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Ynglaur posted:. I'm sure some GRU agent somewhere has the fun time of trying to lay out weight sensors on roads in Europe or something to try to weigh the darn things. Eh if one has been a ship that isn’t US flag, somebody has gotten the weight.
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I'm a peace monger It's time for Ukraine to be gifted a naval battle groups, small arms, s400s, 155mm arty pieces, body armor and Canada.
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Hirsute posted:I've only recently become aware that a lot of Americans still think Russia is a communist country, despite the very public collapse of the Soviet Union happening 30 years ago. Anyone else experienced this? Like nobody seems to have advanced past the Cold War in history class Neither has Russia.
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Justifying, among other things, occupying the east. The name "Ukraine" apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully denazified state entity in a territory liberated from the Nazi regime. Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of self-identification of the population of the territories of historical Little Russia and New Russia Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction that does not have its own civilizational content, a subordinate element of an alien and alien civilization...therefore the denazification of Ukraine is also its inevitable de-Europeanization. The guarantee of the preservation of this residual Ukraine...Perhaps this will require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the population of Ukraine will have to understand as it begins to free itself from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice. https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html © РИА Новости
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Nessus posted:I think he's an rear end in a top hat, OP, but you've possibly noticed how the right-wing media landscape in America passionately loves Orban for some reason -- one would think they would be more into Poland, given that I gather the PIS party is not that far off from Orban, and Poland is a larger and richer country, along with there being plenty of Polish-Americans out there. Poland has a credible opposition and their far-right government lacks a single strongman figure. Plus their particular brand of right-wing shittiness is more motivated by religious fundamentalism than pseudo-fascism. All of that makes them less attractive to stereotypical chuds. E: You don't see many normal chuds stanning for Mormons either. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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the popes toes posted:Justifying, among other things, occupying the east. Have tankies started defending/downplaying this poo poo appearing in Russian government controlled media yet?
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Deteriorata posted:ISW's assessment for today (4/3): I wish ISW wouldn’t do this kind of thing—it really makes them seem less credible.
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gay picnic defence posted:Have tankies started defending/downplaying this poo poo appearing in Russian government controlled media yet? Dude the Ukrainians are just killing and raping themselves then blaming the Russians, get with the pogrom. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Hirsute posted:I've only recently become aware that a lot of Americans still think Russia is a communist country, despite the very public collapse of the Soviet Union happening 30 years ago. Anyone else experienced this? Like nobody seems to have advanced past the Cold War in history class Russia is capitalist and bad. Capitalism can't be bad. Therefore Russia is socialist.
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gay picnic defence posted:Have tankies started defending/downplaying this poo poo appearing in Russian government controlled media yet? Do you even have to ask? Their communities are starting to flounder under the weight of crippling self ownage but the primary messaging remains enthusiastically purestrain apologetics
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Hirsute posted:I've only recently become aware that a lot of Americans still think Russia is a communist country, despite the very public collapse of the Soviet Union happening 30 years ago. Anyone else experienced this? Like nobody seems to have advanced past the Cold War in history class I have a strong suspicion that a lot of the online Left's support for Russia comes from conflating the USSR with Russia, therefore Russia has to be the side to support against the capitalist West. I wonder, now that Sarah Palin has announced that she will be running for the House seat in Alaska, will she remind everyone that she predicted Russia's invasion of Ukraine? https://www.mic.com/articles/83939/sarah-palin-and-mitt-romney-predicted-ukraine-s-invasion-years-ago
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Taco Duck posted:Dude the Ukrainians are just killing and raping themselves then blaming the Russians, get with the pogrom. thought that was a typo at first… 
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kzin602 posted:Russia is capitalist and bad. Capitalism can't be bad. Therefore Russia is socialist.
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smug n stuff posted:I wish ISW wouldn’t do this kind of thing—it really makes them seem less credible. Yeah, that’s the real pressing issue at hand here.
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gay picnic defence posted:Yeah, that’s the real pressing issue at hand here. You’re right, it obviously isn’t. I should have said “this is clearly an extremely minor point, but…” On the other hand, if you can’t complain about minor issues in reports from US defense think tanks in D&D, where can you???
