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Uncle Enzo posted:That's the point of training, to have some experience when push comes to shove. The Imp of Nipples posted:I would think the time they'd use it the most would be during a war. I'm not that up to date on radar but I think nap of the earth still a valid way of staying undetected. I mean keep in mind this is coming from me, a guy who was in Afghanistan from 2013-2014 when the risk posture was so conservative that I'm pretty sure the DoD had more deaths from training than combat despite us still having a fairly sizeable force in country. Construction mission on the road just outside of the FOB? Better get signoff from the brigade commander and have an AWT assigned or you're not rolling out the gate. But then again at that point it was less of a war and more of a gigantic black hole of money and lives just waiting for the Taliban to take back over. psydude fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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100% though that this is Russia pulling troops back to try to stab south in the eastern part of Ukraine and isolate and cut off Ukraine's best units in the East, in order to force the units to surrender. Those units are heavily entrenched towards the Donbass and Luhansk regions, which is an amazing defensive position, but that also means that they can't really move or retreat. Circle them up with the 50k Russians who used to be around Kyiv and you've neutralized a major part of the Ukrainian army's fighting power.
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Apr 1, 2022 16:05
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That’d require way more mobility than the Russians have demonstrated so far.
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orange juche posted:100% though that this is Russia pulling troops back to try to stab south in the eastern part of Ukraine and isolate and cut off Ukraine's best units in the East, in order to force the units to surrender. No doubt, but this is also the scenario that everyone thought was going to happen until Putin decided to go for the whole shebang. I'm sure the Ukrainians have planned for this specifically, albeit with 40k more Russian troops and 500 more tanks.
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FrozenVent posted:That’d require way more mobility than the Russians have demonstrated so far. In the East and South it's pretty flat and not very muddy, very unlike around Kyiv. Remember that Russia has done pretty well at holding ground in the south, if they add 50k troops to the mix and can cut the roads supporting the Ukrainian forces out there, then they can really put them in a bad spot, since Ukraine will not have the resources to break out their units that might get caught in an encirclement like that, it's kind of one of the worst nightmare scenarios for Ukrainian general staff I think. I don't know how you would defend against an encirclement like that other than pull back your line to where they can't encircle you. orange juche fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Apr 1, 2022 16:12
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Izyum has fallen and the Ukrainians decidedly tried to fight that move and the wet gap crossings. Russia isn’t going to try to rush the east in a week. They tried the quick shortcut to victory in Kyiv and got hosed up on that attempt. They have more time to try to encircle the Ukrainian regular forces out east now that the super quick victory is demonstrably beyond their reach.
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orange juche posted:In the East and South it's pretty flat and not very muddy, very unlike around Kyiv. Remember that Russia has done pretty well at holding ground in the south, if they add 50k troops to the mix and can cut the roads supporting the Ukrainian forces out there, then they can really put them in a bad spot, since Ukraine will not have the resources to break out their units that might get caught in an encirclement like that, it's kind of one of the worst nightmare scenarios for Ukrainian general staff I think, and one that hadn't come to pass yet. The Sumy corridor is the same, though, and they ran into major logistics issues there. I think you're right that the terrain is more maneuverable, but that's only going to really favor tracked vehicles and it seems like the mud was less of an issue than just running out of parts and gas due to lovely supply trains. e: Their forces taking Mauripol have also been hosed up, so they'll need time to reconstitute and go back on the offense, which will give the Ukrainians more time to reinforce those positions.
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psydude posted:The Sumy corridor is the same, though, and they ran into major logistics issues there. I think you're right that the terrain is more maneuverable, but that's only going to really favor tracked vehicles and it seems like the mud was less of an issue than just running out of parts and gas due to lovely supply trains. I wonder if that strike against the oil depots are part of a plan to reduce operational capacity in the east? No fuel for the tanks to press westwards in better locations for the Russians.
