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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

BalloonFish posted:

"My local council is strictly non-political - they're all Conservative." Michael Flanders, 1957

The same thing applied to young people, and why the Young Conservatives was the largest political youth organisation in the Western world in the 1960s. Most of the YCs activities were not expressly political, but it provided a 'respectable' way for the kids of suburban and rural middle class parents to socialise, travel and do community work. Of course it also subtly enforced Conservative norms and ideas as it did so, and primed many (but not all) of its members to be, if not Conservatives then conservatives, as adults.

The YCs were always significantly more moderate/progressive than the party at large, but a load of neoliberal 'dry' arseholes came into the organisation in the early 80s, mostly to try and overtturn the YCs' anti-apartheid and full-employment stances. This caused factional disputes to break out which, combined with the divisive Thatcher-era policies, drove most of the normal people who just wanted the occasional dinner dance and coach trip away and the membership plummeted, so by the 1990s the YCs had become one of the most swivel-eyed bits of the Tory structure and began birthing all those weirdo 15-year olds with Lego minifig hairstyles who wear pinstripe suits to school.

When I was at school in the mid 70s in the town I currently live in, many of the girls were members of the Young Conservatives because (a) tories were the only ones with their own building and under 18s could go in there and play snooker or just hang out - there was nowhere else for those between 11 and pub-going age, (b) hoping to bag themselves a young farmer husband.

For the record, I did not go. I had posters of Lenin on my bedroom walls and stayed in my bedroom listening to Led Zepp, Pink Floyd and King Crimson.

stev posted:

They still have Tory clubs? That seems... bizarre to me even if you factor in all the old men who want to cling on to the days where every other nice pub had a private membership.

Yes, there's one in my town - boo hiss. My sister's husband (a staunch Labour voter) goes there because it's where a club he's in meet. We tease him and call him Tory Boy. (Not the same as one of my brothers who is also known as Tory Boy - but he IS a tory.

Page snipe:

97 is 91+6. 91 is the number of days in the Apr-Jun quarter.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 4, 2022

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Welp

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1511076442980896769?t=9e3C60KT-45dWNYtYbur_A&s=19

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Yes we all know that small and medium private companies without institutional support are best placed to compete against the likes of Amazon.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.


in her defence, she is the government in question

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
is nadine dorries really making decisions?

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
There's a Liberal Club and a Conservative Club within about 3 miles of my home, and I've never been to either. The ConClub is in a really lovely old building and they open it up to the public a few days each year.

It's far, far safer to go into the Conservative Club than it is to either of the two very fash pubs, unless you've got a tattoo of the En-ger-land Flag and current EDL membership.

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Yes, there's one in my town - boo hiss. My sister's husband (a staunch Labour voter) goes there because it's where a club he's in meet. We tease him and call him Tory Boy. (Not the same as one of my brothers who is also known as Tory Boy - but he IS a tory.

The games club I'm part of meets at the railwaymen's social club, opposite the local Labour HQ. I assume that makes me working class or something?

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

The only conclusion she comes to is the last page of her novel

Only Kindness
Oct 12, 2016
I have come to the conclusion that government ownership is holding Channel 4 back from competing against giants like Intel, Nestle and Walmart. Therefore,

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Wolfsbane posted:

The games club I'm part of meets at the railwaymen's social club, opposite the local Labour HQ. I assume that makes me working class or something?

Well you are sharing a platform (geddit?) with them so I guess that means you accept and believe everything they do and say.

(We used to go to a pub in Croydon called Porter & Sorter which was by East Croydon station when I worked for the railways - frequented by rail workers and posties. So I guess I am now a postie.)

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

My parents used to take me to events at the local Conservative club when I was a kid. I thought I was special.

I used to boast to my schoolfriends that I used to go.

I got bullied a lot.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
I used to drink at the British Legion all the time but I'm *fairly* sure that doesn't mean I'm responsible for Bloody Sunday (admittedly I didn't check the membership forms that closely).

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
I had to read this tweet twice to parse it - urging a ban on trans conversion therapy as well as gay conversion therapy.

quote:

Excl: Some of the UK’s most senior religious leaders - including former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams - have written to the PM urging him to ban trans as well as gay conversion therapy.
“To be trans is to enter a sacred journey of becoming whole”.


https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1510959904386859009?s=20&t=ZEUj4aN4dLip0Ka9j8gSog

Albinator
Mar 31, 2010

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

When I was at school in the mid 70s in the town I currently live in, many of the girls were members of the Young Conservatives because (a) tories were the only ones with their own building and under 18s could go in there and play snooker or just hang out - there was nowhere else for those between 11 and pub-going age, (b) hoping to bag themselves a young farmer husband.

