committee, concluded that Mr. Trump likely engaged in criminal conduct, including obstructing the work of Congress and conspiring to defraud the United States.

Mr. Garland has given little public indication of whether the Justice Department would consider prosecuting Mr. Trump, saying only that the department will follow the facts wherever they lead.

But the expanded inquiry, elements of which were reported earlier by the Washington Post, suggests that prosecutors are pursuing a number of lines of inquiry. Those include any connections between the attack on the Capitol and the organizers and prominent participants in the rally on the Ellipse, and potential criminality in the promotion of pro-Trump slates of electors to replace slates named by states won by Mr. Biden.

The Justice Department previously said it was looking into the slates of electors that had falsely declared Mr. Trump the victor in seven swing states won by Mr. Biden.

Even as election officials in the seven contested states sent official lists of electors who had voted for Mr. Biden to the Electoral College, the fake slates claimed Mr. Trump was the winner in an apparent bid to subvert the election outcome.

Lawmakers, state officials and the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot had asked the Justice Department to look into the role played by those fake electors and the documents they submitted to the National Archives on Dec. 14, 2020. The grand jury subpoenas suggest that prosecutors are seeking to gather evidence of whether submitting the documents to a federal agency amounted to a crime.

Allies of Mr. Trump had been thinking about trying to put in place their own slates of electors at least as far back as 15 days after Election Day. The House select committee is also investigating the fake electors scheme.

The House committee�s investigators, like the federal prosecutors, have also been interested in the planning and financing of the Jan. 6 rally on the Ellipse and key figures involved in it. Ali Alexander, a prominent figure in the pro-Trump �Stop the Steal� movement and an organizer of the rally, has been cooperating with the House committee. Mr. Alexander marched to the Capitol from the rally with Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist and Infowars host.

The House panel has also been seeking information from Amy Kremer, the chairwoman of Women for America First, which helped plan the rally.

The committee has also sent subpoenas seeking information from Katrina Pierson, Mr. Trump�s former national campaign spokeswoman; Kylie Jane Kremer, the daughter of Amy Kremer and the director of Women for America First; Lyndon Brentnall, the owner of a Florida-based security company who was the �on-site supervisor� for the rally; Maggie Mulvaney, a niece of the former top Trump aide Mick Mulvaney who is listed on the permit for the event; Megan Powers, an operations manager; and Tim Unes, whose company was listed as the stage manager for the gathering.

The criminal charges against rioters so far have ranged from misdemeanors to obstructing Congress in its duty to certify the Electoral College result. The Justice Department has also lodged conspiracy charges against leaders of two of the extremist groups who figured prominently in the Capitol attack, the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys.

Enrique Tarrio, the former leader of the Proud Boys, was charged this month with conspiring with other top lieutenants of the far-right nationalist group to disrupt the certification of the election.

In January, prosecutors charged Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of the Oath Keepers militia, with seditious conspiracy for what the government has described as a plot to violently disrupt the work of Congress.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/us/politics/justice-dept-widens-jan-6-inquiry.html

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:02

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

eviltastic posted:

This got me curious and, in the course of googling up what might've come of the NRA / Maria Butina thing, I discovered something that kinda blew my mind. One of Pete Brownell's companies is offering bear hunting trips to Russia right now. As in spring 2022, with travel dates as early as mid-April.

Granted, it's in Kamchatka, which is about as far as one could get from the conflict and still be in Russia, but still...

oddly enough I overheard some dudes yesterday worrying about whether they needed to cancel their bear hunting trip

...was that you? :mad:

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:07

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

So many questions about this.

The head of a major anti-abortion group was just indicted by the Justice Department and arrested by D.C. Capitol Police because she apparently had 5 fetuses stolen from an abortion clinic they protested and "invaded" in 2020 in her house.

She has kept them there for two years after "rescuing" them.

Just a thousand WTFs looping into a ouroboros of WTFs.

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/1509570882095796225
https://twitter.com/NathanBacaTV/status/1509575371154460679

quote:

The US Justice Department announced Wednesday it indicted nine people nationwide it says were involved in an October 2020 "invasion" of a DC reproductive health care clinic.

