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quote:Germany has today approved the delivery of 58 armored vehicles to Ukraine, according to information to Die Welt. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/lVmoXy/liverapportering-spanda-laget-kring-ukraina 15 mins old news here for me, link is in 
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Dwesa posted:Sounds like a lot of denial. I would like to know the mood outside of 2 big cities, it's easier to be in denial when you're not receiving zinc coffins (yet). My concern is that the effects of the sanctions aren't being felt on the ground by regular folks.
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Apr 1, 2022 12:38
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Based on Russian competance so far, it was probably two Russian helicopters where the pilots were lost and didn't realise they were still the wrong side of the border.
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Apr 1, 2022 12:40
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Gejnor posted:https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/lVmoXy/liverapportering-spanda-laget-kring-ukraina To add to that, pbv- 501 is the Swedish designation. It's old east German mt-lbs.
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Apr 1, 2022 12:42
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MikeC posted:My concern is that the effects of the sanctions aren't being felt on the ground by regular folks. They will be. They're already out past the cliff edge, they're just hovering a moment because they haven't looked down yet.
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Apr 1, 2022 12:43
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Gejnor posted:https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/lVmoXy/liverapportering-spanda-laget-kring-ukraina Apparently it's 50s vintage design? Maybe upgraded, I dunno. Originally  made at the Kharkiv Tractor Plant  what a world
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Apr 1, 2022 12:45
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at this point i honestly don't think there's anything you can expect from the russian public, the brainwashing and propaganda has had its effect. like in germany, the reality will only really set in after defeat, whatever effect the sanctions will have on people in russia, it will probably not erode support for putin, the sanctions should be applied purely with an eye to undermining his ability to wage war. the only hope to end this is to force a cease fire either by negotiation (unlikely) or to exhaust their military, unfortunately
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Apr 1, 2022 12:47
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mobby_6kl posted:Apparently it's 50s vintage design? Maybe upgraded, I dunno. Originally Its the BMP1, going by this: https://www.sphf.se/svenskt-pansar/fordon/pansarbandvagn/pbv-501-fordonsfamilj/ Once again, link in FILTHY SWEDISH  quote:Armored car 501 family
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Tuna-Fish posted:Ukraine has been making great use of attack helicopters the whole war. Back when Russia was sending columns to outflank Kyiv from the west, the Ukrainians would use drones or guys in ambush with Stugnas or Javelins to take out the AA vehicles in those convoys, and when they were sure there was no AA left, they'd send the helis to clean up. Same happened to the convoy that pushed north past Mykolaiv. Interesting. I hadn't heard anything about Ukrainian helicopters, didn't even know they had any, never mind that they were actively using them successfully.
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Apr 1, 2022 12:49
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mobby_6kl posted:Apparently it's 50s vintage design? Maybe upgraded, I dunno. Originally It's mighty nice of Germany to allow the sale of old junk to Ukraine. (Not that their military has anything better -- it's a total shitshow.)
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Gejnor posted:Its the BMP1, going by this: drat, seems I was wrong. I didn't remember we got those as well.
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Apr 1, 2022 12:52
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The BMP-1 is crazy annoying in War Thunder so I hope it keeps true to form.
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Apr 1, 2022 12:57
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MikeC posted:My concern is that the effects of the sanctions aren't being felt on the ground by regular folks. Economy is not a kalibr missile falling on you, it takes time for effects to take hold - slight price increases on consumer goods are in line with pandemic ones, layoffs are mostly hitting foreign companies leaving Russia (which is independent from sanctions). Besides sanctions are not aimed at common folk so they start asking questions (lost cause for a non-democratic society), they are to hit Russia as a whole.
