Booky posted:

-i liked the mc of su and thought he was p interesting instead of boring + i generally Really Liked the show (it seemed like one of the hosts really Hated it?)

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Batman is such a wacky comic. It's dark and brooding and batman is sad he can't save his parents and use his vast wealth to solve crime forever but in another panel of another comic he has a villain who turns into an orca and her corpse is found floating in sewer water like Ophelia depicted by Millais

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Batman is such a wacky comic. It's dark and brooding and batman is sad he can't save his parents and use his vast wealth to solve crime forever but in another panel of another comic he has a villain who turns into an orca and her corpse is found floating in sewer water like Ophelia depicted by Millais

Max Wilco posted:

Goddamn it. I wanted to watch that video.

Well, maybe if we're lucky, someone downloaded it and uploaded it to the Internet Archive.

Genthil posted:

I didn't watch the video but I know at least one of them is part of SU Critical, a community made up of very online cartoon understanders from Tumblr and Reddit, so I'm not surprised they would believe that. Aside from that I agree with you, Steven owns.

Max Wilco posted:

I think Batman does put the Joker in jail, it's just that later the Joker breaks out.

The forest-for-the-trees point here is that, while you could feasibly come up with reasons why the Joker should or could die, the reason he doesn't is because Batman vs Joker stories are popular. If you kill him off, you can't write those stories (I mean you could engineer some plotline where someone resurrects the Joker, and I'm sure something like that has happened). It's like what Stan Lee said about the superhero power level argument: the person who wins in a fight is the character the author wants to win.

I think it also hits onto the point that fiction is not representative of actual reality.

Genthil posted:

I didn't watch the video but I know at least one of them is part of SU Critical, a community made up of very online cartoon understanders from Tumblr and Reddit, so I'm not surprised they would believe that. Aside from that I agree with you, Steven owns.

SteelMentor posted:

Reading the words "SU Critical" just sent a wave of flight or flight washing over me. Good lord what a virulent strain of brainworms that scene is.

Was always fun logging in the morning after a new episode dropped to find a melange of gif sets and the most unhinged takes you could imagine about any media ever battling for supremacy on the dash.

Puppy Time posted:

He has a series of videos detailing his problems with the show, which I haven't watched so I can't say anything about the level of onlineness in his opinions there, but both seem pretty level-headed on the whole. My impression from the occasional times it's come up is that he just doesn't think it's well-written.

Ibblebibble posted:

As someone who's actually finished the Jack Chaosmans game the writing is actually surprisingly good, along with the voice acting. They frontload a lot of the memetastic stuff but it actually gets explained later in a decently satisfying way and there's a good emotional core to the whole storyline.

Terrible Opinions posted:

Though this does hit on another problem that death is no more difficult to escape in comic book fiction than Arkham asylum. Hasn't the Joker himself died like half a dozen or more times in mainline continuity, or at least appeared to die even if it turned out to be a clone/robot/imposter later.

Edge & Christian posted:

Three Jokers started when Geoff Johns did a big thing where Batman got a magic knowledge chair and asked it the true identity of the Joker. The chair was like "which one, there are three of them!" And Batman was shocked. Then Geoff Johns went off to work on DC films for a few years and Batman forgot about it until Geoff Johns came back.

Three Jokers the comic starts off with Three Joker Imposters getting killed while the Joker seems to be committing other murder-crimes in three different places. Everyone is very confused, but the reveal is that there are THREE JOKERS
Joker #1 - THE CRIMINAL - Modeled after Joker's first appearance in 1940
Joker #2 - THE CLOWN - Modeled after Joker from 1988's Death in the Family story (he killed Jason Todd!)
Joker #3 - THE COMEDIAN - Modeled after Joker from 1988's The Killing Joke (he crippled Barbara Gordon!)

Now granted, this left up in the air which Joker was Jokering in comics published between 1942-1987 and also comics from 1989-2020, and also chronologically Joker #3 appeared before Joker #2 in terms of "iconic moments" but that I supposed was left as a fun exercise for the reader! The Three Jokers decide the best thing to do would be to make even more Jokers so they kidnap a bunch of people and Jokerize them but before they can do that, Jason Todd captures and kills the Clown, so almost immediately there are only Two Jokers. But they make a bunch more Jokers and try to make Jason Todd into a Joker and finally their big plan is to make Joe Chill a Joker, because if Joe Chill is a Joker then the Joker killed Batman's parents. But the Bat Team stops it from happening, and Joker #3 shoots and kills Joker #1 and surrenders to be taken back to Arkham Asylum.

And then the big twist was that Batman knew who the Joker was all along, he figured it out "one week after we first met." The Killing Joke Joker was the real one, and Batman snuck his wife and kid from that particular origin story out to Alaska, faked their deaths, and has been secretly supporting them all along.

