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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:Not having an infantry screen to protect your tanks? That's a Javelin' 
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pantslesswithwolves posted:it's not hyperbole to say that their war crimes are fast approaching Nazi levels That is in fact hyperbole to the point of hysteria. The Nazis executed well over 10 million people. I don't think any estimate of Ukrainian civilian/POW deaths even hits 10k. That's three orders of magnitude off.
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hepatizon posted:That is in fact hyperbole to the point of hysteria. The Nazis executed well over 10 million people. I don't think any estimate of Ukrainian civilian/POW deaths even hits 10k. That's three orders of magnitude off. They’re qualitative Nazi war crimes, but given time they might reach quantitative levels.
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Russian animal cruelty and barbarity being described. code:
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Apr 7, 2022 16:38
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I gotta say those Russian conscripts are doing a bad job of making the Russian people seem like someone I should feel bad for. I know war makes people act lovely, but this seems far beyond that, and conscription system makes sure we get what should be a representative sample of the common people of the nation, so its not like here were there is some level of seeking it.
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hepatizon posted:That is in fact hyperbole to the point of hysteria. The Nazis executed well over 10 million people. I don't think any estimate of Ukrainian civilian/POW deaths even hits 10k. That's three orders of magnitude off. I'm sure the survivors in Bucha, Mariupol and Irpin aren't going to make the distinction. We have that insane "denazification" article being run in state-run Russian media which is basically calling for genocide, so I don't think it's a hysteric point to make at all even if they aren't approaching Hitler's high score.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I'm sure the survivors in Bucha, Mariupol and Irpin aren't going to make the distinction. Assuming there will be any.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/scottdetrow/status/1512056787804909569?s=21&t=FiSEec-3b0OUHEsBCpQLHA And the spray painter? The ghost of Kiev.
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hepatizon posted:That is in fact hyperbole to the point of hysteria. The Nazis executed well over 10 million people. I don't think any estimate of Ukrainian civilian/POW deaths even hits 10k. That's three orders of magnitude off. pantslesswithwolves posted:I'm sure the survivors in Bucha, Mariupol and Irpin aren't going to make the distinction. We have that insane "denazification" article being run in state-run Russian media which is basically calling for genocide, so I don't think it's a hysteric point to make at all even if they aren't approaching Hitler's high score. That and with 80 years to develop technology to make the atrocities much more readily known to the world, I don't think you're going to see someone exterminate 10 million people over a short period of time without major consequences. This is probably as extreme as it gets in the 21st century and the analogy fits.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Realistically, who aligns with Russia a year from now? 5 years from now? I realize that's impossible to answer accurately, but the longer this drags on, the more difficult I find it to believe that any countries other than current pariahs (read: North Korea, Syria, Myanmar, etc.) will make that decision. The USSR was able to "provide" for its client states, at least (insofar as clearances, forced starvation, and military intervention can be considered providing for). Russia can't even do any of those things properly.
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CBJSprague24 posted:That and with 80 years to develop technology to make the atrocities much more readily known to the world, I don't think you're going to see someone exterminate 10 million people over a short period of time without major consequences. Depends on what you mean by 'a short time period'... *glances at China*
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psydude posted:The USSR was able to "provide" for its client states, at least (insofar as clearances, forced starvation, and military intervention can be considered providing for). Russia can't even do any of those things properly. Cheap gas and backchannel cash can buy a lot of friends, though.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Realistically, who aligns with Russia a year from now? 5 years from now? I realize that's impossible to answer accurately, but the longer this drags on, the more difficult I find it to believe that any countries other than current pariahs (read: North Korea, Syria, Myanmar, etc.) will make that decision. China is so far waffling but increasingly willing to back Russia. India likewise but I bet if China goes all-in on Russia then they'll realign back to the US. Surprisingly, Vietnam just voted today at the UN against censuring Russia, so they might be part of that too. If Russia ramps the war crimes up even more (they're going to) and/or if they actually use a WMD then we might see some re-realignment, but at the moment it looks like what it comes down to is that some countries see the current US/European-led global systems as worse than letting Russia have free rein in Ukraine and this is one of the turnpoints in history where they have to pick one or the other. I think if the war just kind of peters out and Putin stays in power, in a couple of years China will be the shot-caller of the bloc that comes out of this that includes Russia and some other countries.
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Loezi posted:These look rather low-cut, but rubber high-boots are a godsend in marshy terrain, slush, etc. Hard disagree, good drainage is key in marsh/swamp/North Carolina draws.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Keep seeing stories about Putin's daughters being sanctioned but I never get past the hairlines. I wanted to give his eldest the benefit of the doubt but it turns out her main job for Daddy is figuring out how to use CRISPR to make Gattaca babies.
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RFC2324 posted:I gotta say those Russian conscripts are doing a bad job of making the Russian people seem like someone I should feel bad for. Not in russia. Russia has selective conscription system and since nobody wants in (the benefits Arent like in the US Army, and hazing and abuse is horrible) the conscription In russia is WAY overrepresenting the poorest and least educated who have least chances to wiggle themselves out of it. Think all the hyperboles How in the US only Poor go to Army to get a chance at college and healthcare and multiply it by a order of magnitude.
