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kartikeya posted:Sure. You can say "This thing this country is doing is bad, and this other country calling them on it is hypocritical because x". The difference is in not downplaying the former with the latter, but it's what Rall nearly always does. And every single one of his cartoons and commentaries on this conflict have been deflecting blame away from Russia, or positioning Russia as the victim. He acts as though this war just sort of happened, just appeared one day out of the clear blue sky, inexplicable, and everyone is unfairly blaming poor Russia for these events that were entirely beyond its control. Precisely. quote:This is not the argument that Rall has been making. Nor will he ever make that argument because 1) he's literally paid by the Russian government, and 2) even if he wasn't he's too inept to manage that kind of nuance.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Nor will he ever make that argument because 1) he's literally paid by the Russian government, and 2) even if he wasn't he's too inept to manage that kind of nuance. I feel like both points are worth putting foward here. Rall knows what he's doing when he brings out 'leftist' points about how the US is evil and terrible to defend even more evil and terrible people, or how Biden is both a sleepy, ill-minded fool and an evil warlord just thirsting to get us into a conflict. He knows that even a surface-level look at the claims shows that he's a hack. But it's also worth pointing out that the Russians are willing to pay this man for what essentially are published shitposts, because it gives them another avenue to go 'SEE, EVEN THEY REALIZE IT! WE'RE JUSTIFIED!' to people back home. It's a version of the 'FOX News Feedback Loop' that Jon Stewart pointed out years ago: One show finds a wing-nut to bring on to make a spurious point about something, then the other shows say 'Well, that guy is in the media talking about it. The News trusts him so he MUST be on to something!', and it reinforces itself. You can see it happening in Russia now: Russian State TV says that the evil US Govt. Is funding nazis and bio-labs. Then cue Tucker talking about nazis and bio-labs. It doesn't fool anyone who knows about Tucker, but it looks convincing.
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Raised By Birds posted:Jeff Stahler ANY DAY NOW! Raised By Birds posted:Gary Varvel Of course, Biden's new proposed budget has nearly 800 billion dollars allocated to give to police departments and he literally said "The answer is not to defund police" recently, but I guess why stop loudly asserting that Biden wants to defund police now? Not like reality has ever mattered to conservatives before. Jay Rust posted:Nah, Rall hasn’t said “Russia bombing hospitals is a necessary evil” yet, I’m pretty sure, he’s really just been pointing out hypocrisy, which is, you know, fun https://rall.com/2022/03/29/the-left-must-continue-to-avoid-the-ukraine-trap quote:If the Left backed Ukraine, they’d be joining an unholy alliance with a government installed in a CIA-backed coup, that pointlessly provoked Russia by asking to join NATO and is so tolerant of neo-Nazism that it allows soldiers wearing Nazi insignia in its military and is seems to be trying to set some sort of record for building statues to World War II Nazi collaborators and anti-Semites. Okay, sure, he hasn't explicitly said that Russia needs to be bombing hospitals, true, but when he's concern trolling about how pro-Nazi Ukraine is, his only options are either "Bombing hospitals is good, actually" or to just dismiss it as "fake news." Also it's pretty funny how both Rall, a self-proclaimed leftist, and Ben Garrison, a far right fascist, both are saying that Ukraine provoked Russia into attacking them. Weird! Also here's a fun quote too: quote:Any leftist who publicly expresses support for Ukraine and/or criticizes Russia in the current media environment, awash in imperialist propaganda at a fever pitch, is a rube, a dupe, an idiot. "Anyone who criticizes Russia's imperialist actions is actually pro-imperialist."
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It's like tankies never actually learned anything about Lenin or his attitude to imperialist wars.
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Xander77 posted:It's like tankies never actually learned.
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Having recently had a bit of exposure to Caleb Maupin, I'm now fairly convinced that Rall falls into the same category of "fascist but with capitalists on the enemies list," the main difference being that Maupin would put a bunch of parentheses around "capitalists" and I don't think Rall swings quite that way. Also thanks for taking my question about whataboutism seriously y'all. I have seen claims of whataboutism deployed fairly aggressively and facetiously in the past and it's good to know there's a line between honest comparison and minimisation / windmilling.