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gay picnic defence posted:Yeah, that’s the real pressing issue at hand here. Aren't the people who call genociders mean names the real genociders?
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Nessus posted:Alternatively, America is imperialist and bad. Russia is not America. Therefore, Russia is neither imperialist nor bad. Russia is not imperialists it's just expanding it's defensive perimeter and ensuring that certain states are completely dependent on it for all capital exchanges.
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It's horrible what is happening but if you understand the reasons, America is at fault. 1/12
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Russia is advancing on Kiev as we speak; one step forwards and two steps back
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PeterCat posted:I have a strong suspicion that a lot of the online Left's support for Russia comes from conflating the USSR with Russia, therefore Russia has to be the side to support against the capitalist West. A big thing is that it's hard for a lot of people to accept that Ukraine and other parts of Eastern Europe experienced Tsarist Russia, Communist Russia, and Capitalist Russia as the same boot on the same neck, just wearing different hats as the politics of the empire shifted. It's really hard to do if your own politics require the difference between those hats to make all the difference in the world. Like if you're a right-winger who needs communism to be a special and unique evil beyond that of other autocracy, or a tankie who needs the Soviet Union even at its worst to have been a tragic victim of capitalist imperialism, or even just an end of history type who needs it to be impossible for two nations with McDonalds to go to war. Pretending Putin's Russia is in fact still the USSR, even if you carefully never say that, helps many of those people reconcile it.
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Paladinus posted:Their timeline isn't even correct. Bucha's mayor recorded the video about the town's liberation on March 31st, but almost immediately MoD warned that Russians might still be there, and the town was not safe. The first photos of the bodies on the road (that I could find) were posted on facebook on April 2. Paladinus posted:A small correction. Even though the mayor says in the video 'today, on March 31', the earliest version of the video I can find is actually from April 1, so he might have simply forgot what day it was. MoD did issue a statement that it wasn't safe to return to the town on the same day, April 1. There's an even earlier video on twitter from April 1. The dead cyclist in the video seems to be the same as on later photos.  , obviouslyhttps://twitter.com/ViktoriiaUAH/status/1509985789404459011
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PeterCat posted:I have a strong suspicion that a lot of the online Left's support for Russia comes from conflating the USSR with Russia, therefore Russia has to be the side to support against the capitalist West. I think there is a degree of this as there are some lefties who romanticize the USSR, but I think the bulk of it is just a simplified framing of the world where the US is the worst actor in the world in every situation. In that situation, Russia is just the de facto beneficiary of people who are siding against whatever they perceive the US to be doing. All Russia needs to do is make some vague statements about the West forcing their hand and opposing imperialism, and they'll get the support of this group. The irony of course is that it's in the west where these people are free to feel this way about their governments. Go try and proclaim that the Russian government is the source of all the worlds evils in Moscow and see what happens.
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Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian.  
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Killer robot posted:A big thing is that it's hard for a lot of people to accept that Ukraine and other parts of Eastern Europe experienced Tsarist Russia, Communist Russia, and Capitalist Russia as the same boot on the same neck, just wearing different hats as the politics of the empire shifted. It's really hard to do if your own politics require the difference between those hats to make all the difference in the world. Like if you're a right-winger who needs communism to be a special and unique evil beyond that of other autocracy, or a tankie who needs the Soviet Union even at its worst to have been a tragic victim of capitalist imperialism, or even just an end of history type who needs it to be impossible for two nations with McDonalds to go to war. Pretending Putin's Russia is in fact still the USSR, even if you carefully never say that, helps many of those people reconcile it. I agree that the difference between tsarist, "communist" and "capitalist" Russia (both with asterisks) the latter two of which some people here make a major thing of, don't matter much if one looks at the country's actions toward other nations.
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smug n stuff posted:I wish ISW wouldn’t do this kind of thing—it really makes them seem less credible. ISW has really become too reliant on the UA General Staff for its updates in general. It's not super useful to just recycle their updates in a new format rather than incorporating the ample OSINT stuff out there.
