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Comrade Blyatlov posted:If you can dodge a wrench you can't dodge a javelin What a terrible snipe, have this video instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtOnCGG1Hbg
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a javelin "If you can buy a T-72, you can buy ten Javelins"
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If there's a single institutional takeaway from this war it's about how important actual maintenance procedures are. also the power of an effective information/psyop campaign, and once again how absolutely critical logistics and rear-echelon security are (there is no rear area anymore).
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Grip it and rip it posted:I thought some portion of the Russian military was supposed to be waiting in defensive positions? With Russia's initial goals, I wouldn't be shocked if they just picked up and moved units from the Belgorod region into northern Ukraine, leaving behind the sort of people who are, well, not particularly skilled at looking for hinds flying at sub-100ft altitude. e: seriously, these things were barely over the rooftops on their way out https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1509765821454856237
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Ukrainian helicopter gunship raid into Russia, apparently. Belgorod is just over the border from Kharkiv. drat hope that catte is ok
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vuk83 posted:Tthe equipment is probably fine, the Ukrainian army makes it work. Speaking of, David Axe has little writeup in Forbes about one of Ukraine's tank brigades, and how it's using upgraded T-64s to kill Russians around Chernihiv. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/03/31/ukraines-best-tank-brigade-has-won-the-battle-for-chernihiv/?sh=78e4761b7db9 Apparently the T64BM has suffered relatively few combat losses.
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brains posted:also the power of an effective information/psyop campaign, and once again how absolutely critical logistics and rear-echelon security are (there is no rear area anymore). Yeah. Really it can all be boiled down to "this is why we have maintenance and logistics, you dummies".
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Apr 1, 2022 09:43
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The Russian Army reminds me of someone who bought a used Ferrari for a decent price and now can't afford the insane maintenance to keep it running.
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psydude posted:The Russian Army reminds me of someone who bought a used T-72 for a decent price and now can't afford the insane maintenance to keep it running.
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Apr 1, 2022 09:58
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More like completely normal amount of maintenance. The T-72 is supposed to be the economical one, right?
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A.o.D. posted:More like completely normal amount of maintenance. The T-72 is supposed to be the economical one, right? t62/t72/t90 are the cheap ones t64/t80 are the expensive ones
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What do you mean I have to change the oil in my Civic? I thought Hondas were supposed to be reliable.
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Ukrainian helicopter gunship raid into Russia, apparently. Belgorod is just over the border from Kharkiv. Thirty Seconds Over Belgorod
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Apr 1, 2022 11:49
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Seems like a pretty good target to me. Fuel has been a huge issue for Russian troops so far. Twist that knife a little harder.
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Niton posted:With Russia's initial goals, I wouldn't be shocked if they just picked up and moved units from the Belgorod region into northern Ukraine, leaving behind the sort of people who are, well, not particularly skilled at looking for hinds flying at sub-100ft altitude. First helo has a lot of faith in their wirecutters, or are they just rock solid that there aren't power lines / that if there are, they'll see them. 2nd helo (which I missed completely on the first watch) plans to just go under them.
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Nuclear Tourist posted:Ukrainian helicopter gunship raid into Russia, apparently. Belgorod is just over the border from Kharkiv. So i guess my idea of spec-ops going into Russia to gently caress with their trainlines is back on!
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Seems a bit like a Doolittle raid (designed to send a message), but still awesome.
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Kinda lolling in disbelief that after a month we're already at the point where Ukraine has started strikes into Russia, what a loving bizarro timeline this is
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psydude posted:Seems a bit like a Doolittle raid (designed to send a message), but still awesome. I really hope any similarities to Doolittle end there.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Kinda lolling in disbelief that after a month we're already at the point where Ukraine has started strikes into Russia, what a loving bizarro timeline this is Strikes in Russia, sure, they've got TBMs. Strikes in Russia executed by helicopters operating over wholly occupied ground, in airspace contested by the 3rd largest airforce in the world? Yeah, that's something 12 year old me would have drawn in the back of my math book.
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IPCRESS posted:Strikes in Russia, sure, they've got TBMs. Strikes in Russia executed by helicopters operating over wholly occupied ground, in airspace contested by the 3rd largest airforce in the world? Yeah, that's something 12 year old me would have drawn in the back of my math book. i would not want to be the guy in charge of AD right now.
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Getting real shades of Red Storm Rising here, as a low altitude raid on fuel storage tilts the war in favor of the defender against a Soviet army with logistics problems that is also facing massive armor losses.
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Cimber posted:i would not want to be the guy in charge of AD right now.
