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DicktheCat posted:I thought only the.... red? Green? Ones hated men? They were by colors, I recall that. The Red super hated men and was the group that liked to hunt them down. I was making a glib joke about how that's how they were perceived in the world basically (and probably meant to be perceived out of universe) because it was a group of only women who had great power. Robert Jordan got a little weird about this sort of thing. He loved his gender-separation to the point that it very much overwhelmed his supposed message that men and women should actually talk to each other and stop being sexist. Like both genders had huge caricatures and it'd seem like something for Robert Jordan to easily knock down to score Morality Points but often he'd actually just having them act like the other side dismissively claims they act like. This generally painted the women in a worse light pretty much all the time since they also blatantly had all the negative traits that they accused men of having.
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precision posted:everyone in the wheel of time books under the age of 40 is an enormous dumbass, and everyone over 40 is cool and awesome and never wrong, regardless of gender It doesn't help that it feels like there was a lot of retconning of ages as the books went on. Like I wonder if a lot more time was suppose in the series, rather than everything happening in less than a year. Like the prophecy that was in the... first book perhaps? It's been a while... of Rand getting a harem of hot women and them all having his babies probably seemed fine when it was going to happen years later, even if Rand at the time was presented as being a dumb young kid, but something had to be changed when Jordan realized there wasn't going to be a time skip. Since none of the main characters read like they are in their early to late twenties in the books.
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When I found out Robert Jordan was a big Conan guy, he wrote Conan novels before WoT and authored one of the major chronologies of Conan stories, it made a lot of sense to me. A lot of his writing and culture stuff is like a non-racist, non-incel version of Howard's.
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Kchama posted:It doesn't help that it feels like there was a lot of retconning of ages as the books went on. Like I wonder if a lot more time was suppose in the series, rather than everything happening in less than a year. Like the prophecy that was in the... first book perhaps? It's been a while... of Rand getting a harem of hot women and them all having his babies probably seemed fine when it was going to happen years later, even if Rand at the time was presented as being a dumb young kid, but something had to be changed when Jordan realized there wasn't going to be a time skip. Since none of the main characters read like they are in their early to late twenties in the books. oh for sure. like you can tell that the original plan was somehow that Rand would be like 50 years old at the end
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BattleMaster posted:There's a genre in Japan called "Replays" which are transcripts of game sessions. They include out of character discussion, table talk, mechanical discussion, as well as the actual in-character stuff and GM narration. I've never read one but I can imagine those being interesting, sort of like the online streaming "Actual Play" genre but at a lower tech level. gently caress that sounds horrible
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ChubbyChecker posted:gently caress that sounds horrible Which part? Replays, LitRPG, or both? Because I can at least sort of see the appeal of replays, since you can live vicariously through them, but LitRPG is just an entire genre of authors not understanding what is meant by fiction needing to consistently follow its own rules.
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Kchama posted:It wasn't a straight copy but it was still a very transparent and shameless ripoff. he was a late teenager. i meant the coming of age story like at the start he was an idiot teen, but later he started to face his responsibilities. the tolkien ripoff stuff was mainly in the first book, and the author said that it was done on purpose so that the readers would feel more familiar. later books weren't tolkieny DicktheCat posted:Part of why I did fall off the wagon was that I could see where it was going, the male half of magic was sick, but more powerful. the only character that was something like non binary was a man whose soul satan put in a woman's body precision posted:oh for sure. like you can tell that the original plan was somehow that Rand would be like 50 years old at the end the original main protagonist was the dad who was a war vet just like jimbo the author the protagonist was also split partly to the other two main young guys. the author also made a gibberish word in his made up language to describe them which meant something like 'protagonist' main women characters were added for marketing reasons jimbo was also a freemason and the books had a freemason fantasy race ChubbyChecker fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Mar 31, 2022 |
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ChubbyChecker posted:he was a late teenager. i meant the coming of age story like at the start he was an idiot teen, but later he started to face his responsibilities. the tolkien ripoff stuff was mainly in the first book, and the author said that it was done on purpose so that the readers would feel more familiar. later books weren't tolkieny The later books specify he was 20 years old in the first book. The boys are 20, Egwene is 18, and Nynaeve is 25. The entire series takes place over 998 to 1000. Frodo, Merry, and Pippin are born in 978. Excuse me, Rand, Matt, and Perry. Which puts him in the awkward spot of being a bit too old for a coming of age story but also acting way too young for his age. Also yes, I specifically said that it was the first book was a shameless Tolkien ripoff, cuz it was, and it being explicitly on purpose is part of the shamelessness. Kchama fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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The Moon Monster posted:I don't remember the actual frequency, but the books are definitely proponents of wife spanking a la old timey western movies. There was also a bunch of frat-boy hazing style stuff involved in the ceremonies and punishments of the worlds various magical societies. I mean to be fair, lots of real-world mystery cults had frat-boy style hazing. The rest... yeah.
