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As he famously said, always be a baby, don't ever be a gun that's my snipe and I'm sticking to it.
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Endjinneer posted:I thought this was quite interesting Glinner posted:These people, I thought, were my friends. They were saying they won't be able to get financiers for it unless I step away. I don't think that's true. I think the truth is that, like every other company, they are being ordered about by their under-35s who all seem to believe this s**t. That weird binary between "under-35s who all seem to believe this s**t" and "the adults finally enter the room". I know Glinner is no stranger to weird binaries, but like why 35? I'm older than that but I know people younger than that with doctorates in fields that I know very little about, or with completely different lived experiences to me, or who have lived in places and cultures different to my own, and why is that less valid? It just makes Glinner look even more like an old bigot with ossified brainworms who says "that's a very interesting thesis miss but I'm going to have to run it past Professor Fifty Year Old White Man Of A Different Department* before I'll consider it." *the professor was named by adoptive goblin parents
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Apr 2, 2022 20:58
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To go back to the caelan conrad videos again, they love infantilizing everyone who believes different. I would again link it to the same attitude that repeats "oh when you're older you'll be a tory" presumably until the subject expires at the age of 70 and the issue was they just never managed to get old enough. They think their position is right, and thus it must be a product of all the things that make you right, wisdom of old age, "as a parent", being rich, being famous, having a TV show, being in the government.
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Apr 2, 2022 21:19
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I'm going to say that's 2nd-order millennial slippage 1st order is "all young people are millennials" 2nd order is "all millennials are very young, even the 35-year-old ones" E: and what Owly said, if people don't change their views* as they get older, then they're not getting older properly *in the right direction. Moving further left as you learn more about how the world works doesn't count
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Apr 2, 2022 21:25
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Trickjaw posted:Thread, I need your help. I think I have just watched Johnny Cash singing 'Ghost Riders in the sky' on the Muppet Show. Have I had a stroke? If I'm going to to go, this seems oddly appropriate. I don't think you appreciate just how deeply weird the OG Muppet Show was. Cash's appearance was actually pretty straight by their standards - if that's making you doubt your sanity for god's sake don't look up Peter Sellers or Spike Milligan's appearances.
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therattle posted:You clearly haven’t googled “Johnny Cash Muppets Show” Reminder that Motorhead, among others, were on The Young Ones. Although Ace of Spades was clearly mimed and Lemmy didn't threaten Rick like Suggs did.
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Apr 2, 2022 21:33
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BizarroAzrael posted:Reminder that Motorhead, among others, were on The Young Ones. Although Ace of Spades was clearly mimed and Lemmy didn't threaten Rick like Suggs did. It was actually performed live (the only act on The Young Ones to do so) but they didn't mic it up properly and it sounded like poo poo, so they dubbed it over with a sound check track from a gig. You can actually hear the point where they transition from the live sound to the recording, just as the drums start up (Lemmy actually fucks up the opening bar of the intro because he wasn't expecting the cue, and you can hear the mains hum from the amps when Mike says "Music!" in the transition), and they also cut in the outro from another recording (you can hear the sudden change in the guitar sound and the edit isn't perfectly beat-matched). Oh and they completely hosed up the filming of the solos because Phil and Wurzel - in their first ever filmed appearance with the band - changed sides between the rehearsal and performance, so for the entire solo the cameras are focused on the guitarist not playing the solo. (Why yes, I will defend Motorhead - and The Young Ones, for that matter - with terminal intensity)
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Apr 2, 2022 21:48
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The best Muppets musical moment will always be Kermit doing Once In A Lifetime, including the choreography. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCY0aeUx-Ns
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OwlFancier posted:To go back to the caelan conrad videos again, they love infantilizing everyone who believes different. Bobstar posted:I'm going to say that's 2nd-order millennial slippage I don't believe that Glinner is anywhere near perceptive enough to pick that exact number, and you're right that he probably does mean millennials (who apparently have all the corporate decision making powers despite spending their house deposit on avocados) but yes it's definitely strange that the kids raised in a less bigoted way even for a short time are less bigoted on aggregate must be their fault and also terrible.
