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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:I remember polling done a few months after the 2020 BLM protests showing most black Americans preferred the same level of policing with the the rest being split between more and less. The discourse on SA on the time would have had you believe it was overwhelming defund and reduce the police, there really seems to be a huge disconnect on what black Americans want vs leftists think is best w/r/t to police and crime Iirc black polling has bands of opinion that break along age lines, with younger black people who are more likely to be targets of police harassment and violence being more likely to support reduced policing Which makes sense since greater policing is objectively more of a threat to their personal well-being Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
Does it have to be an aggressive dog, or is it just as effective to have a total cuddlepuppy who will let you walk off with the silver if you rub his belly as long as his bark sounds fearsome enough to deter burglars from getting close enough to find out
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Nucleic Acids posted:So it turns out people stop liking you when you say you’re going to help them and then let the help just dry up. Huh. Trump was not into putting effort into anything, especially while he was president, but as much as he could, he REALLY wanted to send another round of checks out for Covid relief in September 2020. The GOP congress nixed it because money is for weapons and banker pals, not people. I think it's really safe to say that had those checks gone out, he would have won-re-election. Even a con man knows that you gotta give the rubes -something-, and put your name on it in big freaking letters.
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The easiest way I found not to be burgled is not have anything of worth. Two decades robber free, baby! Or never take down the hurricane boards like I did for a couple years after katrina
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Apr 7, 2022 17:03
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It depends. In cybersecurity they call these deterrent controls. That dog might also be a detective control (barks a lot and wakes the owner) or a preventive control (chases you off), but even just the "I love my Great Dane" sign can discourage casual and opportunistic thieves even if the dog itself is a Scooby Doo toy on the couch. It won't do a thing to someone who really wants to hit your house, but if you just to grab some stuff from an easy target why not check the place with no dog first? Though the "I really want to shoot a prowler!" genre of warning signs might be counterproductive since they suggest that you have firearms which are portable, valuable for illegal resale, and maybe not in a secure safe when you're out of the house.
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Sephyr posted:Trump was not into putting effort into anything, especially while he was president, but as much as he could, he REALLY wanted to send another round of checks out for Covid relief in September 2020. The GOP congress nixed it because money is for weapons and banker pals, not people. it is astonishing to see the collected Smart People In The Room, now safely back in power, proving themselves stupider than Donald Trump that is a high bar to clear
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Though I'm stole from everyday, just not in my home. Just on my paycheck, paying my rent, etc etc
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How are u posted:Ok? That's great, I'm glad you have a secure home. I assume you also welcome all people into society. If / when I own a home I plan to make sure it's secure, too. Probably by just putting a light with a motion sensor up, and/or a fake camera. Right and Willa made a comment on their need to broadcast out to everyone their home is secure which isn't actually part of securing a home. That's the connection you were missing.
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Here's your insane and confusing news story for the day: The DOJ just arrested two men who were engaging in a long and extremely well-funded scheme to bribe Secret Service agents, pretend they were DHS employees, and become friends with Secret Service agents in charge of several different protective duties - including the first lady. They gave over $70,000 worth of gifts and bribes to Secret Service agents and spent almost a year setting this up. They also had illegally snuck in monitoring devices and guns into their D.C. apartment. They were eventually caught by the U.S. Postal Inspection Service in a completely random event where they were investigating an assault on a mail carrier that happened in their apartment building and when they asked around for witnesses the two men gave their fake DHS information. The Post Office eventually discovered that information was fake and turned them in to the FBI. But, despite being very well-funded and these two spending a year of their lives setting this up, the FBI has no idea what they were trying to accomplish. https://twitter.com/DKaplanFox5DC/status/1511823209955479555 quote:US: 2 posed as agents, gave gifts to Secret Service officers https://apnews.com/article/us-secret-service-956062f32e02854112b7c52794d202b2 quote:The DOJ accused two D.C. men on Wednesday of orchestrating an expensive and high-profile scheme to ingratiate themselves with federal agents and members of the White House Secret Service detail, but was short on details about how they executed such a plot — or why they allegedly did it. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/read-two-dc-residents-impersonated-dhs-agents-tried-to-trick-secret-service-feds-say
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Lib and let die posted:It's always fascinating to discuss police issues. I can sit down with my deeply conservative father-in-law and we will agree that cops waste too much time needlessly harassing people over minor traffic violations, controlled substances, and generally making life worse for individuals whenever possible...but then he breaks down into a frothing rage if someone suggests that maybe they don't deserve more funding as a reward for being the pieces of poo poo they are. I feel this. A lot of the "Back the Blue" types I've known since childhood have long been happy to go on with how cops are corrupt bullies that harass people for fun or to meet quotas, act as a revenue generation system rather than law enforcement, etc. And tell stories about how cops made trouble for people, or how cool it was someone else got one over on them, or so on. But you know, that's all good (white) small town folk. We definitely need to fund the hell out of the police to keep us safe from those urban thugs.