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The line is really "Is the person bringing up this other thing to lend evidence to their argument that x is bad, or are they bringing it up to say x isn't that bad?" We see that in that Rall opinion piece I linked, where he opens by saying that someone emailed him "Find a way to be against the war in Ukraine." If Rall wasn't engaging in whataboutism, he would respond by saying "Of course I'm against Russian aggression in Ukraine, my cartoons have been showing how Russia is being imperialist and should be opposed, just like how the US was imperialist and should have been opposed when they went into Iraq/Afghanistan/etc." Instead, his response is to say "Well akshually what Russia is doing doesn't matter, you shouldn't pay attention to it, you should instead be focusing on how bad the US is, criticizing Russia makes you an idiot and an imperialist." No wait, that's giving him too much credit, because he also says "Ukraine practically forced Russia to take action against them by being so provocative!"
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Somfin posted:Having recently had a bit of exposure to Caleb Maupin, I'm now fairly convinced that Rall falls into the same category of "fascist but with capitalists on the enemies list," the main difference being that Maupin would put a bunch of parentheses around "capitalists" and I don't think Rall swings quite that way. Rall's not really a fascist, though. He's more just a lazy, reflexive contrarian who doesn't have any real thought-out values (apart from strong "no you shut the gently caress up dad" instincts which he directs at America in general, not entirely incorrectly but entirely ineptly), and at this moment it's fascists who are the ones willing to pay him. Put another way, if he'd grown up in the Soviet Union instead of the US he'd probably be working for some minor anti-establishment exile organization in the Baltics or something writing equally-lazy garbage about how great an American intervention in Ukraine would be because the Russians tested the biggest hydrogen bomb ever and isn't that evil?
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Raised By Birds posted:Matt Wuerker Other people have already had fun poking the metaphor, but I'll say this is a valient attempt to reclaim "fake news" after being commandeered by Trump et al. Also, Malarky!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Rall's not really a fascist, though. He's more just a lazy, reflexive contrarian who doesn't have any real thought-out values (apart from strong "no you shut the gently caress up dad" instincts which he directs at America in general, not entirely incorrectly but entirely ineptly), and at this moment it's fascists who are the ones willing to pay him. Put another way, if he'd grown up in the Soviet Union instead of the US he'd probably be working for some minor anti-establishment exile organization in the Baltics or something writing equally-lazy garbage about how great an American intervention in Ukraine would be because the Russians tested the biggest hydrogen bomb ever and isn't that evil? I wouldn't wish him to share the unfortunate fate of Vasisualiy Lokhankin, as only hosed up psychopaths sit around and fantasize about that.
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Is Rall even being paid by the Russians any more? I thought he lost that gig when the war started, whined about it on Twitter, then called everyone who made fun of him a Nazi? Which would make a lot of this pandering to get that job back, and thus very funny.
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After The War posted:Is Rall even being paid by the Russians any more? I thought he lost that gig when the war started, whined about it on Twitter, then called everyone who made fun of him a Nazi? He's still working for them; some of his RT work was shuttered, but he's writing columns for Sputnik and appearing in their audio programs, at a minimum. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Discendo Vox posted:He's still working for them; some of his RT work was shuttered, but he's writing columns for Sputnik and appearing in their audio programs, at a minimum. If that's true how do we inform Twitter that he is an employee of a state sponsored news agency? I can't imagine how mad it would make him if he had that tag attached to his twitter.
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Pleasant Friend posted:If that's true how do we inform Twitter that he is an employee of a state sponsored news agency? I can't imagine how mad it would make him if he had that tag attached to his twitter. I can look into that; he's technically a freelancer, in all likelihood, but I don't know twitter's exact rules. RT/Sputnik and their associated networks love to provide free resources and funding to mediating voices for their messaging; it gives them deniability. edit: he falls under their state-affiliated media definition, but it's not immediately clear how to report him. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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Don't touch the poop. The funniest way to interact with Ted Rall is to not interact with him at all.