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fatherboxx posted:Economy is not a kalibr missile falling on you, it takes time for effects to take hold - slight price increases on consumer goods are in line with pandemic ones, layoffs are mostly hitting foreign companies leaving Russia (which is independent from sanctions). In the twitter thread there was a guy from South Africa who explained the same. It was all fine and business as usual for a while until things started getting worse. So far I guess the average person wouldn't notice much beyond the closed McDonalds and lack of hollywood movies. Still, what little effect there has been, I've heard russians whine about them. Whaaa it's difficult to get european visas or fly abroad they're hurting the regular people 
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1509701889956487176?s=20&t=62lVZoIDHwzL0DJrIbycug
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mobby_6kl posted:Apparently it's 50s vintage design? Maybe upgraded, I dunno. Originally Well if it takes eleven men into combat instead of walking or cramming them into a Lada. 
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Apr 1, 2022 13:14
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mobby_6kl posted:In the twitter thread there was a guy from South Africa who explained the same. It was all fine and business as usual for a while until things started getting worse. So far I guess the average person wouldn't notice much beyond the closed McDonalds and lack of hollywood movies. If you ever go to Cape Town city centre (or streetview it) it's very clear that at some point in the 70's the money for new buildings just ran out. That's it really - the world doesn't end but at some point you look around and realise that 'everything continuing exactly as before' means that you are 10 years behind the rest of the world and falling ever further behind.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My best guess is two ukrainian helicopter pilots got a little drunk and dared each other into a mini doolittle raid and then they got lucky and caught russian air defense with their pants down, possibly because the russians assumed they were returning Russian pilots or because they flew low enough to not get detected or both.
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Apr 1, 2022 13:29
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ZombieLenin posted:Okay, but the UA Army General Staff claims to have no knowledge of this attack. A guy on twitter heard from a guy who spoke to someone who said they didn’t know isn’t really a good indication of anything imo.
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Apr 1, 2022 13:34
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GaussianCopula posted:https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1509836235115749384  I'm not a robotics expert, but I'm quite confident I could rig up a remote-controlled roomba with a little plow attached within a few hours. Even something like "let's have one guy do this instead of three" seems like a no-brainer. I understand that the triggering mechanism is designed for a lot of weight for it to detonate, but they are still mines. They're betting their lives on Russian manufacturing and maintenance quality being decent, which recent events suggests is not a bet worth taking, if it can be helped. The risk/reward for what they're doing compared to any of a number of alternatives I can think of does not seem very good. Or maybe this is just an April Fools or a propaganda video, and those are not actually live mines.
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Payndz posted:Russian civilians reported that as the Hinds flew past, they heard someone singing "Downtown". I got that reference!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1509701889956487176?s=20&t=62lVZoIDHwzL0DJrIbycug
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MikeC posted:My concern is that the effects of the sanctions aren't being felt on the ground by regular folks. On a positive note, this proves the morons going "these sanctions are only hurting regular everyday completely innocent Russians who have things bad as it is" as completely wrong.
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ZombieLenin posted:Okay, but the UA Army General Staff claims to have no knowledge of this attack. There's a lot of ways to read that tweet that don't mean that the general staff had no idea it was happening. What was the nature of the enquiry? Was the colleague of the tweeter blind emailing the staff offices asking them about it, was it a personal meeting, presser etc? I don't know how the Ukr mil usually disseminates info about it's operations to the press. Is it done seperately or through a central press release office? has the general staff coordinated the official response, do they have the capacity to reply with accurate information without consulting another group? Are the Ukr mil ready to brief the press about it? This happened in the early hours of this morning, that tweet went out maybe 3 hours after it happened. Is the sortie even over yet? has it been debriefed? do the general staff even know the extent of the success or failure yet? There are so many unknowns with an event this recent that you can't take a statement by someone like that at face value. The whole story is wild though and if it really did play out as it appears, with Ukr just flying into russia, blowing poo poo up and flying off then it's as much a PR win as it is a tactical one.
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Apr 1, 2022 13:50
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Ivankiv falling is huge, it will be interesting to see whether the Russians managed to evacuate that pocket or if they've got a really embarassing retreat on foot through the marshes coming up.