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VitalSigns posted:Does it have to be an aggressive dog, or is it just as effective to have a total cuddlepuppy who will let you walk off with the silver if you rub his belly as long as his bark sounds fearsome enough to deter burglars from getting close enough to find out I don't think it needs to be aggressive. The study just says that barking dogs are one of the top 3 reasons a burglar will abort an attempted burglary. Just make sure you get a loud one that goes insane as soon as he hears someone outside.
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VitalSigns posted:Iirc black polling has bands of opinion that break along age lines, with younger black people who are more likely to be targets of police harassment and violence being more likely to support reduced policing That article suggests the latter, but also note that some burglars will instead use the sweet little guy as leverage or just hurt it
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RBA Starblade posted:That article suggests the latter, but also note that some burglars will instead use the sweet little guy as leverage or just hurt it It's also entirely possible that when the murderous, violent enforcers of the criminality of poverty show up in response to your silent alarm system, they'll just shoot your fuckin' dog.
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Apr 7, 2022 17:15
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I don't think it needs to be aggressive. The study just says that barking dogs are one of the top 3 reasons a burglar will abort an attempted burglary. Please Don't. I'm so loving tired of people just letting their dogs bark at everything for no reason all hours of the god damned day or when my kids happen to walk by there fence. On a different track, I read a great article on why CPS needs to be abolished. https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1512101668053299207 As someone that got put through the CPS system as a kid this article brought back some poo poo. Tear that poo poo down.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Please Don't. I'm so loving tired of people just letting their dogs bark at everything for no reason all hours of the god damned day or when my kids happen to walk by there fence. What do you suggest as an alternative? My wife just made a call to DCF the other day about a kid that showed up with bruises, and today the kid showed up with even more bruises. The child is 3 years old, and has a gigantic bruise around one of his eyes, as though he were hit in the face with a leather belt.
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Apr 7, 2022 17:18
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Gumball Gumption posted:Right and Willa made a comment on their need to broadcast out to everyone their home is secure which isn't actually part of securing a home. That's the connection you were missing. As Leon posted, it kind of is, though. I can't quite understand what's upsetting or controversial about publicly displaying that you have home security.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Please Don't. I'm so loving tired of people just letting their dogs bark at everything for no reason all hours of the god damned day or when my kids happen to walk by there fence. CPS needs a huge makeover, but man are there some real use cases for it, granted, they don't tend to get used where they are actually needed (like abusive parents, etc.)
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Lib and let die posted:What do you suggest as an alternative? Social services and intervention for the whole family instead of criminal charges and sending kids to environments where they run the risk of being exposed to even worse abuse would be a start. For that exact example It's the same thing as most other services in the US though, it doesn't fix the problem but there's no other alternatives so what are you going to do? It's all a symptom of an ineffective government.
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Lib and let die posted:What do you suggest as an alternative? Believe me, i was that kid. CPS took me literally out of my mother's arms after she ran away with my sisters and I to a women's shelter, and put me back into the care of my abusive parent. There needs to be social services work, but I promise CPS the way it works now and when I experienced it needs to be abolished.
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Lib and let die posted:What do you suggest as an alternative? The argument of the article is "nothing". The author appears to believe that resolving other sources of inequality will make child abuse not exist. It is...not very persuasive. It's telling that the article puts 1,500 words between where it raises the question of addressing the alternative, and the nonanswer it devotes to answering it. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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I'm going to read the CPS article when I get a chance, but I just want to point out that the popular culture opinion that CPS is constantly taking custody of kids from just a phone call or whatever is incredibly wrong. CPS goes out of its way to an incredible degree (even to the point where many CPS offices are criticized after a kid is killed because they let them stay with their parents after multiple house calls) to keep kids and their parents together - even if their parents are lovely! Even in the rare situations where kids do get taken away, they are almost always placed back with family within two weeks. Getting your kids permanently taken away from family to be placed in foster care is incredibly rare and I would be skeptical of any argument that is based on the idea that millions of kids are being unfairly taken into custody by CPS.