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Yeah lol the last thing we need is for Rall to figure out this thread is most of his readerbase and decide to become a D&D fixture.
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Libra posted:Don't touch the poop. The funniest way to interact with Ted Rall is to not interact with him at all. yeah, hell is Ted Rall's thought process, let him live there.
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Libra posted:Don't touch the poop. The funniest way to interact with Ted Rall is to get called a Nazi and blocked. Is more like that. Or have him agree with you and go on a diatribe about Ebert again.
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This is the only part of the Prickly City cycle that I enjoy seeing. Why won't anybody take me seriously as a libertarian? Sure, everyone who shares my beliefs is crazy and stupid, but somehow I'm different.
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fool of sound posted:Yeah lol the last thing we need is for Rall to figure out this thread is most of his readerbase and decide to become a D&D fixture.
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Kellies Nomination: Most Easily Interpreted The way the Strawman Character puts "left-wing trolls" in quotes makes me believe that Drinky Duck only thinks they're real (or possibly a drunken hallucination)
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sirtommygunn posted:This is the only part of the Prickly City cycle that I enjoy seeing. Why won't anybody take me seriously as a libertarian? Sure, everyone who shares my beliefs is crazy and stupid, but somehow I'm different. Probably the most political commentary in a prickly city strip for some time, even if the commentary is about a nothing party that will never get any kind of power anywhere
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Pants Donkey posted:He’d be banned in a day, pay to unban, try posting in CSPAM, get banned again, and then whine about us on twitter. are you kidding, they'd love him in zspam (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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JamesBont posted:Kellies Nomination: Most Easily Interpreted Isn't that one just "all these right wing not-twitters are kind of empty"? That's how I read it at least. I can't see what else it could be about.
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JamesBont posted:Kellies Nomination: Most Easily Interpreted I think the intended reading is that the straw liberal girlfriend (Chantel?) is mocking him, and she gets one of her rare wins because the joke is on tight-wing social media clones
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Cloud Potato posted:Evening Standard: Alright, I giggled a bit.
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Libra posted:Don't touch the poop. The funniest way to interact with Ted Rall is to not interact with him at all. That's the best option. Rall is being used to create dissension among the American left so it will be rendered divided, demoralized, and ineffective. Fortunately, his audience is too small to affect much of anything.
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 Pope:  1. Zelensky addresses the Australian parliament. Volodymyr Zelensky asks Australia for Bushmaster armoured vehicles to fend off Russian invasion of Ukraine (Canberra Times) 2. Scott Morrison labelled an ‘autocrat and bully who has no moral compass’ by Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells (Guardian). 3. Anthony Albanese gives the opposition's budget reply speech. Labor pledges $2.5 billion for aged care, and cheaper childcare in budget reply (SMH). Rowe:  Knight:  Lethbridge:  Wilcox:  Leak, Son of Leak:  Labor waved through the cost of living package earlier in the week but call it a blatant election vote grab exercise "they may as well have stapled cash to their how-to-vote cards". Anthony Albanese labels federal budget a ‘cynical exercise’ aimed only at re-election (Guardian)
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Trapezium Dave posted:Leak, Son of Leak:
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Le Monde 30/3  by Emad Hajjaj from Jordan 31/3  by Chappatte from Switzerland "Vladmir, I just need to finish this chore and I'll get back to you."
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 quote:SO MANY SLAPS- SO LITTLE TIME! THE GREAT SLAPPENING PART 2 "...in today’s super sensitive snowflake culture..." "...We all didn’t cross the border illegally and referring to everyone as a “dreamer” is offensive."
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"Truth" is a white person in a suit. 
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Trapezium Dave posted:
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"50% more “queer” into future Disney stories." Oh no! That adds up to a whole extra background character per three movies looking as if they might be thinking of possibly holding hands with a same sex sort-of-partner. Western civilisation is doomed
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:He's more just a lazy, reflexive contrarian who doesn't have any real thought-out values (apart from strong "no you shut the gently caress up dad" instincts which he directs at America in general, not entirely incorrectly but entirely ineptly) I think when all is boiled down, this is what the actual definition of a tankie is.
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