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acidx posted:I think there is a degree of this as there are some lefties who romanticize the USSR, but I think the bulk of it is just a simplified framing of the world where the US is the worst actor in the world in every situation. In that situation, Russia is just the de facto beneficiary of people who are siding against whatever they perceive the US to be doing. All Russia needs to do is make some vague statements about the West forcing their hand and opposing imperialism, and they'll get the support of this group. The irony of course is that it's in the west where these people are free to feel this way about their governments. Go try and proclaim that the Russian government is the source of all the worlds evils in Moscow and see what happens. I think that’s laid the groundwork for a lot of the pro Russia tankie poo poo we’re seeing. There’s been plenty of examples of Russia backing the victims of unjustified US/western fuckery and it’s gradually morphed into a US bad/Russia good dichotomy in some left wing circles. That’s made them far more susceptible to Russian propaganda regarding Ukraine and its nazis because they’ve already been primed to assume that Russia is the good guy and whoever the US is backing must be the bad guy. It’s a shame because a strength of the left is it’s propensity to actually analyse complex situations but instead some of the most committed leftists have sunk to the same goodies and baddies poo poo I expect from chuds.
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Deteriorata posted:Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. Kyiv fought off an invading army that possessed a substantial numerical and technological advantage. And they did it with no ally armies’ direct assistance, using their own army, reserves, and willing civilians. And the rally cry that drove them was to keep Ukraine as Ukraine. They are now double Ukraine. Glory to the heroes, honour and grieving for those lost, eternal shame and defeat to the aggressor.
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Ukraine smoked the Russian army so hard they stopped wheeling the bodies out. Called it day 1 onwards. Yeah there's a little bit of  to that statement. Never give up hope on an army that knew it could have pushed Donetsk back to the Russian border any day of the week and only didn't because it would give Russia a justification. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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I accidentally got into the english-language german news comments sphere and holy poo poo that country has not been sufficiently denazified. Also just tons of ghoulish german capitalists absolutely enraged that sanctions against Russia could hurt their stock portfolios and asking why germany could suffer upwards of a 5% hit to GDP just for some stupid old genocide. The inhuman selfishness of so many people is astounding. I actually asked a german how much a single Ukrainian civilian's life is worth to them and they confidently stated nothing because no country should ever be asked to sacrifice their GDP for "unrelated" conflicts. Anyone who supports Ukraine should simply go volunteer with their army but leave our precious GDP's out of it.
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Baronjutter posted:I accidentally got into the english-language german news comments sphere and holy poo poo that country has not been sufficiently denazified. Also just tons of ghoulish german capitalists absolutely enraged that sanctions against Russia could hurt their stock portfolios and asking why germany could suffer upwards of a 5% hit to GDP just for some stupid old genocide. The inhuman selfishness of so many people is astounding. I actually asked a german how much a single Ukrainian civilian's life is worth to them and they confidently stated nothing because no country should ever be asked to sacrifice their GDP for "unrelated" conflicts. Anyone who supports Ukraine should simply go volunteer with their army but leave our precious GDP's out of it. muh property values! except extended to literally the whole economy.... truly, the financial sector has been a blessing.
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Baronjutter posted:I accidentally got into the english-language german news comments sphere and holy poo poo that country has not been sufficiently denazified. Also just tons of ghoulish german capitalists absolutely enraged that sanctions against Russia could hurt their stock portfolios and asking why germany could suffer upwards of a 5% hit to GDP just for some stupid old genocide. The inhuman selfishness of so many people is astounding. I actually asked a german how much a single Ukrainian civilian's life is worth to them and they confidently stated nothing because no country should ever be asked to sacrifice their GDP for "unrelated" conflicts. Anyone who supports Ukraine should simply go volunteer with their army but leave our precious GDP's out of it. Oh yeah it's some screwed up poo poo. Also there's been a number of economists who've objected to the German government's estimate of a five percent decrease, arguing three percent is much more realistic and that with public investment it could be as low as a .5% hit. The idea of Germany sending Putin €1.25 million per day in order to avoid the inconvenience and political embarrassment of reversing bad policies is difficult to accept.