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:what was the other? It was schlocky as hell and I needed an especially large crane to suspend my disbelief about the whole drat thing. But it was also written very well (to my 19-year-old eyes) and impressively fast-paced. The Deathstar turning towards re-entry was a genuinely surprising moment, and throughout the whole book there were plenty of car chases, aerial dogfights, sneaky spy/saboteur scenes, and (this is most important) lots and lots of sex. I wish I could remember the author, or the title, or anything else about the book.
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Kchama posted:It doesn't help that it feels like there was a lot of retconning of ages as the books went on. Like I wonder if a lot more time was suppose in the series, rather than everything happening in less than a year. Like the prophecy that was in the... first book perhaps? It's been a while... of Rand getting a harem of hot women and them all having his babies probably seemed fine when it was going to happen years later, even if Rand at the time was presented as being a dumb young kid, but something had to be changed when Jordan realized there wasn't going to be a time skip. Since none of the main characters read like they are in their early to late twenties in the books. When I first read your post, I interpreted “ages” as the cycles of ages in the wheel timeline. Which reminds me of my initial thoughts of the series when I was on book 2 or 3. I thought the series was going to span much more time, possibly multiple ages. And because everyone is always talking about ages repeating, the “Final Battle” actually happens every full cycle. In the prior age, the male source is always tainted, the next age it is always cleansed, and everyone thinks they beat the game. But ages repeat and it cycles again. I thought this was a cool concept, with the heroes thinking they’ve saved the world only to realize that it’ll all just happen again. But then, no… the last battle IS actually the last battle. And then I got exhausted at all of the braid tugging and bottom spanking and finished the series under the sunk cost fallacy. edit: spelling Dremcon fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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Dremcon posted:When I first read your post, I interpreted “ages” as the cycles of ages in the wheel timeline. Which reminds me of my initial thoughts of the series when I was on book 2 or 3. TBF the first few books say that explicitly, and uh spoilers for a 20+ year old book I guess IIRC in the Great Hunt when Randy uses Type #2 precursor teleportation and they spend months wandering alternate lives IIRC that sort of went out the window after The Dragon Reborn; something happened (that I don't remember) which signaled that This Time was the real Last Time.
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Vampire Panties posted:TBF the first few books say that explicitly, and uh spoilers for a 20+ year old book I guess IIRC in the Great Hunt when Randy uses Type #2 precursor teleportation and they spend months wandering alternate lives No, the Final Battle happens every time and it resets the cycle. This cycle is no exception.
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I'd argue it doesn't belong in this kind of novel, but writers keep writing these scenes and I suppose the bottom spanking shouldn't really be a surprise
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Someone brought up the Shannara series and even as a kid a bunch of those books felt like there were chunks that were just random battles from an RPG. Like, they're walking through a ruin and bam! A cyborg-cat pops out! And Allanon kills it with magic. Then at the next ruin, a different monster pops out, and Allanon kills it.
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Empty Sandwich posted:after all, there wouldn't be a top spanking Clearly not reading much gay fantasy, are we?
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One More Fat Nerd posted:Someone brought up the Shannara series and even as a kid a bunch of those books felt like there were chunks that were just random battles from an RPG. Like, they're walking through a ruin and bam! A cyborg-cat pops out! And Allanon kills it with magic. Then at the next ruin, a different monster pops out, and Allanon kills it. Brooks does have an inordinate fondness for enormous cyborg-centipedes. tbf it's an under-explored niche in fantasy, but he goes back to that specific well like six times
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ExecuDork posted:A pulp sci-fi formerly-two-volumes-now-one-900-page-monster probably written in the late 70's or early 80's by some author I can't remember. The whole thing is set a couple of centuries in the future. In book 1, the protagonists gradually learn that a large number of Nazi scientists and politicians escaped from Germany at the end of WWII and launched into space, and established a colony somewhere. I can't remember exactly where, but among Jupiter's moons is the leading contender in my memory. In book 2, the descendants of said space-Nazis return to Earth and try to invade and Take Over The World! The Space-Nazi strategy is basically a Deathstar, but instead of detonating Alderaan they're going to land the fucker in the Atlantic ocean and unleash many, many Stormtroopers. You know, as is the obvious strategy in these kinds of things. Oooh, this sounds familiar. Except the way I remember it, it wasn't Earth but some colony planet (mainly colonized by Finnish people?) and I think the Space Nazis weren't OG Nazis but some kind of neo-Nazi revival movement. I kind of want to say early Kevin J Anderson, but that could be wrong and he's shat out so many books it's hard to find a complete list even on the Internet.