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Apr 2, 2022 22:13
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linehan is an angry, hateful weirdo, i don't think we need to over-analyse it
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Apr 2, 2022 22:34
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He is, but this one is yet another long term reason to hate Thatcher too.
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He is but he is that in a way that a lot of people are like that, and he expresses it in similar ways that a lot of slightly less angry hateful weirdos do it, so I think its worth drawing the line that links him with the slightly less deranged crowd.
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linehan says "i just can't quit you  " but here you is not a beautiful cowboy that he is in love with, it is instead harassing people on the World-Wide-Web
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crispix posted:Hunchback Shithouse Brokebrain Fountain (of shite)
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Trickjaw posted:Thread, I need your help. I think I have just watched Johnny Cash singing 'Ghost Riders in the sky' on the Muppet Show. Have I had a stroke? If I'm going to to go, this seems oddly appropriate. We had a record with him on singing "I'm Being Swallowed By A Boa Constrictor" when I was little. Johnny Cash gave no shits at all. 
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The corncobbing genuinely makes me smile. As ever more people go "no, gently caress off", he just keeps doubling down, forever, never self-reflecting.
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On a wildly different note, does anyone know of any good podcasts about Levrinty Beria/NKVD? I don't think Behind the Bastards has covered him yet but that's the kind of thing I'm interested in. We now return to Linechat.
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Lady Demelza posted:On a wildly different note, does anyone know of any good podcasts about Levrinty Beria/NKVD? I don't think Behind the Bastards has covered him yet but that's the kind of thing I'm interested in. Hello fellow behind the bastards fan. We just discovered it after we ran out of swindled. History of the cold war has an episode on him. As does evil men and biographics:history one life at a time. I've not listened to them yet though. Also thanks for all the input on ME/CFS goons. As it stands the ADHD meds have not been great with ridiculously poo poo come downs that either drove me to a very dark depression with lisdexamfetamine and made me nauseous if I so much as sniffed alcohol. Whereas methylphenidate gives me RAGE that I have to fight to control when I crash. I'm also in absolutely unreal full body and muscle pain, hypersensitive to light, sound and smell. The fucker with private is its so eye wateringly expensive (300 a month) the motivation to risk changing anything just isn't there as then its going to extend the duration i have to be with them.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It was actually performed live (the only act on The Young Ones to do so) but they didn't mic it up properly and it sounded like poo poo, so they dubbed it over with a sound check track from a gig. You can actually hear the point where they transition from the live sound to the recording, just as the drums start up (Lemmy actually fucks up the opening bar of the intro because he wasn't expecting the cue, and you can hear the mains hum from the amps when Mike says "Music!" in the transition), and they also cut in the outro from another recording (you can hear the sudden change in the guitar sound and the edit isn't perfectly beat-matched). It looked better than when they did Wrestlemania to be fair
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BizarroAzrael posted:It looked better than when they did Wrestlemania to be fair didn't they do the first verse of the song twice?
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Johnny Cash is in an episode of Columbo and it's not a bad one.
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Wales dwellers: Consultation on buses in Wales. https://gov.wales/one-network-one-timetable-one-ticket-planning-buses-public-service-wales Consultation ends 24th June.
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Julio Cruz posted:didn't they do the first verse of the song twice? I don't think Lemmy remembered any of it
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OwlFancier posted:Also I think why it is often comorbid with "I was cool in the 90's" style progressivisim where you weren't actually that clever or interested but you were vaguely aware that saying "I would actually not spit on a gay person if I saw them in the street" was the height of counterculture and now society has moved on and you're just a sad old liberal with a spent creative output and even your pile of money can't make you feel cool again, and for some reason you can't just buy a porsche and crash it like a normal person. See also Joss Whedon. They're used to getting cookies for doing the bare minimum and don't understand why they stopped getting credit for it. Runcible Cat posted:We had a record with him on singing "I'm Being Swallowed By A Boa Constrictor" when I was little. Johnny Cash gave no shits at all. Had to wonder if Cash would more fondly remember performing at a prison or on The Muppet Show. And of course most under-35s probably know him for the one who did a cover of a Nine Inch Nails song that even Reznor admits was so much better than the original.
