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McSpanky posted:No but there's something wrong with finding anything to be optimistic about in those trailers Anson Mount’s presence does a lot, based off his sheer charisma from season 2.
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McSpanky posted:No but there's something wrong with finding anything to be optimistic about in those trailers Am I misreading this, or are you saying that the trailers are so universally and objectively terrible that anyone watching them and coming away feeling optimistic has something wrong with them?
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blastron posted:Am I misreading this, or are you saying that the trailers are so universally and objectively terrible that anyone watching them and coming away feeling optimistic has something wrong with them? We've gone about 48 hours since the last episode of new Star Trek aired, so it's once again Weird Trek Takes o'clock until 12:00AM PST Thursday rolls around again.
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Apr 3, 2022 01:53
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I like that we may see the Tholians again
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The_Doctor posted:Anson Mount’s presence does a lot, based off his sheer charisma from season 2. The TOS fanfare and his presence are literally the only things that have caused any positive reaction in me so far. And they sure seem to working hard at souring the latter with this inane future knowledge plot. blastron posted:Am I misreading this, or are you saying that the trailers are so universally and objectively terrible that anyone watching them and coming away feeling optimistic has something wrong with them? lol yes exactly
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Apr 3, 2022 01:57
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oof, yeah i had forgotten pike knows about his future from his disco stint
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Sucks for Pike that they can make a robot body for Airiam but Pike has a beep-ful wheelchair future.
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I’m enjoying this so much. https://twitter.com/discoepisodes/status/1510425435699617803
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blastron posted:Am I misreading this, or are you saying that the trailers are so universally and objectively terrible that anyone watching them and coming away feeling optimistic has something wrong with them? They are going to hate it no matter what but still tune in week after week and post about how bad it is that they didn't spell out minor plot point in the script
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Apr 3, 2022 02:21
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Here's a compilation of all the teasers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En4-2Qi_J_8
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Tiberius Christ posted:Here's a compilation of all the teasers Honestly, my standards are so low after Discovery that it's enough to merely see that they are making some kind of effort to have a cast of characters with a variety of defined traits and names and roles. It's at least possible they're heading in a good direction. Also the uniforms are colorful and fun. To me it seems like they've learned a few lessons from early Disco. Also I'm a big Andorian fan ever since Enterprise and the Aenar dude seems like a huge rear end in a top hat so that could be fun.
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Apr 3, 2022 02:38
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I'm gonna watch this new Star Trek because I've watched all the other Star Trek and liked most, but not all, of it. I also wanna know what the deal with the horses are.
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Apr 3, 2022 02:41
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here's a question: I understand their systems are down so I assume the replicator is as well so they couldn't give themselves money or documents. But if they can hack a police computer so easily why not just add Rios in as a citizen with a fake name and other fake stuff then remove him from the system after? I understand they don't want to mess with the timeline but extenuating circumstances. maybe that's what they do. I haven't finished the ep yet. I'm just wondering. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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pik_d posted:I also wanna know what the deal with the horses are. Can't have Anson without a Mount
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Cranappleberry posted:here's a question: I understand their systems are down so I assume the replicator is as well so they couldn't give themselves money or documents. But if they can hack a police computer so easily why not just add Rios in as a citizen with a fake name and other fake stuff then remove him from the system after? ICE in real life has deported actual citizens lol. I don't think "whoopsie this guy is actually in the computer" would have made them bring him back
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XboxPants posted:Honestly, my standards are so low after Discovery that it's enough to merely see that they are making some kind of effort to have a cast of characters with a variety of defined traits and names and roles. It's at least possible they're heading in a good direction. Also the uniforms are colorful and fun. To me it seems like they've learned a few lessons from early Disco. It also looks like they've finally got their starship porn figured out, there's some really nice, clear (!) shots of the Enterprise and other ships and stations and various space vistas in there, not really seeing as much of the weird motion blurs and blue-white colour grading that's plagued Disco from the start
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Charity Porno posted:ICE in real life has deported actual citizens lol. I don't think "whoopsie this guy is actually in the computer" would have made them bring him back Hey thread, guess what the common denominator is for citizens deported by ICE!
