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A.o.D. posted:There's no way Ukraine has enough crews. Like an Ender's Game situation?
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Operating tanks isn't that complicated, as far as the crews are concerned. I'd imagine keeping them maintained is the more difficult part. More important is a commander that is able to competently employ them. It's amazing how many examples there are of Russian tanks roaming about exposed and unsupported.
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Mustang posted:Operating tanks isn't that complicated, as far as the crews are concerned. I'd imagine keeping them maintained is the more difficult part. You'd be right: https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1510341553520361472
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Where has there been footage of a javelin kill? I haven’t seen one and I heard it’s been held back to avoid providing Russia with intelligence, due to the units operating them. I have seen an NLAW one though. Bit of an old post to reply to, but there's now actual combat footage of a Javelin versus a Russian tank. https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1510015312648888325 It's a one-for-one with the test footage from more than a decade ago. A Javelin means A Bad Day for an unsupported tanks.
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Bored As gently caress posted:I want the the Russians to loving bleed dry. After reading a kids diary of being trapped and watching their mom, dad, and uncle die with their younger sibling, and the rape reports from Mariupol where the oldest victim was ten and all had (spoilered because it’s horrible) rectal/vaginal tearing I want the modern Russian state dismantled/demilitarized (but with nukes that’s not happing), but I’ll settle for lots more Russians getting merked and the total humiliation of Russia continues. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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ArmyGroup303 posted:Bit of an old post to reply to, but there's now actual combat footage of a Javelin versus a Russian tank. It seems like Javelin is a bad day for even supported tanks. Good luck picking out the shooter from a mile and a half away.
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Apr 3, 2022 01:52
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kill me now posted:It seems like Javelin is a bad day for even supported tanks. Good luck picking out the shooter from a mile and a half away. Yeah, when that thing arcs, that vehicle “is already dead.” So in short, the javelin is basically Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star.
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Someone tut tutted at me a while back for posting a joke about Russian death charges against fixed German positions. Well, apparently they're doing it for real this time around. Russia launched a full-frontal assault against the line of contact, which is the fortified front in the Donbass, and which has Ukraine's best regular forces. The results were about as you'd expect. e: If the numbers below are accurate, that's almost an entire BTG worth of tanks, APCs, and artillery. Each BTG has 600-800 troops. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-2 quote:Subordinate main effort – Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts (Russian objective: Capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas) psydude fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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kill me now posted:It seems like Javelin is a bad day for even supported tanks. Good luck picking out the shooter from a mile and a half away. It's not just about picking out where it's being fired from, it's also not letting them get close to enough to use a javelin and using the terrain to your advantage. A tank isn't that easy to see through thermal optics when its in defilade with only it's optics visible.
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Mustang posted:It's not just about picking out where it's being fired from, it's also not letting them get close to enough to use a javelin and using the terrain to your advantage. A tank isn't that easy to see through thermal optics when its in defilade with only it's optics visible. 
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While Russian security has been pretty poo poo, any US service member who’s thinking “I would’ve simply found all the javelin shooters first and killed them” is full of poo poo.
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Apr 3, 2022 03:11
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ArmyGroup303 posted:Bit of an old post to reply to, but there's now actual combat footage of a Javelin versus a Russian tank. Saint Javelin protects.
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Apr 3, 2022 03:13
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mlmp08 posted:While Russian security has been pretty poo poo, any US service member who’s thinking “I would’ve simply found all the javelin shooters first and killed them” is full of poo poo. Who made that claim?
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My Hanzo Steel shall ensure that no Javelin reaches my tank.
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Mustang posted:Who made that claim? It’s just been the general tone online often. “Ah, I’d simply clear out all the enemy infantry with my infantry while tanks are out of ATGM range.” Ok, cool, so your infantry are out 2-5 km from every tank now… so what do the tanks even do in that case? Do donuts? Twitter warriors seem convinced that because their unit didn’t get blown apart (when facing RPG-7s in relatively open desert highways) that they’d bing bong so simple solve the ATGM threat of 2022 woodline and urban combat.
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Apr 3, 2022 03:20
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psydude posted:Someone tut tutted at me a while back for posting a joke about Russian death charges against fixed German positions. I don't know if it'd be worth it, and I suspect the reasoning is probably a lot stupider, but could these attacks be intended to simply fix the Ukrainians in place and keep them from moving or acting to head off a possible encirclement in the east?
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Apr 3, 2022 03:21
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mlmp08 posted:It’s just been the general tone online often. “Ah, I’d simply clear out all the enemy infantry with my infantry while tanks are out of ATGM range.” That might (certainly) be other forums, but I haven't seen that variety of dumb take here. This is the only Ukraine thread I read, only twitter I see is here, no social media, so maybe that's why I'm not seeing it in volume.
