BULBASAUR posted:

So... new rules likely in May

Count Thrashula posted:

Yeah they're doing a big open house in May to show off the box and contents and rules and have open gaming and stuff, so it's GOTTA be around then.

Count Thrashula posted:

For what it's worth, here is the rumored release schedule:

Count Thrashula posted:

For what it's worth, here is the rumored release schedule:

BULBASAUR posted:

Thanks for posting, but its likely a fake

Count Thrashula posted:

Mango Polo posted:

I’m surprised they haven’t started offering mortgages.

TTerrible posted:

Rumours are just Horus Hearsay.

"A huge autist" posted:

I've been playing since Book 1. This new edition will feel familiar to longtime players, but underneath it's a major rework. What we have is closer to a new game than an incremental change. You can feel the influence of more recent specialist games with tighter, more deliberate rules, and less traps or erroneous wargear options. I'm sure everyone can find something they wish was different, but overall what I'm seeing is quite good and an exciting new direction for 30k.

The new game is much more mobile than before- most units can move longer distances, many significantly so. Simultaneously, there are less ways to scout, infiltrate, or outflank. Coming in from reserves is more reliable, more tactically interesting for both players, and also more concentrated- units come in as groups in an area rather than piecemeal across many turns. Assault from certain kinds of reserves is now possible, but can be countered by reactions or planning. Reactions give you an economy of actions to take during an opponents turn, keeping you engaged during the entire game. Fliers can even react to enemy fliers from off the table. All this combined, I think we're going to see a more interesting, dynamic, game. You're going to be planning your turn, how your opponent might react to you, and how you will react to them... and then half an army shows up somewhere else on the table on the second turn. Very cool.

New or existing special rules have been reworked to enable you to buff or debuff units, leading to new interesting interactions. For many of these new interactions there are wargear options that enable you to mitigate them, leading to new, very different, list building opportunities. Some legions lean more heavily into using these new mechanics, but everyone still has access to them. Regarding internal balance, there are some deliberate design choices that have given breathing room to underused wargear and units. Melta bombs, AP2, AP3, and large blast weapons are much more rare. Artillery, in particularly, is either gone or capped out at AP3. Opposite to this, there is now much more access to weapons with things like pinning(), shred(), rending(), or new similar mechanics. Giving special rules scales to how good they pin and rend further helps differentiate equipment. Weapon balance is the best its been with pretty clear niches for most weapons. Leadership has been knocked down a notch, many of the old wargear options are not as strong, and Sergents only bring a unit up to 8. Fearless is somehow even more rare, yet there are more situations where you'll need to test against leadership. Many infantry units now have two wounds with the 'mandatory' wargear options builtin or clearly presented to you. There seems to be a conscious effort to limit the number of trap choices presented to players and to reduce erroneous rolling- no more look out sir, for example, because you don't need it with how the new wound allocation system works. RoW, HQs, and legion abilities are generally less restrictive, but also less powerful.

Its impossible to update a game of this scope without something not working right or somebody getting disappointed. A few of the new rules, like defensive weapons, add granularity without a lot in return. This edition comes almost a decade after Book 1, so the influence of corporate GW is certainly here. While there are less trap choices, there are also less quirky interesting wargear options. Its a change of the times. If a unit doesn't have a model, you can expect it to be gone. Retiring physical models is not an easy pill to swallow- some units are entirely gone, others taken out from the legion book and placed into other army lists. We can only speculate if we'll see some return. Balance is also a double edged sword- the same deliberate design choices that are encouraging big units of infantry are also hurting others. Plasma is less effective, but it still costs a lot. Big powerful ordinance weapons find themselves in strange new niches, doing notably less hits, at notably worse AP, against cheaper, more numerous infantry with the ability to tank the damage better. Despite their best efforts, some habits die hard, so you can still look forward to finding some of that 'old' Forgeworld flavor in here- categorically overpriced plasma pistols, units left without a niche as other things changed around them, wargear options that interact with themselves in a way that nullifys the wargear you paid for, etc. These aren't many, but they're still here.

ijyt posted:

My only concern is the missing units - I didn't like it with 8th and I don't like it here. It makes zero sense because while it doesn't stop GW releasing a kit later, it means having to have rules spread across more books which always kills the vibe for me.

That and I've spent more money making something like Iron Havocs look distinct from Heavies than a single box would likely cost, so dissuading the hobby aspect (which 30K was clearly leading for a long time now) is really annoying.

ijyt posted:

My only concern is the missing units - I didn't like it with 8th and I don't like it here. It makes zero sense because while it doesn't stop GW releasing a kit later, it means having to have rules spread across more books which always kills the vibe for me.

That and I've spent more money making something like Iron Havocs look distinct from Heavies than a single box would likely cost, so dissuading the hobby aspect (which 30K was clearly leading for a long time now) is really annoying.

Charles Get-Out posted:

There's pictures floating around from old books where they're clearly in the MK VI armor but they don't show depth real well so it just looks like a flat faceplate with a skull painted on.

The Demilich posted:

Quick question, any idea if they upscaled the new plastic beakies? Think they might be a tall as at least the new 40k chaos figures?