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living through the inflection point between "loving around" and "finding out"
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Apr 6, 2022 13:41
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net zero by 2050 just means everyone* will have free** dial-up internet provided by NetZero by 2050***
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Apr 6, 2022 13:48
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Homocow posted:living through the inflection point between "loving around" and "finding out" I like to call it "The End of the Surplus Age"
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Apr 6, 2022 13:48
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Low motivation admission overt Let's Minecraft all oligarchs Loser mankind awaits omnideath
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Apr 6, 2022 13:52
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krispykremessuck posted:net zero by 2050 just means everyone* will have free** dial-up internet provided by NetZero by 2050*** Can I get that a bit early? I'm looking to cut costs for my mining op
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Apr 6, 2022 13:56
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/briefing/climate-optimism-ukraine-week-ahead.html "hey friend thought this might cheer you up! great read" *blushing emoji*
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Apr 6, 2022 15:27
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If it's gauche to post my own writing here please let me know, but I thought you all might like it https://tpainesnewsletter.substack.com/p/the-dangers-of-climate-optimism?s=w My response to all the soupbrained climate optimists T-Paine has issued a correction as of 17:44 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Apr 6, 2022 15:47
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T-Paine posted:If it's gauche to post my own writing here please let me know, but I thought you all might like it https://aeroplane45.substack.com/p/the-dangers-of-climate-optimism?s=w tbh i find it considerate to say "hey I made an effort post, you can find it here" with a link rather than just copy/pasting it into the thread because regardless of the quality of the post, giant blocks of text that get quoted over and over for discussion are annoying. now, if it were a podcast,
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Apr 6, 2022 15:51
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https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1511702664266096646 https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1511694531636641794 https://thehill.com/policy/equilibr...n-5-4-decision/ not strictly climate but lol
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Apr 6, 2022 16:03
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https://twitter.com/DonotInnovate/status/1511709732741992452quote:The Supreme Court on Wednesday halted a prior court ruling that struck down a Trump-era rule limiting state and tribal authority to veto projects that could impact their waters, including pipelines.
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Apr 6, 2022 17:01
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Egg Moron posted:Sadbrained 19th/20th century existentialists have nothing on climate doom mindset earth will be fine, it's just heating up to kill the virus harming it atm it'll just be a long fever and then it breaks~
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Apr 6, 2022 17:06
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if we try extra hard we can probably push it into a runaway hothouse effect that leaves it looking more like venus when all is said and done
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Apr 6, 2022 17:18
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we're all going to be living underground like Gurren Lagann
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Apr 6, 2022 17:33
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Sickos
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Apr 6, 2022 18:06
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The Protagonist posted:if we try extra hard we can probably push it into a runaway hothouse effect that leaves it looking more like venus when all is said and done I do expect us to try our level best to make this reality
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Apr 6, 2022 18:35
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That was a good blog post Tpaine. Thank you for sharing it. Something that jumps out at me about the doomer discourse, is that the views of the doomer are valid. Some might disagree with the views, but they are valid views to hold. Suppressing the expression of these views denies an untold number of us the opportunity to grieve for... everything, doing genuine harm. We had a speaker at work a couple weeks back. Her expertise was in applied mathematics, and she was asked a question about climate optimism. She gave a brave answer, but it started with how difficult it is to be optimistic about the climate, given the evidence. Honestly she could be a poster here. I guess what I'm trying to say is that regardless of what some rear end in a top hat says in their Twitter drive by, y'all are valid and deserve the space to process this existential horror.
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Apr 6, 2022 18:49
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TehSaurus posted:That was a good blog post Tpaine. Thank you for sharing it. Something that jumps out at me about the doomer discourse, is that the views of the doomer are valid. Some might disagree with the views, but they are valid views to hold. Suppressing the expression of these views denies an untold number of us the opportunity to grieve for... everything, doing genuine harm. Thanks, I agree and I tried to explore that a little bit by asking how appropriate it would be to say the same things to someone who is depressed or anxious over something else. I mean, we have therapists now who specialize in climate angst. It's not something you can wish away
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Apr 6, 2022 18:59
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T-Paine posted:If it's gauche to post my own writing here please let me know, but I thought you all might like it https://tpainesnewsletter.substack.com/p/the-dangers-of-climate-optimism?s=w I just read your Defund The Military piece. Good work.
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Apr 6, 2022 19:12
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T-Paine posted:Thanks, I agree and I tried to explore that a little bit by asking how appropriate it would be to say the same things to someone who is depressed or anxious over something else. I mean, we have therapists now who specialize in climate angst. It's not something you can wish away trying to "be brave" is a good way to think about it. try to help other people and do little things to make everyone's life better, and don't stop educating people. you can still go home and cry about it, no shame in that at all.