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Apr 1, 2022 13:51
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https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1509866278009376768 The fact they aren't denying it makes me think that Ukraine did strike the oil depot
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https://mobile.twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1509869650984816681 Goddamn look at it burn
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I take back what I said about April Fools stuff this is a pro-click https://twitter.com/vpkivimaki/status/1509865440419491842?s=20&t=Kp5wCddV77A_PRdo1WfgMQ Baby Bayraktar  edit: It's also genuinely instructional btw
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sniper4625 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1509869650984816681 Is this one of those Feints I've been hearing about
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Since the start of this some people seem to have immediately chosen their sides for whatever reason, like this is the superbowl or something. It's amazing how consistently wrong these people have been about pretty much anything, but still somehow manage to keep up the self-righteous arrogance. There is no troop build up at the border, the buildup is just for exercises, they are only marching into Donbas, they are only bombing military targets and have no ground troops, Ukraine will be overrun in 3 days, they are not bombing or shelling cities, they are only shelling cities with Nazis in them, etc. At no point do these people stop and try to reflect and ask themselves "Am I an idiot?" because the answer is just too painful.
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KitConstantine posted:Baby Bayraktar predator drones sure are adorable
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https://twitter.com/stuartelliott50/status/1509854671111966738 Anyone got more on this? BigglesSWE posted:The BMP-1 is crazy annoying in War Thunder so I hope it keeps true to form. The real War Thunder intersection with this war is that Alconafter, largest Russian-speaking YouTuber for the game, apparently had a separate military history YT channel, and a war porn Telegram group. He was arrested some week or two ago by Latvian state security service for glorification of Russia’s aggression and justification of its army’s war crimes, allegedly preempting his attempt to flee to Russia.
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GABA ghoul posted:It's amazing how consistently wrong these people have been about pretty much anything, but still somehow manage to keep up the self-righteous arrogance. There is no troop build up at the border, the buildup is just for exercises, they are only marching into Donbas, they are only bombing military targets and have no ground troops, Ukraine will be overrun in 3 days, they are not bombing or shelling cities, they are only shelling cities with Nazis in them, etc. 'The JFO has been encircled for the last 4 weeks and will surrender any day'
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Current status around Kyiv, including settlements reported re-captured today: https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1509862876433235972?s=20&t=Kp5wCddV77A_PRdo1WfgMQ
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sniper4625 posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1509869650984816681 If the UA is responsible for this, if they have the capability, I honestly think they should be doing a lot more of it. Attacks of military targets on Russian soil proper (not Crimea) are what are going to convince Russians that they are being lied to about the progress of the war.
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lovely tuna snatch posted:On a positive note, this proves the morons going "these sanctions are only hurting regular everyday completely innocent Russians who have things bad as it is" as completely wrong. Everyday upper middle class Russians may have to vacation in Turkey and not France!
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://twitter.com/stuartelliott50/status/1509854671111966738 There were news reports yesterday that the German government is wargaming nationalizing Gazprom Germania and it's subsidiaries as they are vital for the German natural gas infrastructure. I could see Russia trying to protect itself against such a move by obscuring the ownership of Gazprom Germania.
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DekeThornton posted:To add to that, pbv- 501 is the Swedish designation. It's old east German mt-lbs. Yes, but quite heavily modified removing stuff the Swedes found useless and/or in the way, and fitting some for command vehicle duty. As those are probably uselessly outdated, they're really just bad BMP-1s. I hope the Czechs have given them a good upgrade kit, otherwise they seem to be dangerously outdated. I guess with the massive distances in Ukraine, any functional APV is better than none, but I hope others are able to provide Ukraine with more battle-worthy vehicles.
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KitConstantine posted:I take back what I said about April Fools stuff this is a pro-click Nice. They posted an English audio version too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFLtv2exMbU
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Goon Boots posted:predator drones sure are adorable That doesn’t refer to a Bayraktar drone actual.
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