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What I'm more worried about is US and allies deciding that Russia is wholly incompetent and deciding that they don't have to take them as seriously as a threat, and then the Russians prove them wrong. Russia is tripping over it's own dick, but give them enough time and they will figure out how to unfuck their war machine.
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orange juche posted:In the East and South it's pretty flat and not very muddy, very unlike around Kyiv. Remember that Russia has done pretty well at holding ground in the south, if they add 50k troops to the mix and can cut the roads supporting the Ukrainian forces out there, then they can really put them in a bad spot, since Ukraine will not have the resources to break out their units that might get caught in an encirclement like that, it's kind of one of the worst nightmare scenarios for Ukrainian general staff I think. Mind you, I'm under the impression from DoD reports that the units around Kyiv are pulling back for refit because they're pretty exhausted and beat up? They might eventually head out to the East but it'll take some time to recover and prepare, and presumably the Ukrainians will get the same kind of breathing room (and with US satellite intelligence, will know the moment the refitting troops make their move and be ready to shift their own forces in response with faster-moving interior lines). I also wonder a little to what degree "more troops" is helpful, given Russian logistical difficulties. It's possible that the Russian logistical network in the east hasn't been fully saturated yet and can still accommodate that many more troops, but there might also be a limit to how many more troops they can throw into the mix before they start creating more problems than they solve. That's pure speculation, though, I don't know enough about logistics to meaningfully guess what their capacity is out there.
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Cimber posted:I wonder if that strike against the oil depots are part of a plan to reduce operational capacity in the east? No fuel for the tanks to press westwards in better locations for the Russians. Maybe, but also will force Russia to take more anti-air forces and have them sit idle around oil depots rather than do something useful closer to the front.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Maybe, but also will force Russia to take more anti-air forces and have them sit idle around oil depots rather than do something useful closer to the front. I would not be surprised if they move AA assets from the far east and redeploy them. Its not like NK or China is going to invade any time soon. December 1941 vibes increasing.
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orange juche posted:What I'm more worried about is US and allies deciding that Russia is wholly incompetent and deciding that they don't have to take them as seriously as a threat, and then the Russians prove them wrong. I hope Russia reverting to Aleppo tactics will disabuse everyone of the notion that they still can't manage to gently caress everything up while losing spectacularly. psydude fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Is there any question that absent nukes (so fantasy world) the US/NATO could absolutely loving curb stomp the 2022 Russian army? And probably also the 2012 one and the 2032 one?
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I'm surprised they haven't started lobbing chemical poo poo. I really thought that was going to happen sooner.
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bird food bathtub posted:I'm surprised they haven't started lobbing chemical poo poo. I really thought that was going to happen sooner. Chemical weapons don't actually have much use against modern mobile forces. Too difficult to deploy and less lethal than a similar quantity of explosives. They're oy really useful as terror weapons.
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And they make more sense in a defense where you aren’t necessarily killing the enemy with the chem but slowing tempo, canalizing, or turning them.
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orange juche posted:What I'm more worried about is US and allies deciding that Russia is wholly incompetent and deciding that they don't have to take them as seriously as a threat, and then the Russians prove them wrong. No, that's actually the right takeaway. The US should use the Ukraine war as justification to cut its defense budget in half, but of course the Very Serious People are just going to use the situation to siphon more money into the military and their contractors.
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Lol. The defense budget just went up what, 10%? Russia playing gently caress-gently caress games is just going to keep it high. Someone has to pay for the javelins.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Lol. The defense budget just went up what, 10%? Russia playing gently caress-gently caress games is just going to keep it high. Someone has to pay for the javelins. That would be me and why my kids can't have free school lunches.