WUSA9�s camera was there as DC Police homicide and forensic services detectives took evidence out in red biohazard bags and coolers from a rowhouse basement on 6th St SE. At this time, WUSA9 does not know what was in those containers.

According to an indictment - the nine - including two northern Virginia residents - "forcefully entered the clinic" and chained themselves to fixtures inside.

WUSA9 has learned one of those indicted - Lauren Handy - lived at the 6th St Southeast DC rowhouse DC Police raided.

All nine now face federal charges of intimidating employees and a patient -- and preventing patients from receiving reproductive health services.

When speaking about the DC Police raid, Lauren Handy told WUSA9 outside her home that as an anti-abortion activist, she expected Wednesday�s events to �happen sooner or later.� She declined to explain the evidence DC Police took from her home while she was being questioned at the FBI�s Washington Field Office, only to explain that �people would freak out when they heard.� Handy declined to speak on camera.

Nine anti-abortion activists were indicted on federal felony charges for blocking the entrance to a D.C. clinic in October 2020.

The indictment was unsealed Wednesday in D.C. District Court charging a group of activists from around the country with forcing their way into the Washington Surgi-Clinic on F Street NW and using chains and rope to block the entrance.

Charged in the indictment are:

Lauren Handy, of Virginia;
Jonathan Darnell, of Virginia;
Jay Smith, of New York;
Paulette Harlow, of Massachusetts;
Jean Marshall, of Massachusetts;
John Hinshaw, of New York;
Heather Idoni, of Michigan;
William Goodman, of Michigan;
Joan Bell, of New Jersey.

According to the indictment, Handy called the clinic pretending to be a woman named �Hazel Jenkins� who needed an abortion and made an appointment for the morning of Oct. 22, 2020. That morning, Handy allegedly approached a clinic employee and said she was Hazel Jenkins there for her appointment. When the employee opened the door, the indictment says, Handy and the other co-defendants forced their way into the clinic. In the process they allegedly knocked the clinic employee over, causing her to injure her ankle.

Once inside, the defendants allegedly moved chairs to block the entrance to the clinic�s treatment area and used chains and rope to tie them together.

While inside, Darnell allegedly live-streamed the blockade, saying at one point, �We have people intervening physically with their bodies to prevent women from entering the clinic to murder their children.�

The indictment charges all nine defendants with conspiracy against rights and clinic access obstruction. The first count is a felony carrying a maximum sentence of up to 10 years in prison.

Handy, who founded the anti-abortion group Mercy Missions, has a long history of protests at clinics around the country. In 2019, she and another group of protesters that also included Goodman, were charged with a felony for allegedly resisting arrest at an abortion clinic in Michigan. That charge was reduced earlier this year to misdemeanor trespassing.

Darnell as well has been involved in other anti-abortion protests in the D.C. area. In 2019, WUSA9 reported that he joined a group of protestors who set up outside Dunbar High School with graphic anti-abortion posters.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:08

eviltastic: Feb 8, 2004; Fan of Britches

GreyjoyBastard posted:

oddly enough I overheard some dudes yesterday worrying about whether they needed to cancel their bear hunting trip

...was that you?

Biggest thing I've ever had any intentions of slaying with a rifle was a gallon jug, so no. Steve Rinella I ain't.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:19

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

It's very hard for me to imagine that if the CCP invaded the United States they would be greeted as 'liberators'. The CCP, a government that is currently enacting a genocide based on ethnic and religious lines, a government that allows perhaps the least amount of freedom of speech and expression on Earth, a government that is truly pioneering exciting new frontiers in monitoring social activity and censoring dissent, just doesn't seem like it'll be accepted by the hundreds of millions of Americans who, as demonstrated very clearly throughout this global pandemic, value personal freedoms of all stripes (speech, identity, religion, movement, etc) more than public health itself.

I just did a little googling on Chinese universal healthcare and it appears they're still struggling with the issue of catastrophic health expenditures among lower income citizens. If the CCP's China were actually some sort of egalitarian utopia then, poo poo, maybe I'd be interested. But, as it exists today in the year 2022? No thanks.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:25

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

Koos Group posted:

As a reminder, if anyone would like to argue with other D&D US posters but find this thread's rules stifling, the CCCC USPol thread may be of interest.

Can we do something about the style sheet I can't get my angry up among the soothing pastels and comic sans

Koos Group posted:

Any invader?