For the record, I did not go. I had posters of Lenin on my bedroom walls and stayed in my bedroom listening to Led Zepp, Pink Floyd and King Crimson.
Happy memories of the Star Club in Glasgow in the eighties, where you could hear good music for not much money. It was in the building then occupied by the Glasgow branch of the Communist Party - the Star in question was the Morning Star.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I had to read this tweet twice to parse it - urging a ban on trans conversion therapy as well as gay conversion therapy.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1510959904386859009?s=20&t=ZEUj4aN4dLip0Ka9j8gSog

Lol me too.

In a few days we'll see the headline PM No Longer Advised Against Ban on Conversion Therapy Ban

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
I see Jeremy Crombyn has worked the Liberals up into an apoplectic rage this morning simply by posting an utterly innocuous comment.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1511000514292600833?t=6dWM5tyF9kVFuO8y6WPSLQ

Juche Couture
Feb 3, 2007


The local conservative club near me has redecorated to hide the fact that it’s a conservative club and it seems really full on weekends, but gently caress off if I’m setting foot in there to find out, it’s cursed ground as far as i’m concerned

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
This is turning into a fun new game: Which Word In Jeremy Corbyn's Tweet Has Made People Unreasonably Angry Today?

I clicked that all expecting it to be his call for a ceasefire, and loads of sensible centrist grownups insisting we give Ukraine all our Challenger 2s so they can drive to Moscow instead.

But no.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
To be fair (and I'm being very charitable here, perhaps unreasonably so), he doesn't mention the war much at all in his timeline, so if you were already of the persuasion that he was a Russian stooge, that latest tweet doesn't help.

However there's a good video a couple weeks back nicely showing how he never ever approved of putin, unlike certain Labour leaders.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

keep punching joe posted:

I see Jeremy Crombyn has worked the Liberals up into an apoplectic rage this morning simply by posting an utterly innocuous comment.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1511000514292600833?t=6dWM5tyF9kVFuO8y6WPSLQ

Lol, I'd just come across this on Twitter. David Gauke was all : "HOW DARE YOU CALL FOR A CEASEFIRE WE NEED MORE BLOOD"

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I had to read this tweet twice to parse it - urging a ban on trans conversion therapy as well as gay conversion therapy.

Unrelated but I do like the use of "Very Revd" as a title, they should have a full scale of those from Slightly Revd to Super Very Ultra Total Revd

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Angepain posted:

Unrelated but I do like the use of "Very Revd" as a title, they should have a full scale of those from Slightly Revd to Super Very Ultra Total Revd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Reverend

There's already a Double-Double-Reverend-No-Takebacks title which the Archbishop of Canterbury gets.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Infinity Plus One Reverend


E: sounds like a philosophical sitcom

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

I can’t imagine “Right Reverend” in anything other than a Nathan Barley-style exhortation

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Hecka Reverend

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Aleph-Aleph Reverend.

Aleph Null



is the smallest infinite number. Followed by Aleph_1, Aleph_2 etc. So I'd say Aleph-Aleph is bigger than those. How about Aleph to the power of Aleph biggness of infinity.


Instead of "I am the alpha and the omega" we could have "I am the Aleph and the omega".

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Apr 5, 2022

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Graham's Reverend

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Aleph Null

is the smallest infinite number. Followed by Aleph_1, Aleph_2 etc. So I'd say Aleph-Aleph is bigger than those. How about Aleph to the power of Aleph biggness of infinity.
Thinking about this puts me in mind of a fun* puzzle:

You're working the front desk at the Infinite Hotel. Unfortunately, it's been overbooked! All of the infinite rooms are occupied, when another guest arrives. How do you make space for them? Just move every guest into the next room number (n+1), and put the new one into room 1. Easy. Then, a coach arrives, containing an infinite number of guests, all needing rooms. How do you get these ones in? Move every current guest into the room whose number is double the one they are in right now, you've freed up all infinity odd-numbered rooms, assign each of the new guests room number 2n-1 in the order they come off the coach. Finally, an infinite number of coaches arrive, each with infinite guests - same question? I actually can't remember the solution to this one, answers on a postcard

*for some

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Borrovan posted:

Finally, an infinite number of coaches arrive, each with infinite guests - same question? I actually can't remember the solution to this one, answers on a postcard

*for some

Every number has a unique prime factorisation, so each guest in each coach should proceed to their room, which is room 2^c x 3^n where c is their coach number, and n is their seat number. So the guest in seat 420 on coach 69 is in room 2^69 x 3^420. Hotel guests should presume they were in coach 0 when moving to the new room.

This solution does leave the vast majority of the rooms free though, there's others that occupy every room which I can't remember either.

EDIT: made solution slightly simpler

Reveilled fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Apr 5, 2022

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
This is called the Hilbert Hotel if you wanna waste some Wikipedia time on it.