So there's still only one Joker left if they want to make the story canon as originally intended.

The two Batmen currently are Bruce Wayne and Tim/Jayce Fox, Lucius Fox's son who was mentioned like three times in the 1970s and was off working for a PMC in Asia or something for the past X years and was shown to be Batman in the future, then they showed him coming back to become Batman later, and now he is the Batman of New York City. Tim Fox is NOT Luke Fox, who was previously Batwing, for reasons I am sure are legitimate and good and not just an arbitrary twist.

Booky posted:

i think batman should take up some hobbies when hes not crime fighting

ImpAtom posted:

Sorry Alfred. I need to GAME.

Ghostlight posted:

he plays counter strike

Booky posted:

ah i see... i disagree p hard with that but hey as long as its not like yelling about how sugar should be executed or how everyone who likes it is a monster or making incredibly bad faith arguments or smth, than ehhh what can you do

SteelMentor posted:

Reading the words "SU Critical" just sent a wave of flight or flight washing over me. Good lord what a virulent strain of brainworms that scene is.

Was always fun logging in the morning after a new episode dropped to find a melange of gif sets and the most unhinged takes you could imagine about any media ever battling for supremacy on the dash.

Booky posted:

ah i see... i disagree p hard with that but hey as long as its not like yelling about how sugar should be executed or how everyone who likes it is a monster or making incredibly bad faith arguments or smth, than ehhh what can you do

The Saddest Rhino posted:

The 7th Guest posted:

yea I think it's a cute and entertaining show with very well-executed comedy, solid representation, and manages to have positive messages for its target audience without it being a mandatory episodic lesson for the sake of having one. also some fun drama and character arcs

you just have to separate it from the rabid fandom that overscrutinizes it. i'm sure there are aspects of the script and storytelling that fall apart if you watch each episode 10 times, but as someone who watches things only once, I enjoyed watching it

Kaiser Mazoku posted:

Personally I prefer boner Joker.

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Farm Frenzy posted:

i read both this and the summary to batman who laughs and they both come across like a bedtime story you'd tell to a kid who keeps demanding more details

Genthil posted:

I'm just glad that poo poo didn't spread out to other cartoons, except perhaps She-Ra.

Pigbuster posted:

I'd say Voltron, but I think that was a different, but even more profoundly powerful, strain of brainworms.

Annointed posted:

Voltron was fun and then hosed up with last season trashfire and some dead gays.

RareAcumen posted:

I enjoyed Voltron but up until I watched the Veredis Joe videos on the show I had no idea that people cared about Lance gaining a sword that he never used. That said I think it was really a missed opportunity for the Altean shape shifting to play a bigger role in things. They use it literally twice and never again.

nine-gear crow posted:

To me, Voltron's biggest dropped ball was Lotor. They didn't have the balls to properly redeem him and integrate him into the cast as a full member of the team, so they threw out three seasons of meticulous plotting and character growth to turn him into Space Turbo Hitler out of nowhere and then literally melt him into goo and forget about him.

And then absolute lunatics on Tumblr started fomenting a theory that there was a secret Lotor Cut of seasons 7 and 8 out there and that Lotor was painstakingly edited out of every frame of the show as part of some vast conspiracy on the part of Dreamworks. Just absolute bonkers poo poo.

RareAcumen posted:

drat, it's a wonder I'm even allowed to like anything with all the wild ways I find out how people refuse to handle not liking further seasons of a show after the fact.

Booky posted:

i think batman should take up some hobbies when hes not crime fighting

nine-gear crow posted:

Toph being a cop also came about ~5 years before the concept that all cops were in fact bastards and the realization of what copadanga really was really took off in the broader public consciousness.

Captain Invictus posted:

copadanga

Genthil posted:

I'm just glad that poo poo didn't spread out to other cartoons, except perhaps She-Ra.

sexpig by night posted:

Yea I obviously can't say what her 'deal' is but she certainly does show a genuine hostility to sexuality in media in general that's likely wrapped up in something

nine-gear crow posted:

Mind you this was also around the time that people were starting to accrete into a drat near full on QAnon, But For Television/Movies/Comics/Cartoons/Video Games conspiratorially minded subculture that is very slowly (hopefully) coming to its senses and washing back out to sea these days with the changing internet and cultural tides.

Notice, for example, how nobody these days is crowing about how Kathleen Kennedy is almost totally for real this time about to be definitely maybe fired from LucasFilm for the crime of making Disney several billion dollars more than it bought Star Wars for originally. The clowns who used to make that their whole brand have been swept under the rug because they were publicly wrong one too many times.