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This argument is very parallel to the abolish the police argument. Nobody is saying ignore child abuse, but using the state violence machine inspired by Kafka is a bad way to go about it.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Believe me, i was that kid. CPS took me literally out of my mother's arms after she ran away with my sisters and I to a women's shelter, and put me back into the care of my abusive parent. That is a pretty common criticism of CPS - that they go very far out of their way to keep kids and family together, even putting them back in abusive situations sometimes - but, that is the opposite of the argument the article is making. They are arguing that too many kids are being taken from their families and put into foster care.
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Very strong vibes of getting all their ideas of CPS from pop culture. Like the other end of copaganda.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I'm going to read the CPS article when I get a chance, but I just want to point out that the popular culture opinion that CPS is constantly taking custody of kids from just a phone call or whatever is incredibly wrong. Yep. This has been going on for 3 days now. Kid showed up with a mark on his face on Tuesday, wife made the call that day, DCF came into the school yesterday, this morning the kid shows up with more bruises, now DCF says they're coming back to the school to do more interviews tomorrow. That gives the abusive parent(s) an entire day to coach responses, lay more hands on the kid, or even abscond the state entirely to go somewhere else and keep hitting their kid.
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How are u posted:What's wrong with having home security? There isn't and its why everyone should have at least one firearm in the house.
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I’ll also throw out CPS and family/dependency courts vary immensely by state and even sometimes by county, it’s way harder to paint with a broad brush than police, I blame it on some areas enabling judges to run the show like their own personal fiefdoms but that’s a personal take
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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:I remember polling done a few months after the 2020 BLM protests showing most black Americans preferred the same level of policing with the the rest being split between more and less. The discourse on SA on the time would have had you believe it was overwhelming defund and reduce the police, there really seems to be a huge disconnect on what black Americans want vs leftists think is best w/r/t to police and crime I mean, both wanting safety & not wanting those in charge of safety to brutalize you isn't a contradiction. "repurpose the police" or "de-nazify the police" would've probably been more efficacious slogans, though.
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Terminal autist posted:There isn't and its why everyone should have at least one firearm in the house. No thanks. I'll stick to a couple of lights with motion sensors, a fake camera or two, and an aluminum baseball bat. No guns will ever enter the house I one day hope to own.
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Lib and let die posted:It's always fascinating to discuss police issues. I can sit down with my deeply conservative father-in-law and we will agree that cops waste too much time needlessly harassing people over minor traffic violations, controlled substances, and generally making life worse for individuals whenever possible...but then he breaks down into a frothing rage if someone suggests that maybe they don't deserve more funding as a reward for being the pieces of poo poo they are. Weird how when political & public discourse is narrowed to "should we give police scads more money or truckloads of money?" most people will agree that police should get more money!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Here's your insane and confusing news story for the day:  quote:Taherzadeh is accused of providing Secret Service officers and agents with rent-free apartments — including a penthouse worth over $40,000 a year — along with iPhones, surveillance systems, a drone, flat screen television, a generator, gun case and other policing tools, according to court documents. lol that the agents are put on leave while the
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Leon, neither of those stories you linked alleges any bribes, only "ingratiating" themselves with officers. Do you have any links that allege bribery, or did you extrapolate that on your own? eta: And yes, I know that impersonating federal agents is a crime.
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How are u posted:What's wrong with having home security? In a vacuum, there is nothing wrong with it. But in the broader picture, the need for home security can't be fully divorced from the (arguably irrational) culture of fear and paranoia that drives the apparent need for home security. And that culture is deeply rooted in racism and the racialized lens through which we view crime, security, and policing. It's one of those, uh, unconscious biases that our society conditions you to hold. You (general you) may not be an active racist yourself, but you're buying into a system that profits off of racist fears. At least that's how I understand it.