I would at least want to see the Independence Day Aliens' healthcare plan before making any hasty decisions

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:26

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

VitalSigns posted:

I would at least want to see the Independence Day Aliens' healthcare plan before making any hasty decisions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rw5MosKRm4

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:27

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

The Russian Defense Ministry held a public briefing today with claims that, if true, would take the Hunter Biden story to a new level.

They allege that they have new evidence that Hunter Biden actually did influence government policy.

According to Igor Kirillov at the Russian Defense Ministry, Hunter Biden and migratory birds have allegedly been working together to plan bioweapon attacks against Russia. All the money Hunter was being paid was part of his role in raising funds for the bioweapons labs and securing the migratory birds.

quote:

Two days after former President Trump asked the Kremlin for dirt on the Bidens, the Russian government held a briefing that spread a bizarre conspiracy theory about the Bidens.

It�s a different topic than what Trump asked for, but one that�s far more in line with the war that Russia may be losing in Ukraine.

Russia�s Ministry of Defense on Thursday held a briefing that largely picked up the thread from an earlier, bird-related Ukraine biolab conspiracy theory that it had spread. Now, Russian officials claimed, not only were birds, Ukraine, and communicable disease involved, but so was Hunter Biden.

Russian officials published slides showing what they claimed to be an email chain involving the younger Biden

Picking up on the narrative that Russia began to manufacture last month of supposed biolaboratories in Ukraine meant to spread harmful agents via migratory birds, Russia�s Ministry of Defense said on Thursday that Hunter Biden was involved.

The Russians trotted out Igor Kirillov, head of radiation, chemical, and biological defense for Russia�s armed forces, to elaborate.

�The content of the messages shows that Hunter Biden played an important role in creating the financial possibility to conduct work with pathogens on Ukrainian territory,� adding that the younger Biden sought investments for the bird scheme.

In some ways, this is all the latest iteration of events that have repeated themselves since 2016, when Trump asked Russia to find �30,000 emails that are missing� from Hillary Clinton�s server. Within a day of that statement, federal prosecutors have said, Russian hackers targeted the candidate�s accounts.

In the run-up to the 2020 presidential election, Trump demanded that Ukraine manufacture dirt on the Bidens to help with his re-election effort. That effort led to Trump�s first impeachment, but not before a host of Russia-aligned Ukrainians volunteered various items that included supposed tapes of calls between Biden and Ukrainian officials during the Obama years. U.S. officials have since described the response as part of a Russian propaganda campaign.

Trump told John Solomon, a former AP reporter who relayed debunked allegations of Joe Biden�s work in Ukraine during the first impeachment, that he wanted Russia to release information about Hunter Biden�s supposed ties to the Russian oligarch wife of a former mayor of Moscow.

�How is it that the mayor of Moscow, his wife gave the Biden family three and a half million dollars?� Trump said. �I think Putin now would be willing to probably give that answer. I�m sure he knows.�

Russia did not address that, shifting the focus away from the finances of the city of Moscow to Ukraine.

At the briefing, Kirillov did not return directly to the well-trodden territory of allegations that the biolabs were being used to create bird-vectored pathogens.

Rather, he stayed in more familiar waters.

�The published message exchange demonstrates how the true aims of the Pentagon in Ukraine are far from scientific,� he said, adding that one message shows a Pentagon subcontractor discussing how work in Ukraine was directed at guaranteeing �the cultural and economic independence of Ukraine from Russia.�

When the biolab theory first emerged last month, it stoked fears that Russia may have been laying the groundwork for a chemical or biological weapons attack on Ukraine. NATO officials briefed reporters to that effect, saying that the propaganda effort had raised concerns that such an attack might have been forthcoming.

Now, however, it looks like something far more familiar.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/on-cue-from-trump-kremlin-starts-dishing-new-biden-disinfo

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:29

Mellow Seas: Oct 9, 2012; Can't post for 10 years!

VitalSigns posted:

I would at least want to see the Independence Day Aliens' healthcare plan before making any hasty decisions

(disclaimer: this simpsons meme is not an endorsement of violence)

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:30

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

The Red Dawn remake is now current events? Did I miss something?