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mlmp08 posted:It’s just been the general tone online often. “Ah, I’d simply clear out all the enemy infantry with my infantry while tanks are out of ATGM range.” The Russians don't seem to be putting any effort into concealing their vehicles as there's plenty of videos of them driving down city streets and hanging out in wide open fields. They appear to be doing everything possible to make themselves sitting ducks to an army equipped with AT weapons like Javelins. I was an armor officer in a cavalry squadron, so I'm looking at this from a reconnaissance perspective that heavily favors using fancy optics to look at stuff. I'm also familiar with using the CLU/Javelin. Tanks and reconnaissance vehicles have fancy optics that can see much further than their weapons can reach and their speed lets them quickly move up or displace when the opportunity presents itself. It's certainly not American doctrine to have tanks as the most forward element in a brigade. Never said it was easy to avoid AT weapons but there are absolutely things they could be doing to mitigate that risk and have a less mangled vehicle fleet.
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Mustang posted:The Russians don't seem to be putting any effort into concealing their vehicles as there's plenty of videos of them driving down city streets and hanging out in wide open fields. They appear to be doing everything possible to make themselves sitting ducks to an army equipped with AT weapons like Javelins. how likely were those "captured" javs actually functioning units? Can they figure out how to use them easy? Could even a spent one still be useful for the optics or do the bats run out
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A CLU is easy to use, it's also a good passive optic without the Javelin. I doubt they would get much use out of it unless they were able to capture a bunch of missiles and the correct type of batteries as well. Kind of makes me wonder how capable other militaries are at maintaining sophisticated military hardware without the US's help.
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Alan Smithee posted:how likely were those "captured" javs actually functioning units? Can they figure out how to use them easy? Could even a spent one still be useful for the optics or do the bats run out I don’t doubt they got their dirty little mittens on a handful, but I’m guessing they found expended launch tubes here and there that they’re calling “captured”. These are utterly useless.
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Mustang posted:A CLU is easy to use, it's also a good passive optic without the Javelin. I doubt they would get much use out of it unless they were able to capture a bunch of missiles and the correct type of batteries as well. how long do the batts last? Can you charge them like any other kind? I'm really curious because I've never used one obv i want a javelin
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Apr 3, 2022 04:07
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Bet you $5 someone's figured out how to solder wires into a CLUs battery port in such a way to run it off of car batteries or something. Needing it functional tops needing it to be correct and efficient.
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ArmyGroup303 posted:Bit of an old post to reply to, but there's now actual combat footage of a Javelin versus a Russian tank. That is one very startled chicken.
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I'm waiting for Javelin trick shots like Modern Warfare 2. Dudes firing them up through elevator shafts and poo poo.
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If its just a simple 24v DC circuit or something it wouldn't require a lot of thought to do. Odds are its a common control voltage and it should take <5 min to look up a video and do if you have a power source, some strippers and wire.
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We used CLUs as makeshift thermals on OPs in Iraq. No tube just the CLU. They are rechargeable.
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McNally posted:I don't get it, didn't Russia give Ukraine enough tanks? Many of the farmers haven't handed them over. When the rasputitsa passes in a few weeks, they intend to really take the fight to the groundhog menace.
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Fearless posted:Many of the farmers haven't handed them over. When the rasputitsa passes in a few weeks, they intend to really take the fight to the groundhog menace. a time loop movie but the russians keep getting slammed by munitions over and over and dont learn anything
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Alan Smithee posted:a time loop movie but the russians keep getting slammed by munitions over and over and dont learn anything Isn't that already the case?
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Alan Smithee posted:a time loop movie but the russians keep getting slammed by munitions over and over and dont learn anything They're learning plenty. Washing machines are a two-man-carry and don't drink the groundwater in the exclusion zone.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:More pictures from bucha, NMS Those aren't tanks slated to be transferred, those are all the tanks in those countries. Yes, only Poland has any tanks to speak of, and yes Poland is the only one whose tanks probably work.
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IPCRESS posted:They're learning plenty. *Sonny & Cher's "I Got You Babe" plays on the alarm clock* conscript: "time to drink the groundwater again!"
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Mustang posted:Operating tanks isn't that complicated, as far as the crews are concerned. I'd imagine keeping them maintained is the more difficult part. As someone who went from 11b to 19k after my ankle went to poo poo M1A1's were laughably easy to learn. I think we actually worked 3 maybe 4 days out of the weeks of transitioning at Ft. Knox.
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The WSJ's reporting on the war has been pretty good. They've got a report up right now on the war crimes in Bucha: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukrainians-count-dead-dig-mass-graves-clear-land-mines-after-russian-pullback-11648970003?mod=hp_lead_pos7 The pictures are  , but necessary documentation of the atrocities the Russians exacted upon the civilians in the town.
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see its its stuff like that that gets my brain doing dumb poo poo like "oh they are warcriming, lets show them what a warcrime is" and then i have to go splash my face with water call myself a dumbass and just feel sad about it instead of suggesting dumb things
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I dunno, I think wiping out the entire male population of a town is pretty up there on the war crime scoreboard Has there been any indication of whether this was ordered or just a bloodthirsty pack of khornates?
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i dunno but ive been reading too much internet and my first thought that a flight of b1b's packed full of WP would be a measured response.
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