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ITS EMPIRE OF poo poo JOHNNY, NOT DIRT Excellent song, but that always got me.
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I preferred "Empire of Poop"" in the Weird Al version. E: really they all should have just cut out the pretence and referred directly to the British Empire
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happyhippy posted:ITS EMPIRE OF poo poo JOHNNY, NOT DIRT poo poo doesn't rhyme with hurt
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Rhyming is for cowards anyway
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I just went and checked, it's not empire of poo poo, you're thinking of how he changed "crown of poo poo" to "crown of thorns"
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Reznor is wrong, the original is so much better. He was just trying to be a nice guy making an old man feed good about his little cover.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It was actually performed live (the only act on The Young Ones to do so) but they didn't mic it up properly and it sounded like poo poo, so they dubbed it over with a sound check track from a gig. You can actually hear the point where they transition from the live sound to the recording, just as the drums start up (Lemmy actually fucks up the opening bar of the intro because he wasn't expecting the cue, and you can hear the mains hum from the amps when Mike says "Music!" in the transition), and they also cut in the outro from another recording (you can hear the sudden change in the guitar sound and the edit isn't perfectly beat-matched). Shamefacedly have to admit a mistake here having decided to binge The Young Ones after this post - Motorhead *weren't* the only act to perform live; John Otway performed "Body Talk" live on "Summer Holiday". I think the fan site I got that fact from were deliberately confusing "act" with "band" (for that matter the lion tamer in "Flood" was also technically "live", but I've no idea if he was actually in the studio - seems unlikely).
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stev posted:Reznor is wrong, the original is so much better. He was just trying to be a nice guy making an old man feed good about his little cover. Nah NIN suck
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Apr 3, 2022 11:25
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Just like how the original Tears for Fears Mad World is so much better than the Gary Jules version, NIN Hurt is much better than Cash's one.
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One of the things I really like about Hurt is how the meaning of the song changes depending on the singer, despite the same lyrics. Trent Reznor is singing about drug abuse and depression compounding on each other to ruin his life, Cash is singing about the horror of losing your identity and very life to old age. A similar song like that is House of the Rising Sun, the version sung by the Animals is easily read to be about the patron of the House, which could be a brothel, gambling house, or opium den (or all three). But when sung by a woman (as was common in older folk versions), there’s an implication is that the singer works at the House, which is more clearly a brothel. “There is a house in New Orleans, they call the rising sun And it’s been the ruin of many a poor girl, And god, I know I’m one”
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Apr 3, 2022 11:33
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I thought the Cash version was about alcoholism. House of the Rising Sun is one of those songs I'm familiar with and understand about three words of the lyrics of.
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Aphex- posted:Just like how the original Tears for Fears Mad World is so much better than the Gary Jules version, NIN Hurt is much better than Cash's one. I like a good cover, both of the examples above are amazing & I can totally understand enjoying them more than the original even when the original clearly has more artistic merit, but if you didn't know the original so well the cover versions wouldn't hold up as well in isolation.
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I heard the Cash version of Hurt first and it's a hundred times better.
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If you just don't like NIN I think that might be a "you" problem Pretty Hate Machine & Downward Spiral are both fantastic albums, very few artists have got more than one really good album in them. Also Reznor's just a very talented producer in general (e: also he's about the only musician of that scene & era who I never heard do a homophobia, think he's generally supposed to be pretty decent?)
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It seems fairly clear from the thread. NIИ version: bangs. Cash version: slaps. I will not be taking additional questions at this time.
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