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Lib and let die posted:What do you suggest as an alternative? Yeah, California's various CPS agencies are a hot mess that have resulted in the murder of dozens of kids, and that's also happened in a lot of other states. Remember that weirdo Turpin couple who locked up their kids & starved them? The Riverside County CPS placed a few of the kids in a foster home in which they were molested & tortured, which is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Fister Roboto posted:In a vacuum, there is nothing wrong with it. But in the broader picture, the need for home security can't be fully divorced from the (arguably irrational) culture of fear and paranoia that drives the apparent need for home security. And that culture is deeply rooted in racism and the racialized lens through which we view crime, security, and policing. It's one of those, uh, unconscious biases that our society conditions you to hold. You (general you) may not be an active racist yourself, but you're buying into a system that profits off of racist fears. All this is true and it's definitely something to take into account, but at the same time crime does exist and I think taking reasonable steps to make yourself a less appealing target for crime isn't something I'm going to judge anyone for. I feel pretty safe in my neighborhood and we don't really have any sort of home security beyond insurance. It would suck if we were robbed but because my partner is still WFH 3 days a week and I'm still not working, we're home roughly 90% of the time. Which as I understand it is probably the single biggest deterrent to most home property crime. e: Anecdotally but most of the folks I know who have been victims of property crime have been people with shady roommates or houseguests who steal from them, or people that get their cars broken into. In nicer areas nearby I know there's usually a bigger issue because of tempting targets/package theft, but in the 7 years we've lived here we haven't had a single issue. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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How are u posted:As Leon posted, it kind of is, though. I can't quite understand what's upsetting or controversial about publicly displaying that you have home security. Did I say it was "upsetting" or "controversial"? No; I said it makes me laugh, which it does. I sometimes wonder what alchemy is involved between my typing something & the interpretive dances that are posted in response.
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Willa Rogers posted:Yeah, California's various CPS agencies are a hot mess that have resulted in the murder of dozens of kids, and that's also happened in a lot of other states. And let's talk about how they decide who gets to be a foster family, because woo hoy. I have childless friends who are willing to foster, they said they hope to adopt one day Bam. Instant disqualification for being a foster parent. But you don't actually care about the kids and just want a steady paycheck from the government to do poo poo like the above? Hey great, you're perfect, sign here.
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Professor Beetus posted:All this is true and it's definitely something to take into account, but at the same time crime does exist and I think taking reasonable steps to make yourself a less appealing target for crime isn't something I'm going to judge anyone for. I feel pretty safe in my neighborhood and we don't really have any sort of home security beyond insurance. It would suck if we were robbed but because my partner is still WFH 3 days a week and I'm still not working, we're home roughly 90% of the time. Which as I understand it is probably the single biggest deterrent to most home property crime. Oh yeah for sure. It's really frustrating because you can be fully aware of the problem, but you still have to buy into it because of the realities of the situation. I think it's one of those situations where "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" is appropriate. You're not going to stop racism by throwing away your door camera. But some awareness of the issue is also important. But also I think the point of the OP was more to highlight how stupid and often hypocritical those "in this house we believe..." signs are. gently caress those signs. Lemme know when someone makes signs with actual positive actions on them like a liveable minimum wage or slavery reparations, rather than just statements of believe that require zero action. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:"we welcome everyone with open arms" Willa Rogers posted:I mean, both wanting safety & not wanting those in charge of safety to brutalize you isn't a contradiction. Wanting to feel safe in your home and wanting broader social justice and compassion isn't a contradiction either. You can laugh at whatever you want though, that's the beauty of humor being subjective. Fister Roboto posted:Oh yeah for sure. It's really frustrating because you can be fully aware of the problem, but you still have to buy into it because of the realities of the situation. I think it's one of those situations where "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" is appropriate. You're not going to stop racism by throwing away your door camera. But some awareness of the issue is also important. On the one hand, I sympathize with disgust or distaste for performative wokeness that is undercut by actual actions/opinions, like having one of those signs and then say, voting down affordable housing legislation. I just think it's weird to imagine that every single house you see with one of those signs is obviously also a NIMBY rear end in a top hat. There's only one of those signs on our street and the guy that lives there is black. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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Fister Roboto posted:But also I think the point of the OP was more to highlight how stupid and often hypocritical those "in this house we believe..." signs are. gently caress those signs. As somebody whose spent the last decade+ campaigning in all sorts of ways: yard signs can all go to hell. I'd rather 1 person volunteer their time and effort to a cause than 100 people put up a dang sign.
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Willa Rogers posted:Did I say it was "upsetting" or "controversial"? No; I said it makes me laugh, which it does. People are trying to understand what you find funny about it. I have home security, it came with the house we bought. We kept it to use when the kids were little to know when a door or window was opened because the little toddlers were always trying to go outside (it beeps a few times) and hooked it up to our sump pump because the last time it failed it flooded our basement when we were out of town so they call if the power goes out to it, which has saved out butts several times (high water table).
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