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Yeah, that flying was ridiculous, how do you light them up without destroying an apartment building
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Perun just did a one hour vid on reservists and irregulars in Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3fZQmMZ4kY if anyone is interested.
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stealie72 posted:Honestly asking: is there much that can be done vs pilots flying so low they might stub their toe? Doesn't matter. That guy is going to catch poo poo for making Putin look dumb. Remember what happened to the soviet marshal who's watch it was when whats his face landed his Cessna in Red Square?
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TBH after years of watching NATO aircraft operate thousands or tens of thousands of feet in the air, I thought it was literally some Michael Bay bullshit to think that helicopter and fighter jet pilots ever flew this close to the ground unless they were taking off, landing, or crashing.
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psydude posted:TBH after years of watching NATO aircraft operate thousands or tens of thousands of feet in the air, I thought it was literally some Michael Bay bullshit to think that helicopter and fighter jet pilots ever flew this close to the ground unless they were taking off, landing, or crashing. Let me introduce you to France: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4a8cczG5xY Notably, not flying in built up areas with power lines and not flying at twilight. And fixed wing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkX1tvgK6PA&t=48s Unknown how many road signs or hitch hikers they picked up. ETA: There's plenty of footage of USAF and USN aircraft flying low enough over water that they're kicking up a rooster tail. And I think the UK holds the record for lowest altitude attained with an F-35B, but that's out of scope. IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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IPCRESS posted:Let me introduce you to France: Oh I was always sure they practiced it/used it to show off, but I honestly never thought they'd do it over random terrain in the middle of a war.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If there's a single institutional takeaway from this war it's about how important actual maintenance procedures are. And funding/modernizing your logistics capabilities.
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not caring here posted:Yeah, that flying was ridiculous, how do you light them up without destroying an apartment building By not caring about said apartment building?
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psydude posted:Oh I was always sure they practiced it/used it to show off, but I honestly never thought they'd do it over random terrain in the middle of a war. That's the point of training, to have some experience when push comes to shove. If anything you'd take more risks during an actual war, since they really will shoot at you if you go high enough to get a lock, and you're trying to hit an objective with value, not just pretend. But you're still right to be kind of amazed. A deep penetration cross-border treetop twilight attack helicopter raid on enemy infrastructure? That's not capability and balls that the Ukrainians were expected to have. That kind of flying has only ever really been expected of the US or its closest allies. That kind of raid is insanely difficult to pull off and the fact that it looks like it was successful and both choppers made it back is crazy. This is seriously impressive. That's big-leagues training, mission planning, equipment and execution.
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psydude posted:Oh I was always sure they practiced it/used it to show off, but I honestly never thought they'd do it over random terrain in the middle of a war. I would think the time they'd use it the most would be during a war. I'm not that up to date on radar but I think nap of the earth still a valid way of staying undetected.
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Uncle Enzo posted:That's big-leagues training, mission planning, equipment and execution. I imagine the mapping and intel they were given for this was stupidly good. Like, "...and their radar operators had this for breakfast yesterday."
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psydude posted:Oh I was always sure they practiced it/used it to show off, but I honestly never thought they'd do it over random terrain in the middle of a war. US pilots die these days mostly from stuff like showboating in canyons. Too many of them grew up watching independence day, I guess.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If there's a single institutional takeaway from this war it's about how important actual maintenance procedures are. CommieGIR posted:And funding/modernizing your logistics capabilities. It's so wild how you can't look at a single thing that they actually did well in this war, down to an institutional level. Conquering Ukraine, or at least securing Kyiv, would never be easy. But it shouldn't have been this hard for Russia. I got a little overzealous in other threads when commenting on BTGs and armor, but I'm reading stuff by people who know a lot about Russia's government, or planes, or logistics (things that are beyond me), and all of them share this common sentiment that "I must be missing something, or is Russia really this bad at what they're trying to do?"
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:US pilots die these days mostly from stuff like showboating in canyons. Too many of them grew up watching independence day, I guess. https://youtu.be/Z4CiEWe3nZQ Some Gripens practicing valley flying during Cold Response 22. It's a good watch.
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My dad flew helicopters in Vietnam and then spent his remaining time as a flight instructor in the bay, flying around CA. He said he would fly under the bridges all the time until he hit a cable. Plenty of training flying into the mountains and going camping and when he was dating my mom he would hover over her house in her back yard. For instrument training he always used the cloud cover around Crissy field, above 100' or so its just a soup you either switch to instruments immediately or try to auger it. His story for the most scared he's ever been was when they were flying into an LZ with someone popping shots at them so the flight lead told him to pop up and circle until he got shot at and they could locate the guy.
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