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:33

Fritz the Horse: Dec 26, 2019; ... of course!

Jaxyon posted:

The Red Dawn remake is now current events? Did I miss something?

see thread title

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:37

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

So many questions about this.

The head of a major anti-abortion group was just indicted by the Justice Department and arrested by D.C. Capitol Police because she apparently had 5 fetuses stolen from an abortion clinic they protested and "invaded" in 2020 in her house.

She has kept them there for two years after "rescuing" them.

Just a thousand WTFs looping into a ouroboros of WTFs.

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/1509570882095796225
https://twitter.com/NathanBacaTV/status/1509575371154460679

look maybe she just wants a jar just like Rick Santorum.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:37

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

Fritz the Horse posted:

see thread title

US Probated Events

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:38

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

On one hand at least she is behaving like she actually believes her anti-abortion bullshit.

On the other, gently caress her bullshit.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:40

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Jaxyon posted:

On one hand at least she is behaving like she actually believes her anti-abortion bullshit.

On the other, gently caress her bullshit.

I totally believes she thinks the discovery is going to shock people about abortion, and not about how much a ghoul her group is.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:48

Kavros: May 18, 2011; sleep sleep sleep
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sleep sleep sleep

How are u posted:

It's very hard for me to imagine that if the CCP invaded the United States they would be greeted as 'liberators'.

they've managed to get koreans to distrust them and view their government more negatively than they view japan, which is rather impressive given the extent of generational resentment and bad blood they've shot straight past in the history of the imperial occupation of korea to earn the title of "most disliked and distrusted" ... they're even less warmly viewed than the DPRK and are considered to be more of a threat to security and autonomy

# ? Mar 31, 2022 19:51

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

How are u posted:

It's very hard for me to imagine that if the CCP invaded the United States they would be greeted as 'liberators'. The CCP, a government that is currently enacting a genocide based on ethnic and religious lines, a government that allows perhaps the least amount of freedom of speech and expression on Earth, a government that is truly pioneering exciting new frontiers in monitoring social activity and censoring dissent, just doesn't seem like it'll be accepted by the hundreds of millions of Americans who, as demonstrated very clearly throughout this global pandemic, value personal freedoms of all stripes (speech, identity, religion, movement, etc) more than public health itself.

I just did a little googling on Chinese universal healthcare and it appears they're still struggling with the issue of catastrophic health expenditures among lower income citizens. If the CCP's China were actually some sort of egalitarian utopia then, poo poo, maybe I'd be interested. But, as it exists today in the year 2022? No thanks.

Good point, a better plan would be involving the US in belt and road and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure while making us a client state.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:14

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

So many questions about this.

The head of a major anti-abortion group was just indicted by the Justice Department and arrested by D.C. Capitol Police because she apparently had 5 fetuses stolen from an abortion clinic they protested and "invaded" in 2020 in her house.

She has kept them there for two years after "rescuing" them.

Just a thousand WTFs looping into a ouroboros of WTFs.

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/1509570882095796225
https://twitter.com/NathanBacaTV/status/1509575371154460679

Not as surprising as I'd like it to be; I recall antiabortion groups have previously staged photos showing the mistreatment of the, ah, articles in question. Animal rights groups do the same with research labs.

Fritz the Horse posted:

see thread title

Radical new "not moderating, as a joke" policy.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:21

How are u: May 19, 2005; by Azathoth

Gumball Gumption posted:

Good point, a better plan would be involving the US in belt and road and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure while making us a client state.

We've started working on our own infrastructure with the passage of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act last year. We'll hopefully be seeing even more investment in the coming months, as we (fingers crossed) may get a package with enormous spending on Biden's climate provisions. Make no mistake, there's enormous infrastructure work to be done over the next two decades as we must re-adjust and rebuild to adapt to climate change. The American public at large understand this and is in favor of it, and, though we have Republican fascists and some Democrats still beholden to the oil and gas industry, that won't stem the tide forever. It's happening now, and will be happening even more in the years to come.

We've seen how the CCP does infrastructure investment in other nations, over the past decade. I don't think we need that or want that. We're more than capable, willing, and ready to do it ourselves.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:22

Mellow Seas: Oct 9, 2012; Can't post for 10 years!

Discendo Vox posted:

Radical new "not moderating, as a joke" policy.