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Apr 6, 2022 19:15
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mdemone posted:"be brave" well the earth doesn’t care and we hardly even matter we’re just a bit more piss to push out its full bladder and as our bodies break down into all their rocky little bits piled up under mountains of dirt and silt and still the world it don’t give a poo poo
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Apr 6, 2022 19:35
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Lmao https://twitter.com/dpcarrington/status/1511651028525109253?t=1i99OSkN7dTY1iy5woNVlw&s=19 11 of the 13 people they examined had microplastics in their lungs
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Apr 6, 2022 19:50
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TACD posted:2050 is 28 years away The End of Ice posted:“We’ve screwed ourselves,” he says. “We kicked the bucket. We have gone off the cliff. 93.4 percent of the global warming heat we’ve produced is in the oceans, and half of that went in since just 1997. That is unbelievable. If we’d only gotten hold of this when we knew about it in the ’80s we’d have less than half the problem we have now.” Wanless, who has been watching things go from bad to worse for so long, is taken aback by the business-as-usual mind-set of the general public. “We have to stop doing this,” he continues. “With population increasing, with industrialization ongoing, and with the sad exuberance about opening the Arctic as an opportunity to get more oil and gas, shouldn’t we be thinking, ‘Oh my God, what have we done?’” As grim and sobering as his statements are, they are a breath of fresh air. Mayor Dave posted:Lmao You can sequester all the GHG's you want, transition as many cars to EV, do all your meatless mondays: it isn't going to stop the collapse of the biosphere now. Rime has issued a correction as of 19:53 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Apr 6, 2022 19:50
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I love that book, it's one of my favorite climate vooks
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Apr 6, 2022 19:51
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T-Paine posted:Thanks, I agree and I tried to explore that a little bit by asking how appropriate it would be to say the same things to someone who is depressed or anxious over something else. I mean, we have therapists now who specialize in climate angst. It's not something you can wish away Absolutely. I thought that it was worth underscoring how invalidating The toxic positivity is, but I think that's more building on what you wrote than adding anything really new. mdemone posted:trying to "be brave" is a good way to think about it. try to help other people and do little things to make everyone's life better, and don't stop educating people. This is the way. We can't fix the world, but if I give someone a coat or hand out food at the food bank that is doing capital G Good and no internet douchebags can take that away from me.
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Apr 6, 2022 19:52
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Rime posted:You can sequester all the GHG's you want, transition as many cars to EV, do all your meatless mondays: it isn't going to stop the collapse of the biosphere now. it's always fun to explain to people that climate change and ubiquitous microplastics are actually two completely different orthogonal biosphere catastrophes.
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Apr 6, 2022 20:34
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Excited for micro plastics to destroy all animals ability to reproduce, at the same time as all biomes getting wrecked so there's no good place to live anyway.
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Apr 6, 2022 20:43
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*the architect from the matrix voice* you're all going to die and there's nothing you can do about it
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Apr 6, 2022 20:49
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Mayor Dave posted:Lmao tell me you don't want to lick that 
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Apr 6, 2022 21:01
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Homeless Friend posted:tell me you don't want to lick that It definitely looks like Fruit Loop dust
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Apr 6, 2022 21:02
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Iron Crowned posted:It definitely looks like Fruit Loop dust it is
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Apr 6, 2022 21:03
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T-Paine posted:If it's gauche to post my own writing here please let me know, but I thought you all might like it https://tpainesnewsletter.substack.com/p/the-dangers-of-climate-optimism?s=w Fun read, thanks for sharing. also plastic doomers: have you considered that perhaps things aren't actually that bad, because we've banned plastic straws
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Apr 6, 2022 21:05
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Hubbert posted:Fun read, thanks for sharing. honolulu banned plastic bags too and charges 5c for even paper bags (or the super thick plastic ones that are still allowed) and honestly it dramatically cut down on the amount of pointless bag waste everywhere. they just banned plastic utensils for takeout too. all our beaches are made out of plastic anyway though because the pacific ocean is made of plastic now
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Apr 6, 2022 21:07
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we burn all our trash too, no landfilled plastic for us. hawaii is honestly doing pretty decent on the plastic waste front. we do our best with renewables too but that's mainly because we can't rely on other states or nuclear or cheap coal for power and we have a hell of a lot of sun. also burning trash makes up 10% of the total power grid for honolulu lol
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Apr 6, 2022 21:09
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Stereotype posted:it's always fun to explain to people that climate change and ubiquitous microplastics are actually two completely different orthogonal biosphere catastrophes. Well plastic is made from oil so there is definitely a connection, though I get what you're saying. There are quite a few completely unrelated ways we're loving the planet. Plastic, emissions, invasive species, pesticides, over fishing, deforestation, the list goes on I do wonder: if all our emissions just, like, had no effect on the climate, we'd still be pretty hosed, but how hosed? 10% hosed? Maybe we'd make it to 2500?
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Apr 6, 2022 21:13
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burning trash is probably under the 'renewable' blanket for the energy data thinktanks
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Apr 6, 2022 21:15
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I do wonder: if all our emissions just, like, had no effect on the climate, we'd still be pretty hosed, but how hosed? 10% hosed? Maybe we'd make it to 2500? no, no, we'd still be hosed by the physical and finite limits to growth (resource depletion), spiraling global biodiversity*, and the widespread proliferation of industrial pollutants / contaminants. Hubbert has issued a correction as of 21:45 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Apr 6, 2022 21:20
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Stereotype posted:honolulu banned plastic bags too and charges 5c for even paper bags (or the super thick plastic ones that are still allowed) and honestly it dramatically cut down on the amount of pointless bag waste everywhere. they just banned plastic utensils for takeout too. all our beaches are made out of plastic anyway though because the pacific ocean is made of plastic now if my bro's family moves back to Hawaii, I think i might give being homeless in Hawaii a try - seems p sweet.
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Apr 6, 2022 21:33
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Net zero by 2050! We'll implement a carbon thingy plan to mitigate emissions! Of course we'll have to grant exceptions to certain critical industries (all of them) and individuals (the rich ones) so they can continue to perform essential functions (plastic party decorations)
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Apr 6, 2022 22:24
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The Protagonist posted:burning trash is probably under the 'renewable' blanket for the energy data thinktanks yeah it's counted as a renewable in all our stats lol
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Apr 6, 2022 22:27
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The Protagonist posted:burning trash is probably under the 'renewable' blanket for the energy data thinktanks well it gives the place that nice smokey smell that we all like and then that smoke goes up in the sky and turns into stars
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Apr 6, 2022 22:29
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