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i like how wheel of time has at least three Gandalfs, and one of them is "what if Gandalf was sassy"
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super sweet best pal posted:Gandalf was sassy. that was like his most defining feature
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Empty Sandwich posted:after all, there wouldn't be a top spanking There absolutely is top spanking, if you're a power bottom and your top is that kind of submissive!
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When Robert Jordan was still writing we were in danger of reaching Peak Spanking, when the number of pages spent dealing with the character consequences of spankings became greater than the number of pages between incidents of spanking.
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I remember reading several Thieves' World anthologies back in the '80s. The ones I recall all involved a pretty generic fantasy city that was Fantasy-Beirut at the height of the civil war. And an ongoing joke that you could tell the mercenaries from everyone else because they were the ones sitting with their backs to the wall. Every time someone walked into a bar, this was the first comment. The series I knew ended in '89 but got restarted in 2002. Did it actually change with the real world times? Because now I'm wondering what fantasy stories we're going to get after the war in Ukraine. Lots of old farmers stealing dragon eggs in their carts and old witches destroying entire fantasy armies with curses on their supply lines. Come to think of it. that sounds like a lot of the Dragonlance short stories. Ahead of their time huh.
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Atopian posted:When Robert Jordan was still writing we were in danger of reaching Peak Spanking, when the number of pages spent dealing with the character consequences of spankings became greater than the number of pages between incidents of spanking. when he found out that his disease was terminal he absolutely increased spankings in the books
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ChubbyChecker posted:when he found out that his disease was terminal he absolutely increased spankings in the books A man panics when his time becomes more precious.
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ChubbyChecker posted:when he found out that his disease was terminal he absolutely increased spankings in the books As I said before, he made sure that spanking scenes were written and waiting for Sanderson.
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Deptfordx posted:The super-Mormon Sanderson doesn't really do sex in his books, right? Generally not, no.
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He kinda implies it a few times but anything vaguely sexual just kinda gets the fade to black treatment. His characters are definitely boning it just doesn't come up.
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i saw some youtube commercial that was just brandon sanderson talking, and you know, i gave the man time, but after 2 literal minutes he still hadn't got to the fuckin point so i clicked skip he just kept saying "i wrote a SECRET book" then "i wrote ANOTHER secret book" and again but he didn't give ANY indication of why i should give a gently caress or what they concerned or ANYTHING lmao it was a very bad commercial. if i give you 2 minutes you should be giving me some info
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They called the solemn knights the Knights of Solamnia.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I started reading Imajica. I’m two chapters in and there’s a shitload of footnotes that are utterly loving bizarre, so I have a feeling it’s going to go loving nuts asap. Atopian posted:Imajica is... quite a thing. Oh I'm so glad someone else has read this. Its such an oddity, sort of early take on urban fantasy plus combined with some weird sex stuff (I know they go hand in hand now but this seems like an early example?). Then portals into a non traditional fantasy world. Heavy on the FEMALE SPIRIT VS MALE SPIRIT stuff but with what is sort of a intersex character to mediate it. Also a female character who always makes the wrong decision at any possible moment, even when it directly contradicts her earlier actions and views.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Oh I'm so glad someone else has read this. Its such an oddity, sort of early take on urban fantasy plus combined with some weird sex stuff (I know they go hand in hand now but this seems like an early example?). Then portals into a non traditional fantasy world. Heavy on the FEMALE SPIRIT VS MALE SPIRIT stuff but with what is sort of a intersex character to mediate it. Reading about the author can be more entertaining than some books.
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Yeah I think he thinks that if he has the intersex character say to the male protag who is literally the second coming of Jesus things like “you are right, bitches be crazy” then it’s an insightful reflection on the duality of gender instead of just the author being sexist.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Yeah I think he thinks that if he has the intersex character say to the male protag who is literally the second coming of Jesus things like “you are right, bitches be crazy” then it’s an insightful reflection on the duality of gender instead of just the author being sexist. For a second I thought this was still about Wheel of Time (because the spoiled thing is... correct to WoT too) and was like "Hold on Robert Jordan wouldn't allow for an intersex character."
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