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Kaal posted:Oh yeah it's some screwed up poo poo. Also there's been a number of economists who've objected to the German government's estimate of a five percent decrease, arguing three percent is much more realistic and that with public investment it could be as low as a .5% hit. The idea of Germany sending Putin €1.25 million per day in order to avoid the inconvenience and political embarrassment of reversing bad policies is difficult to accept.
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Baronjutter posted:I accidentally got into the english-language german news comments sphere and holy poo poo that country has not been sufficiently denazified. Also just tons of ghoulish german capitalists absolutely enraged that sanctions against Russia could hurt their stock portfolios and asking why germany could suffer upwards of a 5% hit to GDP just for some stupid old genocide. The inhuman selfishness of so many people is astounding. I actually asked a german how much a single Ukrainian civilian's life is worth to them and they confidently stated nothing because no country should ever be asked to sacrifice their GDP for "unrelated" conflicts. Anyone who supports Ukraine should simply go volunteer with their army but leave our precious GDP's out of it. Definitely not in their defense, but many German friends I have known felt that anything to do with the military is very dumb and should be ignored. "We're done with that nonsense", they said.
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the popes toes posted:Definitely not in their defense, but many German friends I have known felt that anything to do with the military is very dumb and should be ignored. "We're done with that nonsense", they said. That would have been an improvement of reality of them having sold Russia weapon components in 2015-.
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Pizdec posted:Zelenskyy? I'm Hungarian, I can confirm it. Orbán said it in his victory speech. All over Hungarian news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2lCKstcXq8&t=441s Starting from 7:21, my transcription: "Ez a győzelem azért is marad majd emlékezetes talán életünk végéig, mert most kellett a legnagyobb túlerővel megküzdeni. A baloldal itthon, a nemzetközi baloldal körös-körül, a brüsszeli bürokraták, a Soros-birodalom minden pénze és szervezete, a nemzetközi fősodratú média és a végén még az ukrán elnök is. Ennyi ellenfelünk egyszerre még sosem volt." My translation: "Perhaps another reason why we should remember this victory for as long as we live: now is when the forces against us were at their most overwhelming. The political left at home, the international left all around us, the bureaucrats in Brussels, all the money and all the organizations of the Soros empire, the international mainstream media, and by the end, even the Ukrainian president. We have never had so many opponents, all at once." Ashenai fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Ukraine smoked the Russian army so hard they stopped wheeling the bodies out. At this point I live for the tweets in this thread that show the Ukrainian map that shows it with more and more blue and yellow on it and less and less red every day now. Turns out the way to deal with a bear attacking you is the same way you deal with a shark attacking you--punch it right in the nose repeatedly until it rolls over and runs the gently caress away  E: the popes toes posted:Read more to understand why this non-NATO insect can be deadly to Russians. Glory to hero bees! nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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gay picnic defence posted:I think that’s laid the groundwork for a lot of the pro Russia tankie poo poo we’re seeing. There’s been plenty of examples of Russia backing the victims of unjustified US/western fuckery and it’s gradually morphed into a US bad/Russia good dichotomy in some left wing circles. That’s made them far more susceptible to Russian propaganda regarding Ukraine and its nazis because they’ve already been primed to assume that Russia is the good guy and whoever the US is backing must be the bad guy. Agreed. I can't comprehend anybody who is actually anti-imperialist being on the side of Russia in all this. Like... do people even think anymore? Yureina fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Yureina posted:Agreed. I can't comprehent anybody who is actually anti-imperialist being on the side of Russia in all this. Like... do people even think anymore? You'd honestly have a better chance of seeing the statue of liberty come to life, take off its robe, and do the macarena in a bikini off the coast of Liberty Island before seeing that happen in our lifetimes, or many more past that. There are always going to be a lot of people like this in the world. 
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Despera posted:I thought the tankies would be on the side of Ukraine. When I found out they were not months of free content just appeared before my eyes.
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