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Valtonen posted:Not in russia. Russia has selective conscription system and since nobody wants in (the benefits Arent like in the US Army, and hazing and abuse is horrible) the conscription In russia is WAY overrepresenting the poorest and least educated who have least chances to wiggle themselves out of it. So basically a US prison mixed with Lord of the Flies.
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hepatizon posted:That is in fact hyperbole to the point of hysteria. The Nazis executed well over 10 million people. I don't think any estimate of Ukrainian civilian/POW deaths even hits 10k. That's three orders of magnitude off. They didn't do it all at once. And there were quite a number of mass executions following behind the military advance.
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:So basically a US prison mixed with Lord of the Flies. And then give them access to RPGs and machine guns
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:So basically a US prison mixed with Lord of the Flies. That's how I used to describe the experience at schools like the one in Lords of Discipline, except in this case it's not an exaggeration and much more fitting.
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I'm reminded of a fact that back during World War II, German troops would typically refrain from firing at American spotting aircraft for fear of revealing their positions and having artillery come down on them. Everything old is new again.
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M_Gargantua posted:https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1512134917433569280?t=zadnnC3ClttpIwtnxJLCpg&s=19 See, in a normal world I would feel bad for that poor slob who got most likely drafted into the army and was scared enough to lead a drone back to his own line. But then I remember the 3 year old kids and lose any pity for Ivan.
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hepatizon posted:That is in fact hyperbole to the point of hysteria. The Nazis executed well over 10 million people. I don't think any estimate of Ukrainian civilian/POW deaths even hits 10k. That's three orders of magnitude off. ukrainian civilian death estimates are far above 10k. Closer to 100k if anything
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hepatizon posted:That is in fact hyperbole to the point of hysteria. The Nazis executed well over 10 million people. I don't think any estimate of Ukrainian civilian/POW deaths even hits 10k. That's three orders of magnitude off. You don't have to beat the Nazis high score to be considered a genocidal attempt at outright warcrimes, but I do love that Russia full on brought mobile crematoriums in a very  moment.Its safe to say at this point that mass war crimes were entirely part of the plan and it very much mirrors what the Nazis did to multiple nations, but especially the Ukrainians, Poles, and Russians. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:You don't have to beat the Nazis high score to be considered a genocidal attempt at outright warcrimes, but I do love that Russia full on brought mobile crematoriums in a very Even the existence of the mobile crematoriums imply that they thought corpses belonging to someone would be in such great supply that they’d need a mobile way of dealing with them. They weren’t expecting heavy fighting either, and those two observations put together go straight into  territory.
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I just encountered a fresh new tankiesplain of Lend Lease. It goes something like: 'Actually, lend/lease was used to mine gold and save the US from the great Depression. '
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A.o.D. posted:I just encountered a fresh new tankiesplain of Lend Lease. It goes something like: 'Actually, lend/lease was used to mine gold and save the US from the great Depression. ' It took the United Kingdom 61 years (2006) to pay off Lend Lease from WW2, it's a loan... not free goods.
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A.o.D. posted:I just encountered a fresh new tankiesplain of Lend Lease. It goes something like: 'Actually, lend/lease was used to mine gold and save the US from the great Depression. ' Are their positions just madlibs now?
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Remember weeks ago when the soldiers were trapped in an elevator? Some people were saying they hoped they were given a chance to surrender. Turns out those soldiers used everyone in the building as human shields. Now after what came out this week I feel no pity for that guy and hope this guy and his mates died screaming.
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If nothing else it displays a lack of understanding of the timelines of the Great Depression and Lend/Lease.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Even the existence of the mobile crematoriums imply that they thought corpses belonging to someone would be in such great supply that they’d need a mobile way of dealing with them. That crematorium needs to be taken out to preserve war crime evidence.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Even the existence of the mobile crematoriums imply that they thought corpses belonging to someone would be in such great supply that they’d need a mobile way of dealing with them. And given that they did not foresee a long, drawn out engagement, they fully expected those corpses to NOT be Russian.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:ukrainian civilian death estimates are far above 10k. Closer to 100k if anything Where are you getting that number? I'm not doubting you, I just haven't seen an educated guess in awhile.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Where are you getting that number? I'm not doubting you, I just haven't seen an educated guess in awhile. I saw this earlier, nothing on the other 5k mentioned, but we can extrapolate a bit. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1512137198384123910
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psydude posted:Catalan secessionists are another really special bunch for similar reasons. I met a couple while visiting my aunt in SW France and they gave off a strong SovCit vibe. In what way? Also, were they from French Catalonia or Spanish (heh) Catalonia? My extended family is all pro independence and, yeah, as a movement they're super naive as to how the real world works, but they're not at all about SovCit. Also one of the politicians that ended up in prison got shredded on BBC's HARDTalk, it was hilarious. He waltzed in thinking the interviewer would be kind and a captive audience and that about sums up the political ken of the leadership. Also hilarious (in a sad way) was the Spanish police officers that trashed a bar in 2017 because the waiters were speaking Catalan. Except they were Italian and speaking Italian. And the police then accused the bar of stealing their phones. And one of them was in command of 250 anti riot officers.
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