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Drink-Mix Man posted:There's no time travel required, she just lives a long time so Laris has been this same Supervisor the whole time, who first met Picard in the 21st century. Who left her Supervisor role and became a Romulan Tal Shiar for most of her new life and married Gumbo.
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MariusLecter posted:Hey thread, guess what the common denominator is for citizens deported by ICE! Did they actually spell it out in the episode because otherwise no one is gonna get it
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Apr 3, 2022 02:56
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Charity Porno posted:ICE in real life has deported actual citizens lol. I don't think "whoopsie this guy is actually in the computer" would have made them bring him back Oh I know. They're evil. I'm just asking why this wasn't considered at all as a solution. Or perhaps making him an important dignitary.
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Charity Porno posted:Did they actually spell it out in the episode because otherwise no one is gonna get it Everyone was speaking spanish.
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Cojawfee posted:Everyone was speaking spanish. Turn off your SAP setting
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whereas breaking into a police car that was likely alarmed with no further plan other than hack a computer to get the location, then stealing the car and hoping to get the transporters back online with no engineering staff but a single scientist after attracting a ton of police attention. And for sure there were cameras outside the station. I realize time is of the essence here but no attempt to work through the problem. No considering other options like Seven wanted to. Seven can't drive well. What if someone had died during the chase? That'd gently caress up the timeline, too. Also the characters themselves have limited knowledge of ICE and what ICE does. The audience does but the characters don't. It's ironic. They don't realize he wasn't taken by the LAPD or that he is going to be deported until the dude tells them. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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All trailers for SNW look really good and I’m excited.
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Charity Porno posted:ICE in real life has deported actual citizens lol. I don't think "whoopsie this guy is actually in the computer" would have made them bring him back ICE is absurdly evil and even the depiction they've had on the show is mild compared to reality. Just a few miles away from where I live in PA, they operate a "Family Residential Center" that is surely not a concentration camp at all. They keep small children separated from their families for years at a time in horrific, abusive conditions that no one really ever sees, because they're not citizens so it doesn't matter. COVID has been a fun bonus, too. Luckily the Biden administration is converting a nearby local prison into a for-profit detention center this year so that should make things so, so much better. I know this is a tangent but gently caress ICE so much and it's really cathartic to see a mainstream show openly depict them as villains.
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Picard’s violence against cops is cool and good.
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Seven really should have accepted some of Paris's invites to his driving holodeck programs
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HD DAD posted:Picard’s violence against cops is cool and good. Indeed. Security guards at the Sanctuary Districts were depicted as regular working stiffs but it bordered on depicting them as villainous in their roles as guards. It copped out, showing them more as cogs in a broken system rather than abuses such guards often engage in. Other security forces have been depicted as evil and even starfleet was on the wrong side of removing the Native Americans from their colony.
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HD DAD posted:Picard’s violence against cops is cool and good.  I love how even literally Picard himself didn't seem at all bothered by the fact that the rest of the Time Idiots were hauling what was possibly the corpse of a cop off of his ship. Even Jean-Luc Picard knows all cops are bastards.
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Cranappleberry posted:whereas breaking into a police car that was likely alarmed with no further plan other than hack a computer to get the location, then stealing the car and hoping to get the transporters back online with no engineering staff but a single scientist after attracting a ton of police attention. And for sure there were cameras outside the station. Because Raffi is bad and should not be in Starfleet. For instance, in the latest episode, she was going to shoot the ICE bus or something until Seven got her to calm down. She's half a step away from going on a full Homer-with-a-toaster-time-machine rampage.  Also, it really needs to be said - their single scientist is someone who spent her life working on robots. But we see in season 1, they left a dying man in her care because why wouldn't a robot scientist know everything about medicine. And now they're doing it with the transporter.