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Cimber posted:That would be me and why my kids can't have free school lunches. Here in Germany they increased the defense budget AND they're trying to give everyone (almost) free transit passes for 3 months. psydude fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Cimber posted:That would be me and why my kids can't have free school lunches. I have bad news if you think congress would choose to provide more social services if they ever did cut the defense budget
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lightpole posted:My dad flew helicopters in Vietnam and then spent his remaining time as a flight instructor in the bay, flying around CA. He said he would fly under the bridges all the time until he hit a cable. Plenty of training flying into the mountains and going camping and when he was dating my mom he would hover over her house in her back yard. For instrument training he always used the cloud cover around Crissy field, above 100' or so its just a soup you either switch to instruments immediately or try to auger it. You should read "Chickenhawk" if you haven't already. One of the craziest things I ever saw in the military was an Apache playing chicken with a dude carrying an RPG on a hillside. The Apache saw him and knew there were Taliban firing at friendlies from that hill but he couldn't engage until all the ROE conditions were met. So he just hovered in front of the hill and waited until eventually the RPG dude decided to take his shot. It was really, really close, like my heart rate is going up just thinking about it.
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This seems like a great idea: https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1509836235115749384
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cultureulterior posted:This seems like a great idea: 
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Lol. The defense budget just went up what, 10%? Russia playing gently caress-gently caress games is just going to keep it high. Someone has to pay for the javelins. https://youtu.be/OyBNmecVtdU The only thing we are good at as a country is funneling money to MIC
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cultureulterior posted:This seems like a great idea: That soldier has their hands in their pockets!!
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Lake of Methane posted:That soldier has their hands in their pockets!! It's as if a thousand NCOs screamed at once and were suddenly silenced.
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orange juche posted:What I'm more worried about is US and allies deciding that Russia is wholly incompetent and deciding that they don't have to take them as seriously as a threat, and then the Russians prove them wrong. Overestimating Russian power is what led to people suggesting that anyone Putin glances at should capitulate instantly and give him whatever he wants. That approach very much worked in their favor until now. I think many countries will begin to treat them as a regional agitator more than a terrifying superpower and I think that’s probably appropriate. Especially as countries like a Germany sever the last of their ill-advised dependencies on Russian fuel. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Somebody finally punched Pooty in the nose and he pretty much fell over.
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Casimir Radon posted:Somebody finally punched Pooty in the nose and he pretty much fell over. I'd very much like to be wrong, but I don't think we're anywhere near the end of this.
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Lake of Methane posted:That soldier has their hands in their pockets!!
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cultureulterior posted:This seems like a great idea: Very "GOD, I hate you for making me do yard work!!!!!1!" vibes here
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Tiny Timbs posted:Overestimating Russian power is what led to people suggesting that anyone Putin glances at should capitulate instantly and give him whatever he wants. That approach very much worked in their favor until now. Has been fascinating to learn more about German politics, like how their military is ridiculously weak and outdated in proportion to their economy/population/global location. I know the reasons for that but it was interesting how a few months ago if Russia made a beeline for Paris, German defense contributions would be dwarfed by Poland and probably a lot more smaller economies. Apparently during recent pre-Ukraine War exercises the German troops kept lagging behind as their decades old radios were junk.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Has been fascinating to learn more about German politics, like how their military is ridiculously weak and outdated in proportion to their economy/population/global location. I know the reasons for that but it was interesting how a few months ago if Russia made a beeline for Paris, German defense contributions would be dwarfed by Poland and probably a lot more smaller economies. Apparently during recent pre-Ukraine War exercises the German troops kept lagging behind as their decades old radios were junk. My experiences with the Bundeswehr back around 2007 left me with the impression that they were capable and well-equipped but they weren't allowed to actually do anything to the point where they couldn't properly defend themselves. And then once they finally decided to be more aggressive, this happened. vv I was hooked just reading the preview chapters online. The author isn't the most wonderful human being (he wrote parts of the book while in prison for smuggling drugs) but it's an entertaining read and brutally honest. bees everywhere fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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bees everywhere posted:You should read "Chickenhawk" if you haven't already. Yay! Somebody else has read it.  Definitely a good view of the Vietnam experience from a chopper pilots perspective.
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