I mean, half the people who have posted in the thread today are on probation, so you can't really say it's not moderated... the title certainly does call attention to the apparent futility.

For content: Biden has, as expected, unleashed the strategic oil reserves.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1089887254/biden-considering-to-tap-oil-reserves-to-control-gas-prices

NPR posted:

President Biden announced a plan Thursday to draw 1 million barrels of oil per day for the next six months from the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve � an unprecedented push to use the emergency stocks to try to take the edge off of soaring gasoline prices.

He said gas prices could drop by as much as 35 cents per gallon, but that it would depend on a number of factors, including how many barrels are released by allies holding oil reserves of their own. Prices average $4.22 per gallon for regular � up from $3.61 a month ago and $2.87 a year ago, according to AAA.

"I know gas prices are are painful, I get it. My plan is going to help ease that pain today," Biden said, referring to the surge in gas prices as "Putin's price hike."

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:24

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The Russian Defense Ministry held a public briefing today with claims that, if true, would take the Hunter Biden story to a new level.

They allege that they have new evidence that Hunter Biden actually did influence government policy.

According to Igor Kirillov at the Russian Defense Ministry, Hunter Biden and migratory birds have allegedly been working together to plan bioweapon attacks against Russia. All the money Hunter was being paid was part of his role in raising funds for the bioweapons labs and securing the migratory birds.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/on-cue-from-trump-kremlin-starts-dishing-new-biden-disinfo

As far as I can tell, all the article says regarding Hunter's involvement is that he "played an important role in creating the financial possibility to conduct work with pathogens on Ukrainian territory" by "[seeking] investments for the bird scheme".

If there's any claim that Hunter influenced US government policy, I don't see it in the article as it's written right now. Though it might be an error on the site's end, since the link that looks like it would contain more details about the supposed evidence instead goes to a story from three weeks ago.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:50

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

Main Paineframe posted:

As far as I can tell, all the article says regarding Hunter's involvement is that he "played an important role in creating the financial possibility to conduct work with pathogens on Ukrainian territory" by "[seeking] investments for the bird scheme".

If there's any claim that Hunter influenced US government policy, I don't see it in the article as it's written right now. Though it might be an error on the site's end, since the link that looks like it would contain more details about the supposed evidence instead goes to a story from three weeks ago.

(I was joking and not taking the obviously wild story the Russian Defense Ministry is saying seriously.)

They are just repeating the previous bioweapons story that Gab, Parlor, Glenn Greenwald, and Tucker were promoting a month ago and just pasted Hunter Biden in. That is why the sarcastic "big, if true" is in there.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:53

selec: Sep 6, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

(I was joking and not taking the obviously wild story the Russian Defense Ministry is saying seriously.)

They are just repeating the previous bioweapons story that Gab, Parlor, Glenn Greenwald, and Tucker were promoting a month ago and just pasted Hunter Biden in. That is why the sarcastic "big, if true" is in there.

At this point I�m not really counting anything out because poo poo just seems to be approaching the Weirdness Event Horizon constantly. It�s unlikely Hunter Biden is also working for US intel in that he�s a sexed up crackhead failson of a US pol, but also he�s got several of the markers of people who frequently have worked for US intel in the past: drug abuse, family connections, failure in life, extremely horny.

Like if you filed the serial numbers off the story and presented it without the context it exists in currently I would absolutely say it fits a pattern for the kind of people US intel has recruited in the past.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:58

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

Ironically, if the Russian government is correct and Hunter Biden was collecting all of that money on behalf of the U.S. and Ukrainian governments to collect migratory birds, develop bioweapons, and arm the birds with biological weapons, then his tax problems would be solved since it wasn't personal income.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 20:59

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

CommieGIR posted:

Frankly? I don't give a poo poo. I'm more worried about the GOP actively censoring Gay Rights and Trans Rights than I am about the Hunter Biden story brought to you by the wonderful people at Murdoch, the makers of Fox News.

Frankly, its unsurprising the fact checkers at the time thumbs downed the Hunter Biden laptop story because it was being pushed by the same people screaming about election fraud that didn't exist. New information changed that? The Feds are looking into it. Good. But at the time it was nothing more than another poo poo story being attempted to justify overthrowing an election.

