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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

2 and a red doesn't get you what it used to.....

fadam
Apr 23, 2008


This seems like it can get out of hand pretty fast lol. Doesn't take that much support for this to be hitting for a lot with haste.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





hideaway back.

uggy
Aug 6, 2006

Posting is SERIOUS BUSINESS
and I am completely joyless

Don't make me judge you

How does this work? They gain blitz when cast? They don’t have blitz in hand?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

fadam posted:

This seems like it can get out of hand pretty fast lol. Doesn't take that much support for this to be hitting for a lot with haste.

You have to have 2 creatures enter for it to be a 4/3... Doesn't seem great.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.








art deco has foil etch variant.

Strong Sauce fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 7, 2022

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
lol flapper elspeth.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Five mana is pricy but her abilities are dope

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
if they printed blitz a decade ago they wouldn't have let the card replace itself

TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


Feel like Elspeth is a little underpowered for a 5 cost walker? Otherwise these have been fun so far.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Getting the entire neighborhood addicted to cocaine is a win condition.

mikeraskol
May 3, 2006

Oh yeah. I was killing you.

Pablo Nergigante posted:

Five mana is pricy but her abilities are dope

Seems just a little too expensive for the kind of deck that she would want to fit into, but I was way off on the planeswalkers in the last set so what do I know.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Getting the entire neighborhood addicted to cocaine is a win condition.

Just like real life

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

mcmagic posted:

You have to have 2 creatures enter for it to be a 4/3... Doesn't seem great.

I'm going to try a few copies in Naya Winota in Pioneer.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Elspeth is probably good. It starts on 5 and -7's to pretty much win the game against most decks. It also get a semi hexproof indestructible guy against control decks. I like the card.

fadam posted:

I'm going to try a few copies in Naya Winota in Pioneer.
My guess is that is winning more.

GonSmithe
Apr 25, 2010

Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.
I think Elspeth is very good. Her -3 gives you some protection with a high chance to hit because it’s top 7, and her +1 giving permanent First Strike and Vigilance counters protect her as well.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

mcmagic posted:

My guess is that is winning more.

I would agree except for haste. Getting a spin after losing your spinners + the upside of it potentially just winning if you hit the right stuff seems worth trying.

TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


I do very much like the idea of diving into a diverse Bant counter strategy.

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009


Turning your opponents draws into impulses is amusing to me

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

AngryBooch posted:



Turning your opponents draws into impulses is amusing to me

Seems too fair.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

AngryBooch posted:

Turning your opponents draws into impulses is amusing to me

Didn't want that counterspell anyway

Lone Goat
Apr 16, 2003

When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.




fadam posted:

Seems too fair.

Drawing 1.5 cards a turn while your opponent gets 0.5 seems pretty rude

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan
p cool the red praetor basically steals (local) time

mikeraskol
May 3, 2006

Oh yeah. I was killing you.
Ob Nixilis seems pretty drat good to me. Someone will link the image I'm sure but it slots nicely in rakdos sac decks and at 1BR is nicely costed.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Strong Sauce posted:

hideaway back.



Hey wait, it doesn't enter the battlefield tapped?

The same keyword doing different things on different card types smdh.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

Lone Goat posted:

Drawing 1.5 cards a turn while your opponent gets 0.5 seems pretty rude

The fact that you have to wait until upkeep to get your new card and it doesn't Uba Mask all their draws is what's turning me off. 5 is a lot to spend for no immediate major impact, but I guess it is a 4 power hasty guy.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

+1 is a little weak BUT being able to make double Obs on cast is cool

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

*Zendaya is Meechee voice* Vivien is Birthing Pod

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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AngryBooch posted:



Turning your opponents draws into impulses is amusing to me

This seem like a pretty good standard card.

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

Ob's +1 adds up quick when there's two (or more!) of them.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Strong Sauce posted:

hideaway back.



Does hideaway nolonger also mean "Etb tapped?"

resistentialism
Aug 13, 2007

AngryBooch posted:



Turning your opponents draws into impulses is amusing to me

wobbly lock with drannith magistrate

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

I really like that Ob.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

fadam posted:

I really like that Ob.

Any more expensive and he'd be kinda garbo but 3 mana for potentially double PW is cool

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

Pablo Nergigante posted:

*Zendaya is Meechee voice* Vivien is Birthing Pod



6 mana feels like a lot for this, but it also seems too strong at 5 mana so maybe.

uggy
Aug 6, 2006

Posting is SERIOUS BUSINESS
and I am completely joyless

Don't make me judge you
Ob seems incredibly good I don’t think it can be underestimated how annoying it’ll be to have two planeswalkers on the battlefield to deal with on turn 3

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Hey wait, it doesn't enter the battlefield tapped?

The same keyword doing different things on different card types smdh.

HootTheOwl posted:

Does hideaway nolonger also mean "Etb tapped?"
RULES UPDATE!

quote:

Hideaway has received a small update since it last appeared. Hideaway is an enters-the-battlefield triggered ability. When a creature with hideaway N enters the battlefield, look at the top N cards of your library, exile one of them face down, then put the rest on the bottom of your library.

Hideaway used to inherently mean four cards, but now it can be any number (especially five!), and that number will appear after the word "hideaway." Also, hideaway used to inherently mean the permanent with hideaway entered the battlefield tapped, but this is no longer true. Previous cards with hideaway now have "[This permanent] enters the battlefield tapped" as a separate ability.

Permanents with hideaway will have another ability that lets you play the exiled card without paying its mana cost under certain conditions.

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