Good episode of the Omnibus podcast about it as well

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!
Sweet Bro and Hella Rev

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Borrovan posted:

Thinking about this puts me in mind of a fun* puzzle:

You're working the front desk at the Infinite Hotel. Unfortunately, it's been overbooked! All of the infinite rooms are occupied, when another guest arrives. How do you make space for them? Just move every guest into the next room number (n+1), and put the new one into room 1. Easy. Then, a coach arrives, containing an infinite number of guests, all needing rooms. How do you get these ones in? Move every current guest into the room whose number is double the one they are in right now, you've freed up all infinity odd-numbered rooms, assign each of the new guests room number 2n-1 in the order they come off the coach. Finally, an infinite number of coaches arrive, each with infinite guests - same question? I actually can't remember the solution to this one, answers on a postcard

*for some

In the first case, can't you just move the last guest into the next room rather than moving everyone?

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Angrymog posted:

In the first case, can't you just move the last guest into the next room rather than moving everyone?

If this worked you could just send the new guest to the next room and move nobody at all, but the problem is that the hotel is fully occupied. The "next" room is already occupied, so you need to move them, so you need to move their neighbour, and so on. So in order to create a free room, you need to have every guest in the hotel move at the same time according to some mathematical operation to create a free room.

You could technically pick any arbitrary number and move everyone in a room number larger than that, though, it doesn't have to be room 1. You'd still be moving an infinite amount of people either way, though.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Reveilled posted:

Every number has a unique prime factorisation, so each guest in each coach should proceed to their room, which is room 2^c x 3^n where c is their coach number, and n is their seat number. So the guest in seat 420 on coach 69 is in room 2^69 x 3^420. Hotel guests should presume they were in coach 0 when moving to the new room.

This solution does leave the vast majority of the rooms free though, there's others that occupy every room which I can't remember either.

EDIT: made solution slightly simpler

We could put up the asylum seekers and refugees in some of those free rooms and use others to house frothing gammon and padlock them in.

Reveilled posted:

If this worked you could just send the new guest to the next room and move nobody at all, but the problem is that the hotel is fully occupied. The "next" room is already occupied, so you need to move them, so you need to move their neighbour, and so on. So in order to create a free room, you need to have every guest in the hotel move at the same time according to some mathematical operation to create a free room.

You could technically pick any arbitrary number and move everyone in a room number larger than that, though, it doesn't have to be room 1. You'd still be moving an infinite amount of people either way, though.


I think moving an infinite amount of people would require an infinite amount of energy and is therefore impractical. I vote to put the new coachload of people into sleeping bags on the ballroom floor and charge them £40 per night rent.

Only Kindness
Oct 12, 2016
All Reverend Up And No Place To Go

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The Virgin of Mercy and the The Chad Most Reverend
https://twitter.com/lottelydia/status/1510947990898417674

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Borrovan posted:

Thinking about this puts me in mind of a fun* puzzle:

You're working the front desk at the Infinite Hotel. Unfortunately, it's been overbooked! All of the infinite rooms are occupied, when another guest arrives. How do you make space for them? Just move every guest into the next room number (n+1), and put the new one into room 1. Easy. Then, a coach arrives, containing an infinite number of guests, all needing rooms. How do you get these ones in? Move every current guest into the room whose number is double the one they are in right now, you've freed up all infinity odd-numbered rooms, assign each of the new guests room number 2n-1 in the order they come off the coach. Finally, an infinite number of coaches arrive, each with infinite guests - same question? I actually can't remember the solution to this one, answers on a postcard

*for some

I'm not a fancy math person but surely if your infinite rooms are all full then you are already housing infinite people, and it would not be possible for more people to arrive?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
There's different infinities. Some of them are infinitely bigger than others. Some look like they should be bigger than others, like the set of all natural numbers {1, 2, 3, 4 ...} looks as through it should be bigger than the set of even natural numbers {2, 4 ...} and smaller than the set of integers {-2, -1, 0, 1, 2 ...} however Cantor says otherwise as each can be mapped to a distinct member of the others and there are infinite of them after all. But then there's other sets.

However the real problem, as all people with a grounding in real rational free market economics rather than airy fairy pure maths would agree, is that a hotel with infinite rooms would ruin the housing market :argh:

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Dublin is asymptotically approaching a state of infinite hotel rooms, and yes it's hosed the housing market

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Jul 30, 2008

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Well you are sharing a platform (geddit?) with them so I guess that means you accept and believe everything they do and say.

(We used to go to a pub in Croydon called Porter & Sorter which was by East Croydon station when I worked for the railways - frequented by rail workers and posties. So I guess I am now a postie.)

Our D&D club was in the King's Head which I'm pretty sure means I personally offed Charles I.

(You're welcome, UKMT)

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