This is, quite frankly, an absolutely dog poo poo response. "It was censored? Prove it! Oh you proved it using direct quotes from the people who censored it saying they were wrong to do so? Well actually I don't give a gently caress, because I'm too busy being concerned with Trans Rights" I mean a. is this really the standard you want to try and set in a debate forum you are nominally responsible for and b. don't wave us around like a loving shield to try and get out of an argument that's going badly for you

e: oh look there's a whole new page of posts, gently caress

# ? Mar 31, 2022 21:27

InsertPotPun: Apr 16, 2018; Pissy Bitch stan

How are u posted:

It's very hard for me to imagine that if the CCP invaded the United States they would be greeted as 'liberators'.

chuds governors will make deals and secure promises that they'll get to remain king of their fiefdom for access. america's bloated and inefficient military will mean that we'll have no working equipment to fight, that the number of troops we actually have is nowhere close to the number someone gets money for, and the ones who are there are fully embedded chuds who want to see america destroyed to own the libs.
these people WANT to die. they just want it to happen with a dem president so they can die smug
:yeeclaw:

InsertPotPun fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Mar 31, 2022

# ? Mar 31, 2022 21:49

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Biden is using the bully pulpit to ask Congress for the changes he thinks we need. Good to see him finally use it.

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1509599348702814208

# ? Mar 31, 2022 21:59

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

some plague rats posted:

I mean a. is this really the standard you want to try and set in a debate forum you are nominally responsible for and b. don't wave us around like a loving shield to try and get out of an argument that's going badly for you

Ignoring your absolute rageposting: I didn't use it as a shield at all? You are the only one implying that I did so.

Shockingly, I can make mistakes and most mods do, but I wasn't arguing as a mod, I was posting as a poster and nowhere did I imply it was a moderating post.
But at the end of the day: The stuff was being pushed by absolute lovely personalities who were using it as a cudgel to undermine voting, not as an actual thing they gave a gently caress about as they actively helped defend someone using his own kids and family as corrupt cronies in his own administration. Its whataboutism. And nobody had verified anything about Hunter's laptop at the time, other than Giuliani raging at the press about it and shoving it in front of FBI officers as they raided his house for his own misdeeds.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:17

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Gumball Gumption posted:

Biden is using the bully pulpit to ask Congress for the changes he thinks we need. Good to see him finally use it.

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1509599348702814208

The dems, including the executive, have raised this matter intermittently since at least the early 2000s. This admin had been raising the unused permits in press communications and calling for a reevaluation since January 2021, when it was part of comms on the halt on further leases following the Trump administration.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:18

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

How are u posted:

We've started working on our own infrastructure with the passage of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act last year. We'll hopefully be seeing even more investment in the coming months, as we (fingers crossed) may get a package with enormous spending on Biden's climate provisions. Make no mistake, there's enormous infrastructure work to be done over the next two decades as we must re-adjust and rebuild to adapt to climate change. The American public at large understand this and is in favor of it, and, though we have Republican fascists and some Democrats still beholden to the oil and gas industry, that won't stem the tide forever. It's happening now, and will be happening even more in the years to come.

We've seen how the CCP does infrastructure investment in other nations, over the past decade. I don't think we need that or want that. We're more than capable, willing, and ready to do it ourselves.

For this to be true, the infrastructure bill would have to be the first step in the journey. As it stands, it looks like it's going to be the only significant step in the journey for the foreseeable future. I'm not seeing how the evidence backs up your claim that "we're willing to do it ourselves."

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:18

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

CommieGIR posted:

Ignoring your absolute rageposting: I didn't use it as a shield at all? You are the only one implying that I did so.

Shockingly, I can make mistakes and most mods do, but I wasn't arguing as a mod, I was posting as a poster and nowhere did I imply it was a moderating post.
But at the end of the day: The stuff was being pushed by absolute lovely personalities who were using it as a cudgel to undermine voting, not as an actual thing they gave a gently caress about as they actively helped defend someone using his own kids and family as corrupt cronies in his own administration. Its whataboutism. And nobody had verified anything about Hunter's laptop at the time, other than Giuliani raging at the press about it and shoving it in front of FBI officers as they raided his house for his own misdeeds.