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Penitent posted:
Until the Grand Nagus presents the bill for all those weapons.
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pik_d posted:I'm gonna watch this new Star Trek because I've watched all the other Star Trek and liked most, but not all, of it. I also wanna know what the deal with the horses are. I assume it's just because in the original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike, Pike was really into horse riding. I'm kind of more interested that they have Dr. M'Benga as Chief Medical Officer instead of Boyce, because M'Benga shows up in TOS as a doctor on the Enterprise (and their specialist on Vulcan medicine). So I'm wondering how he lost the CMO position to Bones, or if they're ever going to bring that up.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Because Raffi is bad and should not be in Starfleet. yeah this is where I'm at. Raffi is a loose cannon and I am okay with that as her character arc because she's had a rough life (no rougher than many in star fleet except the ruined career part) and lost someone but it's clear the death of Samurai Ninja Warrior Romulan has affected her to the point of endangering the mission and the others. I look at how Star Trek has handled that in the past, with starfleet officers and their commanders soldiering on and dealing with grief when they have time (often to avoid showing it on screen) but if someone was acting like Raffi they'd be removed. Then again, Sisko was literally killing himself and being completely insane during his vision experience and he wasn't removed from command. The scientist thing bugs me. Suspension of disbelief and all but they need an engineer. I also like how Brent Spiner is back. I don't need Data as a character to be in the show. Him having roles is enough for me.
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Epicurius posted:I assume it's just because in the original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike, Pike was really into horse riding. I'm kind of more interested that they have Dr. M'Benga as Chief Medical Officer instead of Boyce, because M'Benga shows up in TOS as a doctor on the Enterprise (and their specialist on Vulcan medicine). So I'm wondering how he lost the CMO position to Bones, or if they're ever going to bring that up. Cranappleberry posted:here's a question: I understand their systems are down so I assume the replicator is as well so they couldn't give themselves money or documents. But if they can hack a police computer so easily why not just add Rios in as a citizen with a fake name and other fake stuff then remove him from the system after?
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Knormal posted:Just consider Discovery and its spinoffs a separate universe. There's no way to reconcile the stuff they're doing with classic Trek. I'm getting super nitpicky here so I don't expect the writers to have thought about it this much. The way things are "connected" does not give police access to ICE software or databases, even in read-only form. For sharing of that sort of information, they'd need a fusion center and most officers would have to call ICE or try to get DHS records to find those with an immigration history. Now, ICE does have access to a lot of regional information and programs but what they choose to share with police varies. Sometimes they cooperate with local authorities, maybe giving lists or access to certain less secure databases specifically for information sharing (this would be for their contracts program and the like, which is horrifying), other times they go around them entirely. The police wouldn't be able to see updates on his status like that in real time. I guess maybe that database could lead to an ICE network and then to a more complete up-to-date database. To resolve it, I'll just say suspension of disbelief and agree that it's future technology. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Knormal posted:Just consider Discovery and its spinoffs a separate universe. There's no way to reconcile the stuff they're doing with classic Trek. Counterargument for argument's sake: that's like asking a modern programmer to do something by COBOL commands. Or honestly, more like asking them to make a program for a Babbage Difference Engine. 21st century computers are wildly ancient devices that probably have just about zero similarities to Star Trek computers
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Scottie managed to synthesize Transparent Aluminum on a DOS computer. Suck it up, Frances.
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pik_d posted:I'm gonna watch this new Star Trek because I've watched all the other Star Trek and liked most, but not all, of it. I also wanna know what the deal with the horses are.
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Star Trek has been pretty consistent in depicting computers as completely interoperable no matter where or when they came from. In Future’s End, Janeway was able to steal Cronowerx’s entire database by vaguely waving a tricorder at a desktop computer. At least Picard has the decency to lampshade this by having Jurati say that she’d taken a “primitive software” class in school.
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