The FBI seized the laptop from the repair shop in 2019 because it was subpoenaed. In the same way conspiracy theory mixes up facts and conspiracy to give everything an air of truth you're mixing them up to give everything an air of falsehood. You're confusing real established facts with the conspiracy elements.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:24

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Gumball Gumption posted:

The FBI seized the laptop from the repair shop in 2019 because it was subpoenaed. In the same way conspiracy theory mixes up facts and conspiracy to give everything an air of truth you're mixing them up to give everything an air of falsehood. You're confusing real established facts with the conspiracy elements.

Giuliani had copies of the data he kept pressing into agents hands like a desperate evangelist on the corner as they raided and seized his devices.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/giuliani-fbi-raid-hunter-biden-b1839979.html

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1387923750201475076?s=20&t=bUdu8jgoArDOPFu0yuQjtg

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Mar 31, 2022

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:26

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

CommieGIR posted:

Giuliani had copies of the data he kept pressing into agents hands like a desperate evangelist on the corner as they raided and seized his devices.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/giuliani-fbi-raid-hunter-biden-b1839979.html

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1387923750201475076?s=20&t=bUdu8jgoArDOPFu0yuQjtg

Which they didn't take. The New York Post was able to verify the laptops existence and seizure by the FBI in 2019 independent of Giuliani. Their original reporting verified it. Others verified it's existence. Yes, Giuliani is personally interested in this because it helps his personal interests. None of that makes the real FBI investigation less real.

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:37

eviltastic: Feb 8, 2004; Fan of Britches

Gumball Gumption posted:

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1509599348702814208

Wait, isn't "use it or lose it" how this stuff already works?

e: some digging indicates that I was thinking of environmentalist efforts to lease resources with no intent to develop being rejected under requirements for diligent development. I am dumb about this and don't know how selectively or not that may have been used against environmentalists vs. industry figures slow-walking their drilling project for whatever reason. There are definitely already diligent development requirements under the mineral leasing act.

eviltastic fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Mar 31, 2022

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:48

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

CommieGIR posted:

Ignoring your absolute rageposting: I didn't use it as a shield at all? You are the only one implying that I did so.

Shockingly, I can make mistakes and most mods do, but I wasn't arguing as a mod, I was posting as a poster and nowhere did I imply it was a moderating post.

How else is telling people you don't give a gently caress about the thing we're talking about because you're too concerned with Gay And Trans Rights going to come across? What other inference are we supposed to draw from that other than the dread whataboutism?

You can post over and over that you're not posting as a mod, you're posting as a poster, but that blue star doesn't somehow disappear when you post aggro poo poo and when people posting way less inflammatory poo poo on either side of you get probed and you don't it's like who do you think you're fooling here. I get the standard response will be "well PM Koos then" but he's the one who handed out the probes so clearly your lovely aggro posting is moderation approved?

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:57

Kalit: Nov 6, 2006; The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

https://twitter.com/anacabrera/status/1509621287722881030?s=21&t=U4OZNRULkcANYTxv42weFg

That didn�t last long. The summary of the judge�s rulings is

quote:

"In sum, this Court concludes that to the extent promoting voter confidence or preventing voter fraud may have motivated the Legislature in part, this Court finds that the Legislature passed SB 90 with the intent to restructure Florida's election system in ways that favor the Republican Party over the Democratic Party," the judge said. "This Court further finds that, to advance the Legislature's main goal of favoring Republicans over Democrats, the Legislature enacted some of SB 90's provisions with the intent to target Black voters because of their propensity to favor Democratic candidates."

Hopefully this opinion is good enough to convince an appeals court to not overrule it. But I have no idea how all that works/if it matters. Regardless, it�s good news for now for Florida

# ? Mar 31, 2022 22:58

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FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Kalit posted:

https://twitter.com/anacabrera/status/1509621287722881030?s=21&t=U4OZNRULkcANYTxv42weFg

That didn�t last long. The summary of the judge�s rulings is

Hopefully this opinion is good enough to convince an appeals court to not overrule it. But I have no idea how all that works/if it matters. Regardless, it�s good news for now for Florida

I can pretty much guarantee this gets overturned on appeal, because our federal appellate circuit sucks rear end

# ? Mar 31, 2022 23:03

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